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Jimmy kimmel brings knife to a gun fight, results predicatble

Moot said:
The constitution set the government up to avoid corruption in government...but the NRA found a way to corrupt it anyway through our elected officials. Thats what Kimmel was talking about....


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And Soros and Bloomberg are Saints watching over government, keeping corruption out?
 
TurtleDude said:
you know the argument has hit rock bottom when someone thinks Jimmy Kimmel's comments have any value on this issue.
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It has emotional and shock value. ;)
 
Moot said:
The constitution set the government up to avoid corruption in government...but the NRA found a way to corrupt it anyway through our elected officials. Thats what Kimmel was talking about....


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The NRA is not powerful there are only five million members that's a little less than 2% of the population and they've only ever spent about three to four million dollars lobbying.
 
CLAX1911 said:
The NRA is not powerful there are only five million members that's a little less than 2% of the population and they've only ever spent about three to four million dollars lobbying.
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You forgot to mention the tens of millions the NRA spends on opposition ads....


"....The NRA and its allies in the firearms industries, along with the even more militant Gun Owners of America, have together poured nearly $81 million into House, Senate, and presidential races since the 2000 election cycle, according to federal disclosures and a Center for Responsive Politics analysis done for the Center for Public Integrity.

The bulk of the cash—more than $46 million—has come in the form of independent expenditures made since court decisions in 2010 (especially the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision) essentially redefined electoral politics. Those decisions allowed individuals, corporations, associations, and unions to make unlimited “independent” expenditures aimed at electing or defeating candidates in federal elections, so long as the expenditures were not “coordinated” with a candidate’s actual campaign.

“Members of Congress pay attention to these numbers, and they know that in the last election cycle the NRA spent $18.6 million on various campaigns,” says Lee Drutman, who has studied the role of gun money in politics for the Sunlight Foundation. “They know what the NRA is capable of doing and the kinds of ads they’re capable of running, and especially if you’re someone facing a close election, you don’t want hundreds of thousands and potentially millions of dollars in advertising to go against you.”....

What the NRA’s Millions Do?and Don’t?Buy – Mother Jones​


The NRA may not have contributed as much directly to individual campaigns....but they spent tens of millions in opposition ads against anyone that doesn't vote pro-NRA.
 
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MACS-24 said:
And Soros and Bloomberg are Saints watching over government, keeping corruption out?
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And the Adelson and the Koch's aren't doing the same?
 
Moot said:
And the Adelson and the Koch's aren't doing the same?
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My point exactly, yet you would have us believe that only the boogeyman NRA is controlling Congress.
 
Moot said:
You forgot to mention the tens of millions the NRA spends on opposition ads....


"....The NRA and its allies in the firearms industries, along with the even more militant Gun Owners of America, have together poured nearly $81 million into House, Senate, and presidential races since the 2000 election cycle, according to federal disclosures and a Center for Responsive Politics analysis done for the Center for Public Integrity.

The bulk of the cash—more than $46 million—has come in the form of independent expenditures made since court decisions in 2010 (especially the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision) essentially redefined electoral politics. Those decisions allowed individuals, corporations, associations, and unions to make unlimited “independent” expenditures aimed at electing or defeating candidates in federal elections, so long as the expenditures were not “coordinated” with a candidate’s actual campaign.

“Members of Congress pay attention to these numbers, and they know that in the last election cycle the NRA spent $18.6 million on various campaigns,” says Lee Drutman, who has studied the role of gun money in politics for the Sunlight Foundation. “They know what the NRA is capable of doing and the kinds of ads they’re capable of running, and especially if you’re someone facing a close election, you don’t want hundreds of thousands and potentially millions of dollars in advertising to go against you.”....

What the NRA’s Millions Do?and Don’t?Buy – Mother Jones​


The NRA may not have contributed as much directly to individual campaigns....but they spent tens of millions in opposition ads against anyone that doesn't vote pro-NRA.
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That's not lobbying.

And good we have the freedom of speech in this nation and the freedom of Association. So there is absolutely nothing wrong Sinister or devious about this it is exactly how you're supposed to go about it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That's not lobbying.

And good we have the freedom of speech in this nation and the freedom of Association. So there is absolutely nothing wrong Sinister or devious about this it is exactly how you're supposed to go about it.
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Election spending was the point....not lobbying.
 
KLATTU said:
The liberal medias fawned al over him but the rw ,pro 2a folks, tore him a new one.

I've seen way too many liberals completely get embarrassed by the 2a folks, becuase ,whether or not you agree with them, they know their stuff.

Jimmy Kimmel: Stay Out Of The Gun Debate If You Can?t Be Honest
Jimmy Kimmel Ate His Own Argument for Gun Control | National Review
Jimmy Kimmel's Gun Control Comments After Las Vegas Shooting Are Misinformed | National Review
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haymarket said:
In debating terms, we call my post, calling out the usual NRA BS.

Its always the same.

You don't think like us.

You don't understand the right.

You don't understand the purpose of the right.

You don't understate what is meant by infringed.

You don't know guns like we do.

You make technical mistakes.

You call things by the wrong name.

You don't know a 38.56adn 7/8th figamadget from a Louisville 69 cranistan.

And on and on and on and on. Its all the secret handshake stuff over and over and over again.

It matters not to me if you agree or not but that is what I read over and over and over again with this type of criticism against people who express outrage about gun crimes. And when you do that you miss a major point. Lots and lots and lots of people have one simple question that never ever gets answered?

why does any civilian in America need high powered military level weapons turned into automatic mode weapons like this in the first place. And I betcha I used a wrong word in there didn't I ? guess I don't know that secret handshake either. :doh:roll:
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I hear you. There are some on this board who object to me calling the Vegas shooters weapons machine guns when anyone who has heard the recordings know that that is what they were. I could give a **** about the so called "technical" differences. The AR-15 was developed for the military as a machine gun and that fact that all of them will function like one should not be a surprise. It is also not a surprise that we were duped into believing the lie that they were no more dangerous than "ordinary" semi-automatics. Those liars bear at least some of the blame for the tragedy along with the NRA/ gun manufacturers who chose profits over sanity.
 
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iguanaman said:
I hear you. There are some on this board who object to me calling the Vegas shooters weapons machine guns when anyone who has heard the recordings know that that is what they were. I could give a **** about the so called "technical" differences. The AR-15 was developed for the military as a machine gun and that fact that all of them will function like one should not be a surprise. It is also not a surprise that we were duped into believing the lie that they were no more dangerous than "ordinary" semi-automatics. Those liars bear at least some of the blame for the tragedy along with the NRA/ gun manufacturers who chose profits over sanity.
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Gun fanatics are very schooled in being well up on the technical specs and the right terminology of their love and object of obsession. And they use that as a secret handshake both to identify their follow true believers and to attempt to disqualify anybody who does not have the same expert technical knowledge about mechanics and specs as they do. Untimely, it is a grossly dishonest tactic that they use to try and diminish their opposition.

When you or I or anyone advocating gun reform does not pass this secret handshake test, we should remember that we are American citizens who have a right to our opinion and we do not have to pass any damn test to show we know the difference between technical variations of weapons. When the time comes to write the laws, experts can be brought in to do that.

Despite growing up in SE Michigan and the Detroit area, I do not know a heck of a lot about how cars work. I don't know the technical specifics of an engine or a catalytic convertor or anything else about a car. But I don't need to know that to have a valid opinion about speed limits and automobile safety and who should be allowed to drive and who should not and details of public safety associated with cars.

And guns are not a damn bit different.
 
iguanaman said:
I hear you. There are some on this board who object to me calling the Vegas shooters weapons machine guns when anyone who has heard the recordings know that that is what they were. I could give a **** about the so called "technical" differences. The AR-15 was developed for the military as a machine gun and that fact that all of them will function like one should not be a surprise. It is also not a surprise that we were duped into believing the lie that they were no more dangerous than "ordinary" semi-automatics. Those liars bear at least some of the blame for the tragedy along with the NRA/ gun manufacturers who chose profits over sanity.
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I have a hard time finding another poster who has been so consistently wrong in his claims about the firearms involved. Didn't you read GOSHIN's sticky.

what's a "normal semi auto"

the problem with your stupid posts is that they are fueled by your hatred of the NRA and you try to cover up that hate by pretending its about weapons you haven't a clue about. and the more you try to cover up your real motivations, we see the litany of lies and the stupid ignorance of weapons types that proof its hate that truly motivates your comments
 
TurtleDude said:
I have a hard time finding another poster who has been so consistently wrong in his claims about the firearms involved. Didn't you read GOSHIN's sticky.

what's a "normal semi auto"

the problem with your stupid posts is that they are fueled by your hatred of the NRA and you try to cover up that hate by pretending its about weapons you haven't a clue about. and the more you try to cover up your real motivations, we see the litany of lies and the stupid ignorance of weapons types that proof its hate that truly motivates your comments
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By "normal semi-auto" I simply mean guns not based on a military machine gun. We've had them for years before these military issue weapons became the rage and now we all know why don't we? You guys can all go rat-at-tat-tat in the woods and play "Medal of Honor" or just fantasize about it while looking at Your AR-15 on the wall, All the while laughing at how you have a REAL MACHINE GUN and us "librul bannerites" can't do anything about it. I sure hope it was worth it. I bet there are a lot of families in Vegas who would disagree.
BTW I love how you "experts" become deaf and dumb when pressed and start asking ME questions. What's wrong? Flustered? Struck a nerve?
 
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iguanaman said:
By "normal semi-auto" I simply mean guns not based on a military machine gun. We've had them for years before these military issue weapons became the rage and now we all know why don't we? You guys can all go rat-at-tat-tat in the woods and play "Medal of Honor" or just fantasize about it while looking at Your AR-15 on the wall, All the while laughing at how you have a REAL MACHINE GUN and us "librul bannerites" can't do anything about it. I sure hope it was worth it. I bet there are a lot of families in Vegas who would disagree.
BTW I love how you "experts" become deaf and dumb when pressed and start asking ME questions. What's wrong? Flustered? Struck a nerve?
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We've had military semiautos in civilians hands since the late 1940s, which predate any non-military versions, many of which were sold by the federal government to its citizens. These military grade, semiautomatic, magazine fed, intermediate caliber carbines have been used by citizens for lawful purposes for 70 years already.
 
iguanaman said:
By "normal semi-auto" I simply mean guns not based on a military machine gun. We've had them for years before these military issue weapons became the rage and now we all know why don't we? You guys can all go rat-at-tat-tat in the woods and play "Medal of Honor" or just fantasize about it while looking at Your AR-15 on the wall, All the while laughing at how you have a REAL MACHINE GUN and us "librul bannerites" can't do anything about it. I sure hope it was worth it. I bet there are a lot of families in Vegas who would disagree.
BTW I love how you "experts" become deaf and dumb when pressed and start asking ME questions. What's wrong? Flustered? Struck a nerve?
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still upset that pro gun voters don't elect leftwing twits.
the faux concern over deaths apparently doesn't extend to blacks in inner cities shot by other gangbangers
 
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