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Real talk on solutions to mass shooting

Lutherf said:
No problem.

If you want to prevent mass shootings the first thing you need to do is build a whole mess of safe facilities. These facilities should be have all access points tightly controlled with metal detectors and physical searches of anyone entering and anything brought in. Once people are inside the facility they should be separated into individual housing units and their movements should be tightly regulated. Only certain groups should be allowed to move at any given time and routine checks should be made to insure that nobody went anywhere when they weren't supposed to. While that may seem rather harsh we could compensate the people by providing free medical care and free meals. Taking these steps would pretty much guarantee that firearms could not get into the facility and everyone would be able to live their dream life perfectly free from fear, suffering or need.
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Somewhere in this response is the first concrete, productive idea of this thread. I would not be surprise if Paradise, Nevada mandated security checkpoints in all their hotels. Sad, but this is the world we live in now.
 
Lutherf said:
No problem.

If you want to prevent mass shootings the first thing you need to do is build a whole mess of safe facilities. These facilities should be have all access points tightly controlled with metal detectors and physical searches of anyone entering and anything brought in. Once people are inside the facility they should be separated into individual housing units and their movements should be tightly regulated. Only certain groups should be allowed to move at any given time and routine checks should be made to insure that nobody went anywhere when they weren't supposed to. While that may seem rather harsh we could compensate the people by providing free medical care and free meals. Taking these steps would pretty much guarantee that firearms could not get into the facility and everyone would be able to live their dream life perfectly free from fear, suffering or need.
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The NAZI's claimed to be very good at eliminating crime, jsyk.
 
Lutherf said:
No problem.

If you want to prevent mass shootings the first thing you need to do is build a whole mess of safe facilities. These facilities should be have all access points tightly controlled with metal detectors and physical searches of anyone entering and anything brought in. Once people are inside the facility they should be separated into individual housing units and their movements should be tightly regulated. Only certain groups should be allowed to move at any given time and routine checks should be made to insure that nobody went anywhere when they weren't supposed to. While that may seem rather harsh we could compensate the people by providing free medical care and free meals. Taking these steps would pretty much guarantee that firearms could not get into the facility and everyone would be able to live their dream life perfectly free from fear, suffering or need.
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The **** if I'd ever pay good money to be treated that way.
 
Phys251 said:
No, that's not what the articles were claiming. Instead, they very clearly spelled out a case that mental illness is not a significant contributing factor for mass shootings.
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They talk about mass shootings at the beginning, but the meat of the articles talks about mental illness and gun violence, nit limited to mass shhotings. Was the Sandy Hook shooter mentally ill? The VT shooter? The Aurora shooter?
 
Phys251 said:
Somewhere in this response is the first concrete, productive idea of this thread. I would not be surprise if Paradise, Nevada mandated security checkpoints in all their hotels. Sad, but this is the world we live in now.
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The young have been taught to crave security, to trade just about everything (Or more, who can say?) for shoddy promises of security.

They aint too bright, and it is a real question as to who done it and why.
 
Phys251 said:
Somewhere in this response is the first concrete, productive idea of this thread. I would not be surprise if Paradise, Nevada mandated security checkpoints in all their hotels. Sad, but this is the world we live in now.
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Yeah that's my ideal vacation - Let's go to prison. Would we need chaperons to take us outside the buildings?
 
Goshin said:
And why doesn't anyone hardly ever care that more people die almost every month from violence in Chicago.
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That is precisely my point. The key factors, according to the first OP link are the number of deaths/injuries in a single criminal event and due to the use of a gun. In other words, is killing 16 with a car is deemed less serious (bad?) than injuring 4 with a gun? The former is not a mass shooting while the latter is.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is precisely my point. The key factors, according to the first OP link are the number of deaths/injuries in a single criminal event and due to the use of a gun. In other words, is killing 16 with a car is deemed less serious (bad?) than injuring 4 with a gun? The former is not a mass shooting while the latter is.
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Those whose focus is anti-GUN rather than anti-violence give themselves away by focusing on guns and excluding other means of murder.
 
MACS-24 said:
Yeah that's my ideal vacation - Let's go to prison. Would we need chaperons to take us outside the buildings?
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That's what we have done though, we have invited the jailers to apply the irons,,,,we need it, we crave it, we cant live without it.
 
Goshin said:
The **** if I'd ever pay good money to be treated that way.
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But...you'd be safe! Everything would be taken care of for you and you wouldn't need to worry about anything.

Geez...some people are just never happy.;)
 
Lutherf said:
But...you'd be safe! Everything would be taken care of for you and you wouldn't need to worry about anything.

Geez...some people are just never happy.;)
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How's the wifi?
 
Goshin said:
Those whose focus is anti-GUN rather than anti-violence give themselves away by focusing on guns and excluding other means of murder.
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And cheering on Politically correct Hollywood as they crank out the glorification of violence, as well as other broad assaults upon the collective.
 
Phys251 said:
Go tell the families of 58 slain innocent people that "doing nothing...is best." Your words, not mine.

Pirate, that's not acceptable.



Unh-huh. Tell me, Pirate, had you been unfortunate enough to have been at this outdoor concert in Vegas, do you think you would have had any chance of hitting a distant shooter in a 32nd-story hotel room, in a chaotic situation like the one they were experiencing?
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To the second point first. It would depend on where I was and what the situation was. IDK to be honest until I am there. I digress to the main point though. Combat training isn't about doing this that or the other in a given situation its about learning how to keep your wits about you in extremely stressful situations, not panicking and thinking the situation through as best you can. I insist everyone in my family have some form of it, including the children. Its one of THE most useful skills I know to have. Nobody truly knows how they are going to react in a genuine circumstance but being training helps tremendously.

To your first point. I disagree it quite acceptable to do nothing and would tell the 58 slain just that. Further I would go so far as to say they should they go so far as to attempt to have my sovereign rights to my defense further curtailed by means of my choice, they would be met with a vigorous and ferocious defense. I would do so unabashedly.
 
Goshin said:
Those whose focus is anti-GUN rather than anti-violence give themselves away by focusing on guns and excluding other means of murder.
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Not only that but they confer some special status to those claiming 4 (or more) victims at one time. A serial killer/violent criminal may claim many more victims (folks killed or injured) but since they were not done all at once that "career criminal" is ignored entirely.
 
Rucker61 said:
They talk about mass shootings at the beginning, but the meat of the articles talks about mental illness and gun violence, nit limited to mass shhotings. Was the Sandy Hook shooter mentally ill? The VT shooter? The Aurora shooter?
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You are making the classic P(A given B) = P(B given A) mistake. The first article said:

'It concludes that “most violent behavior is due to factors other than mental illness.”'

And the second one said:

'People with serious mental illness are responsible for only 3-5 percent of all violence and recent research suggests that they are responsible for only about 1 percent of gun violence.”'

Mental health is not the problem. So, we need to look to another area for preventing mass shootings. (But mental health does need to be addressed in its own right.)
 
Lutherf said:
No problem.

If you want to prevent mass shootings the first thing you need to do is build a whole mess of safe facilities. These facilities should be have all access points tightly controlled with metal detectors and physical searches of anyone entering and anything brought in. Once people are inside the facility they should be separated into individual housing units and their movements should be tightly regulated. Only certain groups should be allowed to move at any given time and routine checks should be made to insure that nobody went anywhere when they weren't supposed to. While that may seem rather harsh we could compensate the people by providing free medical care and free meals. Taking these steps would pretty much guarantee that firearms could not get into the facility and everyone would be able to live their dream life perfectly free from fear, suffering or need.
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I see what you did there. Nice. :thumbs:
 
Phys251 said:
You are making the classic P(A given B) = P(B given A) mistake. The first article said:

'It concludes that “most violent behavior is due to factors other than mental illness.”'

And the second one said:

'People with serious mental illness are responsible for only 3-5 percent of all violence and recent research suggests that they are responsible for only about 1 percent of gun violence.”'

Mental health is not the problem. So, we need to look to another area for preventing mass shootings. (But mental health does need to be addressed in its own right.)
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Mass shootings are only 1% to 2% of gun violence. Nothing in those articles says the mental illness isn't a factor in mass shootings.
 
PirateMk1 said:
To the second point first. It would depend on where I was and what the situation was. IDK to be honest until I am there. I digress to the main point though. Combat training isn't about doing this that or the other in a given situation its about learning how to keep your wits about you in extremely stressful situations, not panicking and thinking the situation through as best you can. I insist everyone in my family have some form of it, including the children. Its one of THE most useful skills I know to have. Nobody truly knows how they are going to react in a genuine circumstance but being training helps tremendously.

To your first point. I disagree it quite acceptable to do nothing and would tell the 58 slain just that. Further I would go so far as to say they should they go so far as to attempt to have my sovereign rights to my defense further curtailed by means of my choice, they would be met with a vigorous and ferocious defense. I would do so unabashedly.
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Wow, just, wow. You have made it clear that you believe that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is in the wrong order. You clearly believe that liberty is more important than life.

But thank you for your honesty. Next, please.
 
Rucker61 said:
Mass shootings are only 1% to 2% of gun violence. Nothing in those articles says the mental illness isn't a factor in mass shootings.
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Prove it. I'm tired of trying to explain this simple concept to you.
 
Lutherf said:
But...you'd be safe! Everything would be taken care of for you and you wouldn't need to worry about anything.

Geez...some people are just never happy.;)
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Sad thing is Phys didn't seem to get the irony and took it to heart.
 
Phys251 said:
Wow, just, wow. You have made it clear that you believe that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is in the wrong order. You clearly believe that liberty is more important than life.

But thank you for your honesty. Next, please.
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Uh...YEAH!!! What good is life if you're not free to live it as you see fit?
 
Phys251 said:
Prove it. I'm tired of trying to explain this simple concept to you.
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I freely admit that mental illness isn't a factor in gun violence in general. Your quotes above so not imply in any way anything else. Mass shootings are not typical gun violence. They occur as rarely as the mental ill are invoked in gun violence. Is there a 100% overlap? No, but to deny that mental illness didn't play a part in shootings like Virginia Tech, Aurora, Sandy Hook and the Navy Yard when all of those shooters were under mental health treatment is to deny reality.
 
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