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The Las Vegas shooting proves gun bans work

Manc Skipper said:
A regular pillar of the community who followed Nevada gun laws meticulously until the very moment he pulled the trigger.
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Not true.

He has a criminal record according to the police.

Machine guns are illegal unless you have an FFL3 which you can't get with a criminal record.


So he was a prohibited possessor just from the info we already have.


Why lie and make foolish comments?
 
Threegoofs said:
Fact is.... that this is a recurrent issue in the US. Mass shootings are common events.

Other developed nations don’t have these things happen often.

And the reason why is quite clearly the easy availability of firearms in the US.

This isn’t hard, dude.
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Since you have asserted that this isn't hard, can you describe your proposed easy solution based on the facts of this "typical" case?
 
MaggieD said:
That genie is already out of the bottle. It’s time to address the reason for these kinds of shootings. Mental illness.
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This is not directed at you personally...

It never ceases to amaze me how often, after a mass shooting, so many people talk about addressing mental illness...and yet, unless there is a recent mass shooting, no one ever seems to care or try to take steps to assist those with mental illness. It's almost like it's just a line trotted out to deflect from a discussion about the proper amount of gun regulation.

I agree, we DO need to do more to aid those who need assistance. I just wish more people who said this actually meant it and was willing to support it with tax dollars, not just say it to avoid a discussion about guns.

Again, I'm not directing this post at you personally, it's just something I've noticed in general.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Since you have asserted that this isn't hard, can you describe your proposed easy solution based on the facts of this "typical" case?
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It’s not hard to understand the cause.

But until the gun crowd is able to grasp that easy availability is the problem, it’s not useful to talk about solutions, because your response will always come back to ‘but that won’t solve the problem!’.

It’s like the guy who denies saturated fat is a health problem and demands to know which cut of steak should be banned.
 
MaggieD said:
That genie is already out of the bottle. It’s time to address the reason for these kinds of shootings. Mental illness.
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I hear ya, and that's one piece of the puzzle, both from a humanitarian perspective and from a safety perspective.
But its a much broader issue. As an intelligent, reasonable female, even though you are worldly and wise, being a male is a different beast. (sorry for Wales, too tired to search more)
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I'm sure we could dig into the statistics but men are so much more likely to be violent and "bad" that it's hard to even know where to begin with it. And to many men it's just part of them whether they express it or not, it's not that they are setting out to be "evil". Our society and rules have to limit destructive access to more than just "the mentally ill", and most developed countries around the world agree. I don't have the emotional energy to get into a big debate on that, just wanted to throw it out there for consideration.
 
Threegoofs said:
It’s not hard to understand the cause.

But until the gun crowd is able to grasp that easy availability is the problem, it’s not useful to talk about solutions, because your response will always come back to ‘but that won’t solve the problem!’.
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If it turns out that the shooter had a licensed fully automatic weapon, then "easy availability" doesn't even come into play.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
How many times do you hear about some crazy Bubba or Jim Bob firing a machine gun into a crowd of people? Not very often. These kind of shootings with many scores of deaths would happen a lot more often if "freedumb" demanded we be allowed to purchase machine guns. But instead they have to settle for non-machine gun assault weapons.

So now that we've established gun bans work, what's more important: people's lives or "freedumb" and "liberteh"?
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prove it was bubba or jim bob ol yea you can't.
no gun bans don't work but continue to think this way.

what gun ban would have prevented this? none.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Gun nuts believe it's rarely a good time to talk about regulation, and NEVER when one of their number has just shot some people
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so again what regulation would have prevented this?
he evidently was a nut job with a mission. he would have found way to do it regardless.

why he did it is still a mystery and police are not sure.
 
TheGoverness said:
I agree. I think our society should focus much more on rehabilitation, to prevent people from doing things like this.
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might not be mental illness. i remember all the postal shooting growing up. hence the term he went postal came about.
this guy had issues but might not be connected to mental illness.

something triggered him though. some people just go crazy for the short term.
although the fact he killed himself would lean in your direction we just need to find the trigger.
 
Threegoofs said:
It’s not hard to understand the cause.

But until the gun crowd is able to grasp that easy availability is the problem, it’s not useful to talk about solutions, because your response will always come back to ‘but that won’t solve the problem!’.

It’s like the guy who denies saturated fat is a health problem and demands to know which cut of steak should be banned.
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Typical nonsense - say something is not hard (to solve?) and then say that it is hard to propose a solution when asked for it. Whether I, or anyone else, may like your easy solution is no reason not to state it. Many, like you, constantly assert that reasonable "gun control" laws would have worked to prevent case X yet are rarely, if ever, offer details.
 
Threegoofs said:
It’s not hard to understand the cause.

But until the gun crowd is able to grasp that easy availability is the problem, it’s not useful to talk about solutions, because your response will always come back to ‘but that won’t solve the problem!’.

It’s like the guy who denies saturated fat is a health problem and demands to know which cut of steak should be banned.
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When a society allows its citizens to have firearms, then there will be a certain amount of firearm related crime. It's a consequence of the freedom. All freedoms can, and given enough people, will be abused and even used for crimes in some way. Guns have the starkest effect, but it all exists. Free isn't safe, by its very nature it cannot be.

It does seem that the occurrence of these events is growing in frequency, it's hard to say if that's real or if our reporting has gotten better or if it's some add-mixture. Likely the latter. And while we can take certain steps to try to reduce the probabilities, the probabilities can never be zero; particularly in a free society.
 
Rucker61 said:
If it turns out that the shooter had a licensed fully automatic weapon, then "easy availability" doesn't even come into play.
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In the state of Nevada it is legal to own fully automatic weapons.
They are hard to get though because you must buy it from a class 3 dealer.
You have to submit a federal background check that can take up to 8 months.

it also costs 250 bucks for the federal tax stamp which you have to have for each and every full auto gun you have.
so a full auto m16 will set you back about 15000 dollars. also it has to be made before 1986.
 
TheGoverness said:
Here we go....
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the gun banners cannot wait for the facts to come out before they gleefully use the blood of the innocents to try to blot out constitutional rights. Guess what=firing on a mass of country music fans was probably designed to kill basically conservative white Christian middle class people who tend to be the most prevalent fans of that sort of music.

it did sound like Automatic weapons though it could have been a crank activator you can put on a rifle. It will be interesting to see, with all the cameras, how the man got 10 rifles into a hotel room
 
Aristaeus said:
Yep. But to be fair, no more disgusting than the pro-gunners after Sandy Hook.
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what are you talking about? The NRA was blasted for not saying anything
 
Today is the worst day in the history of Las Vegas.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Screw this "well, people just died!" stuff.

People can send "thoughts and prayers", but we can't talk about something that will actually save lives? I'm done playing this dumb game.
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good, I look forward to you going door to door grabbing guns from people. Start with a few Vietnam era Green Beret or some 1% Bikers
 
TurtleDude said:
the gun banners cannot wait for the facts to come out before they gleefully use the blood of the innocents to try to blot out constitutional rights. Guess what=firing on a mass of country music fans was probably designed to kill basically conservative white Christian middle class people who tend to be the most prevalent fans of that sort of music.

it did sound like Automatic weapons though it could have been a crank activator you can put on a rifle. It will be interesting to see, with all the cameras, how the man got 10 rifles into a hotel room
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Thank you for all your posts of support for the victims and their families
 
Threegoofs said:
Fact is.... that this is a recurrent issue in the US. Mass shootings are common events.

Other developed nations don’t have these things happen often.

And the reason why is quite clearly the easy availability of firearms in the US.

This isn’t hard, dude.
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lets think this through. the guy was there since Thursday/ He managed to have ten guns in his room. what does that tell you? what sort of law would have stopped this sort of meticulously plotted massacre
 
vegas giants said:
Thank you for all your posts of support for the victims and their families
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these sort of tragedies bring the gun banners out into the sunlight. why aren't you complaining about those who want to use the blood of innocents to advance their disgusting agenda?
 
TurtleDude said:
these sort of tragedies bring the gun banners out into the sunlight. why aren't you complaining about those who want to use the blood of innocents to advance their disgusting agenda?
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This is just disgusting.....you should be ashamed. We don't even know if all our friends are alive yet. Disgusting
 
vegas giants said:
This is just disgusting.....you should be ashamed. We don't even know if all our friends are alive yet. Disgusting
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Stop the lies and the stupidity. You are the one who is trying to use this tragedy to bash others, not me
 
vegas giants said:
Horrible. Just horrible
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yes the tragedy is awful. Its also awful watching people trying to use the deaths of innocents to advance their agenda before we even know all the facts.
 
TurtleDude said:
yes the tragedy is awful. Its also awful watching people trying to use the deaths of innocents to advance their agenda before we even know all the facts.
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Take a day off. Let us bury our dead
 
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