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Why the NRA will win on this issue

jghiretire said:
Your posts in and of themselves are usually silly and inflammatory - we can tit for tat all day.

Don't read my posts - frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. But please continue.
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Your posts in and of themselves are usually silly and emotional - we can tit for tat all day.

However, your emotions caused you to miss, maybe ignore, TD's point, nicely pointing out your failed post.
 
MACS-24 said:
Your posts in and of themselves are usually silly and emotional - we can tit for tat all day.

However, your emotions caused you to miss, maybe ignore, TD's point, nicely pointing out your failed post.
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its common-they don't like the politics of pro gun posters and the NRA, they dislike the fact that gun voters help defeat Democrats, they know nothing of guns but they want to counter-attack and since they are ignorant about gun issues and are unwilling to just say they hate us for keeping hillary out of office, they are left to spew idiotic ignorant nonsense about guns
 
jghiretire said:
Neither I or any of my friends want to take away your right to have a gun.
I do not want to have to worry every time I go to a theater or restaurant - or send my child to school and have to worry that some lunatic is going to shoot them or me.
We can't even seem to draw the line at shooting kids in school.
Everyone throws up their hands and says - too bad so sad. There is no discussion. The questions always come up - what is the answer - this law wouldn't have prevenuhted that - or it wouldn't have prevented this.
The "right" is so convinced all the liberals want to do is confiscate all the guns. It just isn't true.
If we could come up with some simple common sense things to do to prevent these things from happening, how is that bad??
I just get tired of the same old reasons not to even try.
This guy killed 59 people and wounded over 500.

I agree that the psychopath may appear to be normal until they aren't. I disagree that the mentally ill need to be able to obtain a gun.

It seems it's harder to adopt a dog than buy a gun. Sorry, that doesn't seem right.
We license our cars - we have to have insurance - we have to have a driver's license.
We work on getting cars safer.

It's worth having a discussion about - it would be much better to have some input from more people that own guns than from people who don't.
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Gun nuts can not read your post they the hate they have
 
jghiretire said:
Neither I or any of my friends want to take away your right to have a gun.
I do not want to have to worry every time I go to a theater or restaurant - or send my child to school and have to worry that some lunatic is going to shoot them or me.
We can't even seem to draw the line at shooting kids in school.
Everyone throws up their hands and says - too bad so sad. There is no discussion. The questions always come up - what is the answer - this law wouldn't have prevented that - or it wouldn't have prevented this.
The "right" is so convinced all the liberals want to do is confiscate all the guns. It just isn't true.
If we could come up with some simple common sense things to do to prevent these things from happening, how is that bad??
I just get tired of the same old reasons not to even try.
This guy killed 59 people and wounded over 500.

I agree that the psychopath may appear to be normal until they aren't. I disagree that the mentally ill need to be able to obtain a gun.

It seems it's harder to adopt a dog than buy a gun. Sorry, that doesn't seem right.
We license our cars - we have to have insurance - we have to have a driver's license.
We work on getting cars safer.

It's worth having a discussion about - it would be much better to have some input from more people that own guns than from people who don't.
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I found this to be well said in response to, "I understand what you’re saying, but when would your of a lightening strike trump my rights?"

I own guns...not many at present but enough to meet my current needs...I live in AZ which has justifiable homicide laws that allow me to take action to prevent someone from killing another...up to and including killing them...I've been threatened by messenger for something I didn't do...I sent back the message, it wasn't me but he laid down the threat...come to my canyon and I will shoot to kill...that was a deterrence apparently, considering further evidence months later made clear my lack of guilt...as he approached in his van he held a white flag out of his window.

If you hear a suspicious sound or unexpected knock at the door...the sound of a 12ga slide action with no shell before asking who it is has been known to scare people off from doing harm to another.

Criminals love unarmed victims.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Let's have that discussion.

:peace
 
TurtleDude said:
its common-they don't like the politics of pro gun posters and the NRA, they dislike the fact that gun voters help defeat Democrats, they know nothing of guns but they want to counter-attack and since they are ignorant about gun issues and are unwilling to just say they hate us for keeping hillary out of office, they are left to spew idiotic ignorant nonsense about guns
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Never been shown so true until that one Congress lady (maybe a state rep, don't remember) thought if they'd ban "high cap" magazines eventually they all disappear because they'd run empty and be useless.
 
MaggieD said:
If they were really sincere about strengthening the laws, they could easily have done it when they had a majority in both houses and a Dem in the White House. Talking points....
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If I remember correctly many democrats lost their seats after the Brady Bill was passed.November 30th 1993 The Brady Bill was signed into law, Republicans gained control of both houses in 1994. They were probably afraid of a repeat of that. Now of course that doesn't stop anti-2nd amendment trash at the state level from enacting anti-2nd amendment laws in the hope that it will take decades before they are struck down at the supreme court level.
 
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Bucky said:
It seems after every mass shooting you see a lot of liberals and celebrities demand gun control.... vigorously. Eventually, this momentum dies down and they go onto their next cause - global warming, attacking Trump, etc... etc..

Not until the next shooting they come out of hiding.

IMO for a lot of liberals they have causes and ideas they believe in but aren't willing to fight for them as vigorously compared to conservatives.
With guns, I am not sure why. Is it because they aren't committed to the cause compared to other issues?



Politicians like Bernie Sanders have realized gun control isn't a popular position to run on so they maneuver in the middle. I don't blame them completely as gun zealots make up a large voting bloc. The NRA has so much political influence they can take out people running for office that opposes their radical views.

My point is if you have strong beliefs and causes, you should fight for them, not hide or become milk toast because they are unpopular or difficult.
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You may think they are dying down when some other story grabs their attention. But the reality is that they are going after the 2nd amendment at the state level in states like California, Illinois, New York and a few other anti-2nd amendment states where they think gun ownership should be a state granted privilege instead of a constitutional right.
 
MaggieD said:
According to counts by the U.S. government, in 2009, there were 320:000:000 guns in the United States. Since we know we can’t put the genie back in the bottle, it occurs to me that if we even outlawed 10% of guns, we’d still have almost 300 million of them. Would you feel safer than you did a week ago?

I understand what you’re saying, but when would your of a lightening strike trump my rights?
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My observation is that the genie was never in the bottle and gun crotrollers are doing their best to incrimentally put the toothpaste back in the tube (since you like cliches) until they can screw the cap back on nice and tight and rid society of of all gun ownership. Maybe one day society will of reached that point when it's feasible because nobody threatens anyone but in my estimation their argument is premature

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TurtleDude said:
so what, the GOP is the pro gun rights party the Democrat party is the bannerrhoid party
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What in the flying monkey does bannerhoid mean? I googled it and came up empty

Lol nevermind it just sunk in. Long day I guess I'm slow to the draw

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MACS-24 said:
Never been shown so true until that one Congress lady (maybe a state rep, don't remember) thought if they'd ban "high cap" magazines eventually they all disappear because they'd run empty and be useless.
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Oh yes, this member of the bannerrhoid brain trust-which is why its so hard to take these twits seriously
the one you are talking about is #2 on this list. but this is the leadership of the Democrat-bannerrhoid party

 
So, if more laws aren't the solution, what is the solution to reducing gun violence?

Do nothing, or are there specific measures that can be taken to reduce gun violence?

btw, ad hominem attacks, name calling, straw men, red herrings, etc are not a valid response, and only shows you have no ideas.
 
TurtleDude said:
Oh yes, this member of the bannerrhoid brain trust-which is why its so hard to take these twits seriously
the one you are talking about is #2 on this list. but this is the leadership of the Democrat-bannerrhoid party

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Yup that's the one. This amount of ignorance of those people in their position should be itself a crime.

But it's the NRA's fault. :roll:
 
beancounter said:
So, if more laws aren't the solution, what is the solution to reducing gun violence?

Do nothing, or are there specific measures that can be taken to reduce gun violence?

btw, ad hominem attacks, name calling, straw men, red herrings, etc are not a valid response, and only shows you have no ideas.
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calling for more gun control when capital murder charges didn't deter a guy worth 10million who had two planes, shows that its you anti gun types who have no ideas. Besides, lets cut the crap, none of the people pushing more restrictions on honest people give a damn about saving lives. Its all about sticking it to their political enemies-the foremost being the NRA. that's why EVERYONE who is screaming to ban this or that are LEFT WINGERS
 
MACS-24 said:
Yup that's the one. This amount of ignorance of those people in their position should be itself a crime.

But it's the NRA's fault. :roll:
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thank God NRA members and the millions of honest gun owners are more careful exercising their second amendment rights that those gaping assholes in office and the press are in utilizing their first amendment rights.
 
TurtleDude said:
calling for more gun control when capital murder charges didn't deter a guy worth 10million who had two planes, shows that its you anti gun types who have no ideas. Besides, lets cut the crap, none of the people pushing more restrictions on honest people give a damn about saving lives. Its all about sticking it to their political enemies-the foremost being the NRA. that's why EVERYONE who is screaming to ban this or that are LEFT WINGERS
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So, you have no ideas. I figured as much.

Is it possible for you make a post that doesn't include an ad hominem attack, or some other dirty debate tactic?

You are just making broad brush statements with no evidence to support you assertions. Go ahead and show me proof that for all of the "anti-gun types" it's not about saving lives, and only about sticking it to their political enemies. Sure, there are some people like that, but to claim that that is everyone agenda is just ridiculous.

Clearly you've bought the NRA propaganda hook line and sinker that everyone who disagrees with their position is an evil bastard out to trample on your second amendment rights. Don't you see how they are pushing your buttons and manipulating your emotions?

Either that, or you're being paid by a foreign government to foment arguments in online forums to increase the divisions and rifts among Americans.:2razz:
 
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beancounter said:
So, you have no ideas. I figured as much.

You are just making broad brush statements with no evidence to support you assertions. Go ahead and show me proof that for all of the "anti-gun types" it's not about saving lives, and only about sticking it to their political enemies. Sure, there are some people like that, but to claim that that is everyone agenda is just ridiculous.

Clearly you've bought the NRA propaganda hook line and sinker that everyone who disagrees with their position is an evil bastard out to trample on your second amendment rights. Don't you see how they are pushing your buttons and manipulating your emotions?

Either that, or you're being paid by a foreign government to foment arguments in online forums to increase the divisions and rifts among Americans.
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when you have been here a bit longer, you will learn something just about everyone else on this forum knows-and many admit. I forget more about this topic than most of you will ever learn. I have been doing this gun debate thing for over four decades including testimony in front of various legislative bodies, lecturing law schools and law professors on the second amendment, training police officers in the use of deadly force and qualifying federal law enforcement officers so they can carry weapons. and I know exactly what the anti gun movement in this country is about and its not about solving violent crime
 
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