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What if 100 NRA members were killed?[W:1249]

Re: What if 100 NRA members were killed?

How convenient that you do not believe that the right of the people to keep and bear arms does not actually mean the right of the people to keep and bear arms. All so you can claim you don’t advocate for getting rid of anybodies Constitutional rights.


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Re: What if 100 NRA members were killed?

You and I probably have serious differences in what each of us believes the Second means and what it covers and when the right itself is infringed. So I agree with your last sentence.

However, I cannot "limit" a right which you do not have in the first place. And again, we strongly differ on that also.

According to the USSC, I and everyone else most certainly do have that right...

The decision extended the court's 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller that "the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home." That decision applied only to federal laws and federal enclaves such as Washington; it was the first time the court had said there was an individual right to gun ownership rather than one related to military service. - Supreme Court affirms fundamental right to bear arms

So it is irrelevant whether you think we have it or not. Our laws say we do.
 
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Glad you agree that I am proposing they keep their rights.

That is a pretty dishonest misrepresentation of my comment. You are proposing they lose rights, you know you are. Stop lying.
 
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I have never advocated , nor do I advocate for now getting rid of anybody constitutional rights.

How slippery is the slope exactly?
 
Re: What if 100 NRA members were killed?

According to the USSC, I and everyone else most certainly do have that right...

The decision extended the court's 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller that "the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home." That decision applied only to federal laws and federal enclaves such as Washington; it was the first time the court had said there was an individual right to gun ownership rather than one related to military service. - Supreme Court affirms fundamental right to bear arms

So it is irrelevant whether you think we have it or not. Our laws say we do.

Yes, Heller said that. And it is a relatively new ruling which significantly changed the traditional view which was held for the previous two centuries.
And I have no problem with the Court saying it was an individual right because it clearly evolved as such over the past two centuries.

None of that however restricts government from passing laws to not allow certain types of guns providing the basic right can still be exercised.
 
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How slippery is the slope exactly?

You would have to ask somebody who resides at the intersection of Slippery Slope Street and Paranoia Place.
 
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That is a pretty dishonest misrepresentation of my comment. You are proposing they lose rights, you know you are. Stop lying.

no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.
 
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You would have to ask somebody who resides at the intersection of Slippery Slope Street and Paranoia Place.

Actual addresses are:

90 7th Street
Suite 2-800
San Francisco, CA 94103
phone: (415) 556-4862
hours: M-F 9-5:30pm

233 Cannon H.O.B.
Washington, DC 20515
phone: (202) 225-4965
hours: M-F 9-5:30pm
 
Re: What if 100 NRA members were killed?

What type of argument is that? The only reason why there wasn't is because guns didn't existed. Do you have some sort of magic wand to make every gun in the world disappear?

It's an argument that outlines the trivially obvious fact that, without guns, there can be no gun violence.
 
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Yes, Heller said that. And it is a relatively new ruling which significantly changed the traditional view which was held for the previous two centuries.

And I have no problem with the Court saying it was an individual right because it clearly evolved as such over the past two centuries.

None of that however restricts government from passing laws to not allow certain types of guns providing the basic right can still be exercised.

Still don't understand what "infringed" means, LMAO!

Yes, tell us another one.
 
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Sandy Hook proved we will do nothing about guns. As if we needed proof after all the previous incidents of murder and carnage. murders

The club in Florida proved it again when 49 were murdered.

And nothing will come of this Vegas slaughter today. Nothing. Not one damn thing will change.

The NRA owns Congress and the Republicans are there compliant bitch more than willing to do their bidding and ask for more.

So what would happen if some killer slaughtered 100 NRA members at one of their conventions?

Would that change anything?

No, gun control legislation is not the solution to mass shootings. It has been going on since 1964. We need to get back to insane asylums. Even that wouldn't have prevented the Las Vegas massacre.
 
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no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

There you go, making up criteria. Welcome to the first Haymarket evasion, to widen a definition to the point of absurdity to claim any restriction is allowed because some have been allowed.
 
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You would have to ask somebody who resides at the intersection of Slippery Slope Street and Paranoia Place.

I already am.
 
Re: What if 100 NRA members were killed?

There you go, making up criteria. Welcome to the first Haymarket evasion, to widen a definition to the point of absurdity to claim any restriction is allowed because some have been allowed.

Not any restriction but the right is also not unlimited either
 
Re: What if 100 NRA members were killed?

Sandy Hook proved we will do nothing about guns. As if we needed proof after all the previous incidents of murder and carnage. murders

The club in Florida proved it again when 49 were murdered.

And nothing will come of this Vegas slaughter today. Nothing. Not one damn thing will change.

The NRA owns Congress and the Republicans are there compliant bitch more than willing to do their bidding and ask for more.

So what would happen if some killer slaughtered 100 NRA members at one of their conventions?

Would that change anything?

You should have used liberal Michigan politicians.
 
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Not any restriction but the right is also not unlimited either

A limited right doesn't mean restrict until you can't tell what it is anymore.
 
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I have never advocated , nor do I advocate for now getting rid of anybody constitutional rights.

Sure you haven't, from your point of view no prohibition/limitation is an infringement.

Liar.
 
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Still don't understand what "infringed" means, LMAO!

Yes, tell us another one.

I understand perfectly. It means that Congress can pass no law which prevents your right from being exercised. If they do that, the right has been infringed.
 
Re: What if 100 NRA members were killed?

No, gun control legislation is not the solution to mass shootings. It has been going on since 1964. We need to get back to insane asylums. Even that wouldn't have prevented the Las Vegas massacre.

I agree that gun control is not the solution.

But it is part of the solution.
 
Re: What if 100 NRA members were killed?

There you go, making up criteria. Welcome to the first Haymarket evasion, to widen a definition to the point of absurdity to claim any restriction is allowed because some have been allowed.

Criteria?!?!?!?! What is said is simple reality. You cannot lose a right you do not have in the first place. That is just reality.
 
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Sure you haven't, from your point of view no prohibition/limitation is an infringement.

Liar.

I love your new signature!!!!!! :cool::2wave:
 
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I agree that gun control is not the solution.

But it is part of the solution.

It might have been decades ago but we have so many gun laws now one has to think hard to come up with something new. I remember when they passed the Gun Control Act of 1968. Prior to that I could order a firearm by mail to my college dorm room. Mass shootings were nearly unheard of in those days. The gun is a tool. The mass killer is a human being. Our culture has gone in negative directions since 1968. We need to deal with whatever causes human beings to become mass killers. I don't have the answer but I think personally the internet has contributed to that more than anything else.
 
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Why not. You don’t like the NRA, maybe I don’t like liberal Michigan politicians.
 
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