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Real talk on solutions to mass shooting

Phys251

Phys251

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Another day in America, another mass shooting. This one got more attention because of the high death toll, but the fact is, mass shootings have become more common in the US.

This is not a problem that most other developed nations choose to struggle with. Yes, choose. We collectively choose not to address this problem. And when our politicians are asked to do something, anything, this is how some of them reply:

"I think it’s particularly inappropriate to politicize an event like this, it just happened in the last day-and-a-half. It’s entirely premature to be discussing legislative solutions, if any." --Mitch McConnell, R-KY

"I don’t think this is a problem a law is going to fix by itself." --Lindsey Graham, R-SC

"I don’t know if legislation can [prevent mass shootings]." --Richard Shelby, R-AL

"[Y]ou never accept the fact that you can [prevent mass shootings]. ... [Y]ou should never accept the fact that you can do it." --Johnny Isakson, R-GA

"As somebody said: get small." --John Thune, R-SD

Get small? Are you ****ing kidding me, Mr. Thune? And go screw yourself and your fatalistic attitude, Mr. Isakson. Great American spirit you have there, that we're just gonna throw in the towel. :roll:

Very simply, I want to say this: If we assume for the sake of argument that stricter gun laws are not acceptable, then inaction on mass shootings is equally unacceptable. It is no longer acceptable to bury our collective heads in the sand and claim that we can do nothing, or that we all need to "get small."

So, to those who fiercely oppose gun control, I want to know specific laws that can be put into place to prevent these kinds of tragedies in the future. Inaction is no longer acceptable.
 
Addressing the lack of adequate mental health care systems in the nation is the single biggest one.
 
Phys251 said:
Another day in America, another mass shooting. This one got more attention because of the high death toll, but the fact is, mass shootings have become more common in the US.

This is not a problem that most other developed nations choose to struggle with. Yes, choose. We collectively choose not to address this problem. And when our politicians are asked to do something, anything, this is how some of them reply:

"I think it’s particularly inappropriate to politicize an event like this, it just happened in the last day-and-a-half. It’s entirely premature to be discussing legislative solutions, if any." --Mitch McConnell, R-KY

"I don’t think this is a problem a law is going to fix by itself." --Lindsey Graham, R-SC

"I don’t know if legislation can [prevent mass shootings]." --Richard Shelby, R-AL

"[Y]ou never accept the fact that you can [prevent mass shootings]. ... [Y]ou should never accept the fact that you can do it." --Johnny Isakson, R-GA

"As somebody said: get small." --John Thune, R-SD

Get small? Are you ****ing kidding me, Mr. Thune? And go screw yourself and your fatalistic attitude, Mr. Isakson. Great American spirit you have there, that we're just gonna throw in the towel. :roll:

Very simply, I want to say this: If we assume for the sake of argument that stricter gun laws are not acceptable, then inaction on mass shootings is equally unacceptable. It is no longer acceptable to bury our collective heads in the sand and claim that we can do nothing, or that we all need to "get small."

So, to those who fiercely oppose gun control, I want to know specific laws that can be put into place to prevent these kinds of tragedies in the future. Inaction is no longer acceptable.
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Any solution would have to be 100% effective. Otherwise, the anti's will say " I want to know specific laws that can be put into place to prevent these kinds of tragedies in the future. Inaction is no longer acceptable."
 
The 1a makes it controversial, but the way we allow various extremist and terror-associated orgs to operate pretty freely in the country, and radicalize people, is another potential consideration.


Have to tread carefully to address this one without violating the First.
 
Laws? Why does it have to be about laws? That is the inaction. Lazy and cowardice.
 
MACS-24 said:
Laws? Why does it have to be about laws? That is the inaction. Lazy and cowardice.
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So can I chalk you up as one who wants to throw in the towel legislatively?
 
Rucker61 said:
It might not be the only problem, but it's been part of the problem.
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Did you even read those articles? I don't think you did. I invite you to go back and read them.
 
Phys251 said:
Another day in America, another mass shooting. This one got more attention because of the high death toll, but the fact is, mass shootings have become more common in the US.

This is not a problem that most other developed nations choose to struggle with. Yes, choose. We collectively choose not to address this problem. And when our politicians are asked to do something, anything, this is how some of them reply:

"I think it’s particularly inappropriate to politicize an event like this, it just happened in the last day-and-a-half. It’s entirely premature to be discussing legislative solutions, if any." --Mitch McConnell, R-KY

"I don’t think this is a problem a law is going to fix by itself." --Lindsey Graham, R-SC

"I don’t know if legislation can [prevent mass shootings]." --Richard Shelby, R-AL

"[Y]ou never accept the fact that you can [prevent mass shootings]. ... [Y]ou should never accept the fact that you can do it." --Johnny Isakson, R-GA

"As somebody said: get small." --John Thune, R-SD

Get small? Are you ****ing kidding me, Mr. Thune? And go screw yourself and your fatalistic attitude, Mr. Isakson. Great American spirit you have there, that we're just gonna throw in the towel. :roll:

Very simply, I want to say this: If we assume for the sake of argument that stricter gun laws are not acceptable, then inaction on mass shootings is equally unacceptable. It is no longer acceptable to bury our collective heads in the sand and claim that we can do nothing, or that we all need to "get small."

So, to those who fiercely oppose gun control, I want to know specific laws that can be put into place to prevent these kinds of tragedies in the future. Inaction is no longer acceptable.
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What you apparently don't understand is, inaction is perfectly acceptable to more than a few including myself. Its simple, the most dangerous weapon in the world is a pissed off hairless monkey, there is very little you can do to stop one that is determined. You take away all the guns and knives and cars and they will still find a way. Fortunately statistically speaking they are rare and far between. So doing nothing legally speaking is best. Personally speaking have a good amount of training in unarmed and armed combat is an excellent way to increase YOUR odds of survival should you have the bad luck to be around a pissed off hairless monkey bent on destruction.
 
Phys251 said:
Did you even read those articles? I don't think you did. I invite you to go back and read them.
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The number of homeless is another indicator of sub par mental health infrastructure.
 
Phys251 said:
I wish that would work, but:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/toddessig/2014/06/28/the-myth-of-mental-illness-and-gun-violence/
https://gumc.georgetown.edu/news/Debunking-Myths-about-Gun-Violence-and-Mental-Health

Mental health isn't the problem.
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No, those articles say it isn't the ONLY problem. We knew that.

They claim 3-5% of shootings involve mental illness. Well yeah.... probably the random mass murder part.


It is still worth addressing, especially if you're talking about addressing random mass murders like Vegas.
 
The Elite in Washington could set a good example on working together and not vilifying others.









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Phys251 said:
Did you even read those articles? I don't think you did. I invite you to go back and read them.
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Yes, twice. There's not a damn thing in either one that claims that no mass killer was mentally ill.
 
There is a certain type of person who thinks some heretofore untried set of laws will solve every problem, and that we have only to find them and pass them, and POOF! Trouble prevented.

So convinced are they that they think the absence of legislation is "doing nothing."

This isn't a legislative problem. This is a societal problem. A societal sickness problem. Something like that can't be cured by passing laws.
 
Harshaw said:
There is a certain type of person who thinks some heretofore untried set of laws will solve every problem, and that we have only to find them and pass them, and POOF! Trouble prevented.

So convinced are they that they think the absence of legislation is "doing nothing."

This isn't a legislative problem. This is a societal problem. A societal sickness problem. Something like that can't be cured by passing laws.
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Well if we only would beat those who dont comply with orders from the top hard enough...

"HIT EM HARDER!!, UTOPIA CALLS!!, SUCCESS IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER!!!
 
Phys251 said:
So can I chalk you up as one who wants to throw in the towel legislatively?
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Legislatively, yes. It has failed everytime. If people want to get serious then it's time to stop accepting the ridiculous charades of "mag limits", "assault rifle" bans, UBC, "weapons of war" etc. Practically every time this stuff happens the first thing they always want to "fix" had nothing to do with the incident. It's gaurenteed to fail but it sure makes the intellectual lazy voter feel good.
 
Harshaw said:
There is a certain type of person who thinks some heretofore untried set of laws will solve every problem, and that we have only to find them and pass them, and POOF! Trouble prevented.

So convinced are they that they think the absence of legislation is "doing nothing."

This isn't a legislative problem. This is a societal problem. A societal sickness problem. Something like that can't be cured by passing laws.
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Its NOT a societal problem. Its a natural problem. Its a numbers problem. Its not preventable in a way that doesn't severely restrict everyone's freedoms. This "problem" are simply cases of random chance and anarchy.
 
PirateMk1 said:
What you apparently don't understand is, inaction is perfectly acceptable to more than a few including myself. Its simple, the most dangerous weapon in the world is a pissed off hairless monkey, there is very little you can do to stop one that is determined. You take away all the guns and knives and cars and they will still find a way. Fortunately statistically speaking they are rare and far between. So doing nothing legally speaking is best.
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Go tell the families of 58 slain innocent people that "doing nothing...is best." Your words, not mine.

Pirate, that's not acceptable.

Personally speaking have a good amount of training in unarmed and armed combat is an excellent way to increase YOUR odds of survival should you have the bad luck to be around a pissed off hairless monkey bent on destruction.
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Unh-huh. Tell me, Pirate, had you been unfortunate enough to have been at this outdoor concert in Vegas, do you think you would have had any chance of hitting a distant shooter in a 32nd-story hotel room, in a chaotic situation like the one they were experiencing?
 
Phys251 said:
Another day in America, another mass shooting. This one got more attention because of the high death toll, but the fact is, mass shootings have become more common in the US.

This is not a problem that most other developed nations choose to struggle with. Yes, choose. We collectively choose not to address this problem. And when our politicians are asked to do something, anything, this is how some of them reply:

"I think it’s particularly inappropriate to politicize an event like this, it just happened in the last day-and-a-half. It’s entirely premature to be discussing legislative solutions, if any." --Mitch McConnell, R-KY

"I don’t think this is a problem a law is going to fix by itself." --Lindsey Graham, R-SC

"I don’t know if legislation can [prevent mass shootings]." --Richard Shelby, R-AL

"[Y]ou never accept the fact that you can [prevent mass shootings]. ... [Y]ou should never accept the fact that you can do it." --Johnny Isakson, R-GA

"As somebody said: get small." --John Thune, R-SD

Get small? Are you ****ing kidding me, Mr. Thune? And go screw yourself and your fatalistic attitude, Mr. Isakson. Great American spirit you have there, that we're just gonna throw in the towel. :roll:

Very simply, I want to say this: If we assume for the sake of argument that stricter gun laws are not acceptable, then inaction on mass shootings is equally unacceptable. It is no longer acceptable to bury our collective heads in the sand and claim that we can do nothing, or that we all need to "get small."

So, to those who fiercely oppose gun control, I want to know specific laws that can be put into place to prevent these kinds of tragedies in the future. Inaction is no longer acceptable.
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Why is this particular form of crime special? The answer to that question is critical to any honest further discussion.
 
Phys251 said:
Another day in America, another mass shooting. This one got more attention because of the high death toll, but the fact is, mass shootings have become more common in the US.

This is not a problem that most other developed nations choose to struggle with. Yes, choose. We collectively choose not to address this problem. And when our politicians are asked to do something, anything, this is how some of them reply:

"I think it’s particularly inappropriate to politicize an event like this, it just happened in the last day-and-a-half. It’s entirely premature to be discussing legislative solutions, if any." --Mitch McConnell, R-KY

"I don’t think this is a problem a law is going to fix by itself." --Lindsey Graham, R-SC

"I don’t know if legislation can [prevent mass shootings]." --Richard Shelby, R-AL

"[Y]ou never accept the fact that you can [prevent mass shootings]. ... [Y]ou should never accept the fact that you can do it." --Johnny Isakson, R-GA

"As somebody said: get small." --John Thune, R-SD

Get small? Are you ****ing kidding me, Mr. Thune? And go screw yourself and your fatalistic attitude, Mr. Isakson. Great American spirit you have there, that we're just gonna throw in the towel. :roll:

Very simply, I want to say this: If we assume for the sake of argument that stricter gun laws are not acceptable, then inaction on mass shootings is equally unacceptable. It is no longer acceptable to bury our collective heads in the sand and claim that we can do nothing, or that we all need to "get small."

So, to those who fiercely oppose gun control, I want to know specific laws that can be put into place to prevent these kinds of tragedies in the future. Inaction is no longer acceptable.
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No problem.

If you want to prevent mass shootings the first thing you need to do is build a whole mess of safe facilities. These facilities should be have all access points tightly controlled with metal detectors and physical searches of anyone entering and anything brought in. Once people are inside the facility they should be separated into individual housing units and their movements should be tightly regulated. Only certain groups should be allowed to move at any given time and routine checks should be made to insure that nobody went anywhere when they weren't supposed to. While that may seem rather harsh we could compensate the people by providing free medical care and free meals. Taking these steps would pretty much guarantee that firearms could not get into the facility and everyone would be able to live their dream life perfectly free from fear, suffering or need.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Why is this particular form of crime special? The answer to that question is critical to any honest further discussion.
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And why doesn't anyone hardly ever care that more people die almost every month from violence in Chicago.
 
Rucker61 said:
Yes, twice. There's not a damn thing in either one that claims that no mass killer was mentally ill.
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No, that's not what the articles were claiming. Instead, they very clearly spelled out a case that mental illness is not a significant contributing factor for mass shootings.
 
I would like to see harsher penalties, and actual ENFORCEMENT of those laws.......you simply cannot make be believe the gun control politicians are serious about "common sense" gun control when those cities with strict gun control are playing catch and release with weapons violators.

You wont slam the criminals with the hardest possible sentences, yet you DO want to make it more difficult for the law abiding to own firearms.

Someone explain that logic?

No, I do not believe the politicians shoving more gun control laws into the sidewalk really give a rats backside about public safety, yet are the first ones to scream 'If we can save just one childs life" to promote those new restrictions.....and when we balk at those restrictions, they are just as quick to scream "Why do you like seeing children killed?"

Really?

All those folks that oppose "three strike" laws as being 'arbitrary" and unduly affecting minorities........how do you feel about a two strike law for weapons violators? felons with firearms, use of firearms in commission of crimes, straw purchase and sales?

laws have never been a barrier to criminals getting weapons......so, make those crimes more painful....no more early release for good behavior, over crowded jails, etc.

Stop legislating, and start enforcing.
 
Goshin said:
And why doesn't anyone hardly ever care that more people die almost every month from violence in Chicago.
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Because these SJWs won't ever be on the south side of Chicago.
 
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