• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Carrying Concealed Today

blackjack50

blackjack50

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 14, 2011
Messages
26,629
Reaction score
6,661
Location
Florida
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Conservative
I am carrying a weapon out into public today. I will visits a restaurant, a Walmart, and a pet store. This is an experiment to determine the danger of concealed carry to society. I will be carrying a sub compact 9mm with a "very dangerous" number of rounds...13 and a spare magazine with 16. They are specially designed rounds called hollow points... they are also additionally modified to be fired out of a shorter barrel handgun. Now let us determine the risk that I posed to society. I will update with the results.

This is a thread to discuss concealed carry and how and why someone should or would do it (legally). If you believe someone needs a reason...please let us know why. What reasons are acceptable? If you believe it is entirely unacceptable please let us know why. This thread is to give us an idea of how you feel on the topic and why you feel that way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
blackjack50 said:
I am carrying a weapon out into public today. I will visits a restaurant, a Walmart, and a pet store. This is an experiment to determine the danger of concealed carry to society. I will be carrying a sub compact 9mm with a "very dangerous" number of rounds...13 and a spare magazine with 16. They are specially designed rounds called hollow points... they are also additionally modified to be fired out of a shorter barrel handgun. Now let us determine the risk that I posed to society. I will update with the results.

This is a thread to discuss concealed carry and how and why someone should or would do it (legally). If you believe someone needs a reason...please let us know why. What reasons are acceptable? If you believe it is entirely unacceptable please let us know why. This thread is to give us an idea of how you feel on the topic and why you feel that way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I have been carrying concealed for 17 years now....My state is an open/concealed carry state, and to date, the biggest issue I have had was the holster wearing a small spot on the right side of my seat in my vehicle.
 
blackjack50 said:
I am carrying a weapon out into public today. I will visits a restaurant, a Walmart, and a pet store. This is an experiment to determine the danger of concealed carry to society. I will be carrying a sub compact 9mm with a "very dangerous" number of rounds...13 and a spare magazine with 16. They are specially designed rounds called hollow points... they are also additionally modified to be fired out of a shorter barrel handgun. Now let us determine the risk that I posed to society. I will update with the results.

This is a thread to discuss concealed carry and how and why someone should or would do it (legally). If you believe someone needs a reason...please let us know why. What reasons are acceptable? If you believe it is entirely unacceptable please let us know why. This thread is to give us an idea of how you feel on the topic and why you feel that way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I think it's a silly "experiment". Carrying concealed in and of itself presents no additional danger than nominal. You don't need a reason for it, it is your right to do so, exercise away (in fact, I always argue that one shouldn't be required to get a concealed carry permit, open and concealed carry should be considered standard). But I mean if your point is that you're going to carry and keep it concealed at all points, how much more dangerous is it. Well it's really not. Now you aggregate it to higher levels of individuals, you will likely start to shift probability densities, but such are the risks of freedom.
 
Polar Bum said:
I have been carrying concealed for 17 years now....My state is an open/concealed carry state, and to date, the biggest issue I have had was the holster wearing a small spot on the right side of my seat in my vehicle.
Click to expand...

Lol. Yea. I've been carrying for 7 years. To date my biggest issues have been my constant weight shifts making it hard to keep my clothing fitting. And of course...the inevitable search for the best holster. I found the best belt day 1 lol.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Ikari said:
I think it's a silly "experiment". Carrying concealed in and of itself presents no additional danger than nominal. You don't need a reason for it, it is your right to do so, exercise away (in fact, I always argue that one shouldn't be required to get a concealed carry permit, open and concealed carry should be considered standard). But I mean if your point is that you're going to carry and keep it concealed at all points, how much more dangerous is it. Well it's really not. Now you aggregate it to higher levels of individuals, you will likely start to shift probability densities, but such are the risks of freedom.
Click to expand...

Shhhhh.... don't ruin the fantasy.
 
blackjack50 said:
I am carrying a weapon out into public today. I will visits a restaurant, a Walmart, and a pet store. This is an experiment to determine the danger of concealed carry to society. I will be carrying a sub compact 9mm with a "very dangerous" number of rounds...13 and a spare magazine with 16. They are specially designed rounds called hollow points... they are also additionally modified to be fired out of a shorter barrel handgun. Now let us determine the risk that I posed to society. I will update with the results.

This is a thread to discuss concealed carry and how and why someone should or would do it (legally). If you believe someone needs a reason...please let us know why. What reasons are acceptable? If you believe it is entirely unacceptable please let us know why. This thread is to give us an idea of how you feel on the topic and why you feel that way.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I don't think anyone needs a reason to carry, but I think some legal concealed carriers shouldn't be doing so. If one isn't practiced and competent, I think that's a,reason not to CC. If there is any chance of drinking, I don't think one should be carrying. If one doesn't practice regularly, I don't think they should either.

In my opinion, carrying a concealed weapon is an awesome responsibility. It shouldn't be done just because one can.

Il'll also add that those competent practiced people who CC are a great asset to society.
 
blackjack50 said:
I am carrying a weapon out into public today. I will visits a restaurant, a Walmart, and a pet store. This is an experiment to determine the danger of concealed carry to society. I will be carrying a sub compact 9mm with a "very dangerous" number of rounds...13 and a spare magazine with 16. They are specially designed rounds called hollow points... they are also additionally modified to be fired out of a shorter barrel handgun. Now let us determine the risk that I posed to society. I will update with the results.

This is a thread to discuss concealed carry and how and why someone should or would do it (legally). If you believe someone needs a reason...please let us know why. What reasons are acceptable? If you believe it is entirely unacceptable please let us know why. This thread is to give us an idea of how you feel on the topic and why you feel that way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I feel that it's not an issue with some folks and for other folks it makes them extra aggressive knowing they have the gun with them at all times.

I'm sorry but I don't want to figure out which conceal and carry person it is after I accidently cut someone off in traffic or get in an argument at a store.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't think anyone needs a reason to carry, but I think some legal concealed carriers shouldn't be doing so. If one isn't practiced and competent, I think that's a,reason not to CC. If there is any chance of drinking, I don't think one should be carrying. If one doesn't practice regularly, I don't think they should either.

In my opinion, carrying a concealed weapon is an awesome responsibility. It shouldn't be done just because one can.

Il'll also add that those competent practiced people who CC are a great asset to society.
Click to expand...

I have found that open carry can sometimes have its uses, but, by and large, your best defense is the bad guys not knowing you are armed......actually, no one should know; the last thing I ever want to hear is "Look, a robbery, get out your gun!" :doh

Nice way to draw unwanted attention to yourself.
 
Polar Bum said:
I have found that open carry can sometimes have its uses, but, by and large, your best defense is the bad guys not knowing you are armed......actually, no one should know; the last thing I ever want to hear is "Look, a robbery, get out your gun!" :doh

Nice way to draw unwanted attention to yourself.
Click to expand...

I think your observation is the reason why cops don't go out to dinner with their families or out in public with them in general while they're in uniform.
 
MaggieD said:
I think your observation is the reason why cops don't go out to dinner with their families or out in public with them in general while they're in uniform.
Click to expand...

Nobody wants to be the first target......and openly carrying can have that effect.
 
Ikari said:
I think it's a silly "experiment". Carrying concealed in and of itself presents no additional danger than nominal. You don't need a reason for it, it is your right to do so, exercise away (in fact, I always argue that one shouldn't be required to get a concealed carry permit, open and concealed carry should be considered standard). But I mean if your point is that you're going to carry and keep it concealed at all points, how much more dangerous is it. Well it's really not. Now you aggregate it to higher levels of individuals, you will likely start to shift probability densities, but such are the risks of freedom.
Click to expand...

That is my primary point. My odds as an individual are almost nil or needing the gun. As are my odds of being a danger. It is a silly experiment I know. But intentionally so. And funny enough I did call the police a few minutes ago. An erratic driver (burning out, speeding, and swerving) in a parking lot almost hit a dog on a leash and then an older gentlemen in a wheel chair. I doubt anything will happen. But maybe?

Anyway. As I have said about you before...I may not always agree with you...but you are amongst the most consistent posters on the board with your views on freedom.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
iliveonramen said:
I feel that it's not an issue with some folks and for other folks it makes them extra aggressive knowing they have the gun with them at all times.
Click to expand...

I think it makes them extra cautious.

I'm sorry but I don't want to figure out which conceal and carry person it is after I accidently cut someone off in traffic or get in an argument at a store.
Click to expand...

You're in more danger from the car itself or an illegally carried gun.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't think anyone needs a reason to carry, but I think some legal concealed carriers shouldn't be doing so. If one isn't practiced and competent, I think that's a,reason not to CC. If there is any chance of drinking, I don't think one should be carrying. If one doesn't practice regularly, I don't think they should either.

In my opinion, carrying a concealed weapon is an awesome responsibility. It shouldn't be done just because one can.

Il'll also add that those competent practiced people who CC are a great asset to society.
Click to expand...

I can agree. My problem comes when we discuss training and what works. I want more training. But it is expensive. So my practice is relegated to my martial arts training and my time on private property doing drills. I think the greatest asset to an individual carrier...more so than actual classroom time...is knowing your limits. I'm not going to take a shot at 75 yards in a crowded area. I am also not John wick taking on 30 guys with 30 bullets and 32 head shots lol.

But if someone closes the gap to try and harm me or family at close range... I have a very good chance of fighting back. Better than most people. Even most carriers. I am not quick draw McGraw. But I am very good at knocking people down. And I love learning dirty fighting techniques. It is an area I think many people under value. But I would still rather use a gun than get into fisticuffs with someone who is hell-bent on harming me or family.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
blackjack50 said:
Lol. Yea. I've been carrying for 7 years. To date my biggest issues have been my constant weight shifts making it hard to keep my clothing fitting. And of course...the inevitable search for the best holster. I found the best belt day 1 lol.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
I started carrying in 1983 or so Then again in 04 when Ohio legalized it. I could carry conceal starting in 85 in Ohio after I moved back here since from 85 on, I was considered law enforcement under the Ohio revised code
 
iliveonramen said:
I feel that it's not an issue with some folks and for other folks it makes them extra aggressive knowing they have the gun with them at all times.

I'm sorry but I don't want to figure out which conceal and carry person it is after I accidently cut someone off in traffic or get in an argument at a store.
Click to expand...

I remember when Ohio, and other states, decided to issue CCW permits. WE heard from the opponents about this perceived scenario constantly. Every state that was debating allowing CCW heard from groups like the Brady clowns that BLOOD WOULD RUN IN THE STREETS.

it didn't.
 
blackjack50 said:
I am carrying a weapon out into public today. I will visits a restaurant, a Walmart, and a pet store. This is an experiment to determine the danger of concealed carry to society. I will be carrying a sub compact 9mm with a "very dangerous" number of rounds...13 and a spare magazine with 16. They are specially designed rounds called hollow points... they are also additionally modified to be fired out of a shorter barrel handgun. Now let us determine the risk that I posed to society. I will update with the results.

This is a thread to discuss concealed carry and how and why someone should or would do it (legally). If you believe someone needs a reason...please let us know why. What reasons are acceptable? If you believe it is entirely unacceptable please let us know why. This thread is to give us an idea of how you feel on the topic and why you feel that way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

You are obviously white. A black man carrying a gun is automatically seen as a threat, even if they have a concealed carry permit. Just ask Philando Castile.

Now personally, I don't care. Though I can't imagine feeling so unsafe in public that You would feel the need to carry a gun everywhere.
 
I am completely fine with CC but I don't agree with having to obtain a permit for CC. IMO that in an infringement on the 2nd Amendment.

I would also like to have the option to OC aka open carry; also without the requirement of a permit to do so.

****ing politicians ...........
 
Last edited:
Update: I'm home. Nothing happened.

Shocker right? Not really.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
TurtleDude said:
I remember when Ohio, and other states, decided to issue CCW permits. WE heard from the opponents about this perceived scenario constantly. Every state that was debating allowing CCW heard from groups like the Brady clowns that BLOOD WOULD RUN IN THE STREETS.

it didn't.
Click to expand...

I can't speak for the "Brady clowns" and blood running in the streets. I will say that it makes me wary of any guy 50 + with a pot belly as they seem to usually carry.
 
cuban smokes said:
I am completely fine with CC but I don't agree with having to obtain a permit for CC. IMO that in an infringement on the 2nd Amendment.

I would also like to have the option to OC aka open carry; also without the requirement of a permit to do so.

****ing politicians ...........
Click to expand...

Are you in Florida then? We have 5 different reasons to open carry from my understanding. And that is it. I don't know if I'm for it. Maybe not in city limits. I don't know. We have a few other laws to iron out before that one IMO.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
iliveonramen said:
Of course, just like your chances of ever having to use a gun to defend yourself is very very very low.
Click to expand...

Thankfully. That need does occur, however. When you need a gun, you really need a gun.
 
blackjack50 said:
Are you in Florida then? We have 5 different reasons to open carry from my understanding. And that is it. I don't know if I'm for it. Maybe not in city limits. I don't know. We have a few other laws to iron out before that one IMO.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...


just below my avatar ........................

Join Date:Feb 2017
Location:Midwest USA ..... soon Florida .....
Last Seen:Today @ 10:27 AM
Gender: Lean:Libertarian
Posts:3,395
Likes (Given):1900
Likes (Received):967
 
Ikari said:
I think it's a silly "experiment". Carrying concealed in and of itself presents no additional danger than nominal. You don't need a reason for it, it is your right to do so, exercise away (in fact, I always argue that one shouldn't be required to get a concealed carry permit, open and concealed carry should be considered standard). But I mean if your point is that you're going to carry and keep it concealed at all points, how much more dangerous is it. Well it's really not. Now you aggregate it to higher levels of individuals, you will likely start to shift probability densities, but such are the risks of freedom.
Click to expand...

These two are in conflict:

"Carrying concealed in and of itself presents no additional danger than nominal."

"Now you aggregate it to higher levels of individuals, you will likely start to shift probability densities, but such are the risks of freedom."
 
blackjack50 said:
I am carrying a weapon out into public today. I will visits a restaurant, a Walmart, and a pet store. This is an experiment to determine the danger of concealed carry to society. I will be carrying a sub compact 9mm with a "very dangerous" number of rounds...13 and a spare magazine with 16. They are specially designed rounds called hollow points... they are also additionally modified to be fired out of a shorter barrel handgun. Now let us determine the risk that I posed to society. I will update with the results.

This is a thread to discuss concealed carry and how and why someone should or would do it (legally). If you believe someone needs a reason...please let us know why. What reasons are acceptable? If you believe it is entirely unacceptable please let us know why. This thread is to give us an idea of how you feel on the topic and why you feel that way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

Well, here's hoping you don't shoot anybody!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom