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NRA ok with More restrictions

they apparently are in appeasement mode. as I said, my biggest problem with the NRA is that they are weak sometimes. they should demand an end to the Hughes amendment as a trade
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Over 500 people shot in one setting and it's about the Hughes Amendment.

That right there says why the 2nd amendment needs to be looked at very closely.
 
jet57 said:
Uh, no; it just means that the NRA lawyers want the NRA to be politically correct on this one. How long has that cap been available and where was the NRA then?

Pulleeease
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Are you against tougher bump stock restrictions? Or do you agree with the NRA that tougher restrictions are needed?
 
MaggieD said:
I sure agree with this. Illinois permits accepted in almost all states. IL accepts no one’s.
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Sounds like OR. Since the NRA is caving in on the bump stock,(they are a waste) point is they will cave on national reciprocity and the hearing protection bill no doubt.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
First two posts in this thread are that the Democrats lie about the NRA, and that the NRA is hypocritical sometimes. Not that banning the bump stocks would be good. Not even any reasons why banning bump stocks is bad or infringes on your rights. :roll:
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Because one good ban will get another and then another. Bump stocks were deemed legal by the ATF,now they are on the path to being illegal. Anyone remember the stink over the dreaded M885 AP ammo (aka green tip)?OK the ATF gave it up and deemed it legal. So will they go after it again(politicians).Not a fan of bump fire but we give in whats next.
 
zsu2357 said:
Sounds like OR. Since the NRA is caving in on the bump stock,(they are a waste) point is they will cave on national reciprocity and the hearing protection bill no doubt.
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I don’t know. But I do know that many major cities have sensitive speakers planted all over the place to alert them to gun shots. So silencers would negatively effect those in the inner city. I also know I personally have no problem wearing earmuffs. Mine are covered in rhinestone. ;)

This photo doesn’t show mine, but I have no problems with them as a fashion accessory. Mine are clear sparkles. But that’s the ladies for ya.

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NeverTrumpGOP said:
The guns in Las Vegas weren't "misused," and the shooter was hardly an honest person. People like him are a good reason to re-think the second amendment and it looks like the NRA agrees with me!
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Good God, how many other rights are you so easily willing to throw away for another's mis-use?
 
MACS-24 said:
Good God, how many other rights are you so easily willing to throw away for another's mis-use?
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He didn't misuse anything, in fact it seems like he thought long and hard about how to use them to kill people.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Gun laws are stupid is not a valid argument for why we shouldn't ban bump stocks.
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Have you given a valid reason why they should be banned? Yeah I know what happened in Vegas, the same thing that would have happened without the bump stocks using semi auto in the conventional way. May have been worse since his shots would have been aimed and not sprayed.
 
zsu2357 said:
Have you given a valid reason why they should be banned? Yeah I know what happened in Vegas, the same thing that would have happened without the bump stocks using semi auto in the conventional way. May have been worse since his shots would have been aimed and not sprayed.
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“The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” the NRA said that, and I quite agree with it.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
He didn't misuse anything, in fact it seems like he thought long and hard about how to use them to kill people.
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Appologies, I just saw that I read your post wrong. Somehow I missed the "not" part of weren't
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
“The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” the NRA said that, and I quite agree with it.
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but its idiotic because the bump fire doesn't allow semi automatic weapons function like fully automatic weapons

I suspect if I go back and read a bunch of NRA magazines, I doubt I will find bump fire advertisements
 
TurtleDude said:
but its idiotic because the bump fire doesn't allow semi automatic weapons function like fully automatic weapons

I suspect if I go back and read a bunch of NRA magazines, I doubt I will find bump fire advertisements
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OK I bow down to your superior intellect! You know everything about guns, even more than the NRA. :lamo

Are you serious?? You can't make blanket claims and state them as fact. I believe the NRA way more than some guy who uses guns a lot (you).
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
The guns in Las Vegas weren't "misused," and the shooter was hardly an honest person. People like him are a good reason to re-think the second amendment and it looks like the NRA agrees with me!
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we will see but that first line is so stupid I doubt anyone will agree with you.

its fun watching you try to justify being both a gun banner and a "GOP" member
 
jet57 said:
Over 500 people shot in one setting and it's about the Hughes Amendment.

That right there says why the 2nd amendment needs to be looked at very closely.
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why didn't you honestly quote me so I could see you did, or are you afraid that someone will note that you were trying to ignore the poster you quoted?
 
TurtleDude said:
we will see but that first line is so stupid I doubt anyone will agree with you.

its fun watching you try to justify being both a gun banner and a "GOP" member
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I have never advocated for that, more lies from the man who claims he knows more about guns than the NRA.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
OK I bow down to your superior intellect! You know everything about guns, even more than the NRA. :lamo

Are you serious?? You can't make blanket claims and state them as fact. I believe the NRA way more than some guy who uses guns a lot (you).
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LOL, most of us long time NRA members are laughing about that because the political spokespeople aren't exactly technical experts. If you ever run into Alan Gottlieb ask him about that. None of those people were federal prosecutors who were dealing with federal firearms laws. now why don't you tell ME how the bump fire ALTERS the mechanism of the firearm. I need a good laugh because its obvious you haven't a clue
 
MACS-24 said:
Good God, how many other rights are you so easily willing to throw away for another's mis-use?
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He's a big government liberal. end of story. to him murdering people is a proper use of a firearm.
 
TurtleDude said:
LOL, most of us long time NRA members are laughing about that because the political spokespeople aren't exactly technical experts. If you ever run into Alan Gottlieb ask him about that. None of those people were federal prosecutors who were dealing with federal firearms laws. now why don't you tell ME how the bump fire ALTERS the mechanism of the firearm. I need a good laugh because its obvious you haven't a clue
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You calling everybody stupid, isn't reassuring that you know more about guns than the NRA. If they feel they need to re-look at bump stock legislation. They should. It in no way infringes on your rights to have a gun. It appears to me more or less not that different from modifying certain things on your car that you can't modify.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I have never advocated for that, more lies from the man who claims he knows more about guns than the NRA.
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how does the NRA know about guns? the NRA is an organization made up of people. it depends which person you are talking about. and yes, I know far more than most of the political leaders of the NRA. most of them are not attorneys who have dealt with the federal laws on machine guns as I have nor are most of them world class shooters either. Wayne LaPierre is a spokesperson: not a very good one in my opinion. but he's what we've got.

but lets not play stupid games of which unnamed representative of the NRA knows this or that. I want you to tell me why the bump fire stock CHANGES the mechanism of the semi auto firearm.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You calling everybody stupid, isn't reassuring that you know more about guns than the NRA. If they feel they need to re-look at bump stock legislation. They should. It in no way infringes on your rights to have a gun. It appears to me more or less not that different from modifying certain things on your car that you can't modify.
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Could Obama's ATF prevented sales of bump stocks? - CNNPolitics


but because a bump stock is not a firearm, the ATF classified it as firearm part -- so the ATF wrote in a letter that it approved it because it doesn't have any real jurisdiction over firearm parts.
"We find that the bump stock is a firearm part and is not regulated as a firearm under Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act," ATF said in a letter at the time.
Bump stocks allow semi-automatic weapons to simulate automatic fire but "do not actually alter the firearm to fire automatically, making them legal under current federal law," Snyder said.
 
As far as I'm concerned a bump stock should be in the same category as any fully automatic firearm and subject to the same regulations. No more, no less. If it is illegal to possess a full-auto, why should it be any different to possess a semi-auto fitted with a bump stock that makes it... full-auto?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
The guns in Las Vegas weren't "misused," and the shooter was hardly an honest person. People like him are a good reason to re-think the second amendment and it looks like the NRA agrees with me!
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I don't always agree with the NRA,but what makes you think they they are rethinking the Second Amendment? Agree with you? I doubt it.
 
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