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The Grassy Knoll

G'morning Maggie,

To try and add clarity to my perspective...first off, we don't know if the brother was really close enough to know...or...perhaps he knew way more than he wanted to even try and start the spin.

When you get into what you might expect him to say, you are applying a thought process (yours) to the situation...which may or may not be relevant in this situation...so we speculate while we wait for more info.

Here's an update...the brother said he had a few small guns but wasn't a gun nut (something to that effect)...they've found somewhere around 40? so far...like I said...either the brother was out of touch...or knows too much.

Food for thought

Cheers

As to your accomplice in the room theory...there was no one there when police entered and any movement in the hallway outside the suite, from the beginning fire on, is probably recorded...certainly reviewed by now...none have been mentioned yet and authorities are claiming he was alone...accepting that, it would appear that there was only one shooter, alone in that room...make sense?

Of course it does. If...
they aren't concealing evidence...;)

Not saying they are...I'm just a born skeptic.

Great post. And I had forgotten all about the cameras. I don’t think Fox played the whole interview, so I either forgot about the gun comment or was doing something else. Fox is my go-to for large scale breaking news. Small doses though since they play the same stuff over and over and over again.

Thanks for your second reply to my post.
 
Great post. And I had forgotten all about the cameras. I don’t think Fox played the whole interview, so I either forgot about the gun comment or was doing something else. Fox is my go-to for large scale breaking news. Small doses though since they play the same stuff over and over and over again.

Thanks for your second reply to my post.

You're welcome. I think we can get into deeper perspective on this, but how about we save it for when I get around to starting the "Fake News" thread?
 
I figured that, thanks...are we looking at a slight bit or quite a bit i.e. 2x or 10x or 30x...just curious

Since you have to remove the pistol grip, and not lose the spring and pin it holds in place, then replace it with the bumpfire, it looks to be about a 3 minute operation, as compared to the 2 seconds to change a magazine.
 
Since you have to remove the pistol grip, and not lose the spring and pin it holds in place, then replace it with the bumpfire, it looks to be about a 3 minute operation, as compared to the 2 seconds to change a magazine.

As I mentioned...was curious due to my ignorance...figured it would be quite a bit bigger ordeal...thanks for the info :thumbs:
 
Since you have to remove the pistol grip, and not lose the spring and pin it holds in place, then replace it with the bumpfire, it looks to be about a 3 minute operation, as compared to the 2 seconds to change a magazine.

I appreciate the info but it appears to have become moot considering 2 turned into 12...this is getting more interesting as it unfolds
 
I think it's too early for conspiracy theories. As wired up for security as Vegas is, I would think it would be pretty easy to determine exactly who came and went from that floor, if not that very room.

It's never too early for conspiracy theories.. as a matter of fact, the less facts known, the better the fertile ground for conspiracy theories. You got Alex Jones claiming it twas the 'Deep State'.
 
A friend of mine stopped by on his way home from work...he's graveyard lead engineer...sometimes very busy...at other times he does a lot of walking to relieve the boredom...last night was slow and his feet ached from standing...watching the worst mass killing on American soil or some such record.

Anyway, he's a gun nut like me...although I'm not into military style weapons...he is.

His take was there were two shooters claiming that he could hear an AK and an AR at the same time...anybody hear the same thing?

The other thing is...there are two busted out windows.

Why, if I had a good field and no return fire, why move across the suite?

Doesn't make sense to me.

:confused:

My understanding is that he had AR's in .223 and .308, and that would explain the differing fire arm reports. Given the reporting to date, I have no idea if that's an accurate description of the long guns in that room, or not.
 
My understanding is that he had AR's in .223 and .308, and that would explain the differing fire arm reports. Given the reporting to date, I have no idea if that's an accurate description of the long guns in that room, or not.

He certainly had plenty and a variety.
What brought about the thread was a friend of mine suggested hearing two different types of fire at the same time...suggesting the possibility of multiple shooters.
There appears to be no evidence we are aware of that has been released to indicate other than a lone gunman.

As to types of guns...I think the dozen bump stock issue will be the more prevalent discussion going forward.
 
He certainly had plenty and a variety.
What brought about the thread was a friend of mine suggested hearing two different types of fire at the same time...suggesting the possibility of multiple shooters.
There appears to be no evidence we are aware of that has been released to indicate other than a lone gunman.

As to types of guns...I think the dozen bump stock issue will be the more prevalent discussion going forward.

I think it's just different calibers fired at different times. He had a corner suite to cover the entire field of fire, and he used both faces of the building. The number of fatalities is shocking, but it could've been much, much worse. I'm relieved the guy didn't have more fire power. It appears he was intent on running under any radar that would've tipped anybody off that he was planning such a thing.

Bump stocks are something of a curiosity. It's a low cost end run around the automatic weapons prohibition. I have no use for them, and I think most sporting folks would agree that they aren't practical for much of anything - other than this type of madness. There are probably too many of them in the public domain to make declaring them illegal of significant value in preventing crimes like this, but I have no objection to their prohibition.
 
I think it's just different calibers fired at different times. He had a corner suite to cover the entire field of fire, and he used both faces of the building. The number of fatalities is shocking, but it could've been much, much worse. I'm relieved the guy didn't have more fire power. It appears he was intent on running under any radar that would've tipped anybody off that he was planning such a thing.

Bump stocks are something of a curiosity. It's a low cost end run around the automatic weapons prohibition. I have no use for them, and I think most sporting folks would agree that they aren't practical for much of anything - other than this type of madness. There are probably too many of them in the public domain to make declaring them illegal of significant value in preventing crimes like this, but I have no objection to their prohibition.

I'm in agreement with your hunter perspective...no hunter in their right mind would want to be out there among fools hunting with bump stock's...about like going fishing with a hand grenade.

As to the bold part...that's the bigger issue...guns are a part of our society and if production of guns and ammunition were to cease tomorrow, the available supply would still be huge and their value would rise, resulting in increased criminal activity...buy stock in gun safe companies and security system companies, while looking into which safe and system best suits your needs.

I'm in amazement about this issue about like looking at the wealthy...a small percentage of the people have the vast amount of guns and/or money...why so greedy?

A person who amasses money with no concern for the environment or others...what's their plan? Live in an underground bunker and count your coins because the air is unsafe...kinda like the folks who collect guns to protect themselves from those evil bastards who are a threat to their freedom...I don't care how many guns you've got...one smart bomb up your ass and you're gonna be toast.
 
I'm in agreement with your hunter perspective...no hunter in their right mind would want to be out there among fools hunting with bump stock's...about like going fishing with a hand grenade.

As to the bold part...that's the bigger issue...guns are a part of our society and if production of guns and ammunition were to cease tomorrow, the available supply would still be huge and their value would rise, resulting in increased criminal activity...buy stock in gun safe companies and security system companies, while looking into which safe and system best suits your needs.

I'm in amazement about this issue about like looking at the wealthy...a small percentage of the people have the vast amount of guns and/or money...why so greedy?

A person who amasses money with no concern for the environment or others...what's their plan? Live in an underground bunker and count your coins because the air is unsafe...kinda like the folks who collect guns to protect themselves from those evil bastards who are a threat to their freedom...I don't care how many guns you've got...one smart bomb up your ass and you're gonna be toast.

From a hunting and sporting perspective, there is no practical use for a lot of fire arms and accessories, and you'd be amazed at some of what's loose around the country. Armories occasionally have things disappear. From my perspective, the bump stock issue is moot other than the fact that it gives some politicians something to talk about. It's legal to own the parts which can convert a legal AR to full auto or burst mode. It's not legal to install them. It all depends on the intent of the gun owner. That's the crux of the matter. Do you trust me to own a fire arm and behave responsibly?
 
It all depends on the intent of the gun owner. That's the crux of the matter. Do you trust me to own a fire arm and behave responsibly?

Which leads to the need to own a weapon for self defense argument, to protect us from the nut-jobs who we can't trust...no gun legislation can reverse such a problem in a "free" society...whatever that is...as I said before, stop production and the problem will continue to exist...it's more of a human nature problem.

As the old saying goes, "Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns."
 
From a hunting and sporting perspective, there is no practical use for a lot of fire arms and accessories, and you'd be amazed at some of what's loose around the country. Armories occasionally have things disappear. From my perspective, the bump stock issue is moot other than the fact that it gives some politicians something to talk about. It's legal to own the parts which can convert a legal AR to full auto or burst mode. It's not legal to install them. It all depends on the intent of the gun owner. That's the crux of the matter. Do you trust me to own a fire arm and behave responsibly?

If you're talking about the bump stock being legal to own yet not legal to use, you're mistaken. If you're talking about the bump stock turning an AR automatic, you're also mistaken.
 
If you're talking about the bump stock being legal to own yet not legal to use, you're mistaken. If you're talking about the bump stock turning an AR automatic, you're also mistaken.

Not talking about either of those things.
 
If you're talking about the bump stock being legal to own yet not legal to use, you're mistaken. If you're talking about the bump stock turning an AR automatic, you're also mistaken.

Not talking about either of those things.

Clearly not...you stated..."From my perspective, the bump stock issue is moot"...words have meanings.
 
Clearly not...you stated..."From my perspective, the bump stock issue is moot"...words have meanings.

I'm not sure how you get to what you're contending from what I said. I never said the bump stock was illegal to use or to own. I also never said that a bump stock turns an AR into an automatic weapon. There are quite a few bump stocks in circulation already. Making them illegal will achieve little.
 
There were several witnesses who did witness the gun in the 6th floor window, additionally MOST witnesses describe THREE shots, I have been to Dealy, its a concrete jungle, gun shots would echo big time. I don't buy it, Oswald was the lone gun man, its the most investigated murder of our time, and we have the 8mm cine footage. No one has come up with real evidence indicating that anyone else but Oswald did the deed.
 
I'm not sure how you get to what you're contending from what I said. I never said the bump stock was illegal to use or to own. I also never said that a bump stock turns an AR into an automatic weapon. There are quite a few bump stocks in circulation already. Making them illegal will achieve little.

Re-read my post...he made a claim...you said it was irrelevant...I pulled your quote that re-enforced your point...the bump stock issue is moot to your bigger argument.

I was trying to support your argument...not dispute it.
 
There were several witnesses who did witness the gun in the 6th floor window, additionally MOST witnesses describe THREE shots, I have been to Dealy, its a concrete jungle, gun shots would echo big time. I don't buy it, Oswald was the lone gun man, its the most investigated murder of our time, and we have the 8mm cine footage. No one has come up with real evidence indicating that anyone else but Oswald did the deed.

Way cool...whatever...we're discussing sounds in Vegas...catchy title, eh?

Did you read the OP as well?
 
Re-read my post...he made a claim...you said it was irrelevant...I pulled your quote that re-enforced your point...the bump stock issue is moot to your bigger argument.

I was trying to support your argument...not dispute it.

Thanks. I don't always read as attentively as I should.
 
No prob...don't feel alone...wouldn't surprise me that the opportunity shall arise that you can point to an example of me doing the same...it happens.

I'm old. That's my excuse. I always offer it at about 3:45 in the afternoon. And now, accompanied by The Prince of Denmark's March, I'm going to clean the kitchen floor. I start with a snow shovel...
 
I'm old. That's my excuse. I always offer it at about 3:45 in the afternoon. And now, accompanied by The Prince of Denmark's March, I'm going to clean the kitchen floor. I start with a snow shovel...
:thumbs:

Hmmm...I got a hair-brained idea and bought a snow plow attachment that is designed to fit on a Yamaha quad at a yard sale years ago...I'm selling it cheap...oops, VA, never mind...the shipping from AZ would kill the deal...I tried.

Old? I throw in tinnitus, hard of hearing and tri-focal glasses when I really get out there in public...:mrgreen:
 
:thumbs:

Hmmm...I got a hair-brained idea and bought a snow plow attachment that is designed to fit on a Yamaha quad at a yard sale years ago...I'm selling it cheap...oops, VA, never mind...the shipping from AZ would kill the deal...I tried.

Old? I throw in tinnitus, hard of hearing and tri-focal glasses when I really get out there in public...:mrgreen:

When pushed, I generally resort to claiming age related infirmities. There just has to be some advantage to aging, and I intend to fully exploit any and all of them.
 
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