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Carrying Concealed Today

blackjack50 said:
I am carrying a weapon out into public today. I will visits a restaurant, a Walmart, and a pet store. This is an experiment to determine the danger of concealed carry to society. I will be carrying a sub compact 9mm with a "very dangerous" number of rounds...13 and a spare magazine with 16. They are specially designed rounds called hollow points... they are also additionally modified to be fired out of a shorter barrel handgun. Now let us determine the risk that I posed to society. I will update with the results.

This is a thread to discuss concealed carry and how and why someone should or would do it (legally). If you believe someone needs a reason...please let us know why. What reasons are acceptable? If you believe it is entirely unacceptable please let us know why. This thread is to give us an idea of how you feel on the topic and why you feel that way.


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I will participate also.


My son and I went out a few days ago to the movies to the Stephen King remake of "IT". We also went out to dinner.

We were both armed. I had a .357 sig and a spare mag holder with 2 magazines, for a total of 25 rounds. Hollowpoints naturally. I won't specify what Son#1 had on him as he isn't present to give me permission to divulge, but he had a firearm also.

Well we watched the movie and we had dinner and stopped at the store and went home and no one was shot.


Oddly enough we do this quite frequently and no one has yet gotten perforated.

In fact I've been carrying over 30 years and have yet to do unlawful or unjust harm to my fellow man thereby. Hard to believe, ain't it.

:coffeepap
 
iliveonramen said:
Of course, just like your chances of ever having to use a gun to defend yourself is very very very low.
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I've already had several incidents where I deterred someone from committing a crime by being armed. That's more than most people, but it has to do with where I live, along with certain choices I've made to protect good people from bad.


Deterrence counts as use, b/c without being armed deterrence would have been much more improbable, and actually more likely someone would get hurt.
 
rocket88 said:
Right. Cops are never wrong.

I bet you can usually control your bladder too...until the one time you can't. Maybe you should wear a diaper too.
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I notice that your snarky replies give away that you can't really defend your position as to why I shouldn't carry. You just don't like it. It is a common occurrence from beta like you. It threatens you. But rather than respond with intelligence and an open conflict...you respond with the passive aggressive snark. So please keep it up with the beta male response. You may think you are being clever...but all I am reading is your fear.

My ability to protect my family and myself is a threat to you as a beta. Hilarious.


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Polar Bum said:
Nobody wants to be the first target......and openly carrying can have that effect.
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You also don't want to be the last target, "When the police are looking for a guy with a gun, don't be one." - Massad Ayoob
 
Spartacus FPV said:
You also don't want to be the last target, "When the police are looking for a guy with a gun, don't be one." - Massad Ayoob
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Don't care who fires the first shot, as long as I am the one the fires the last shot.
 
blackjack50 said:
Very nice area. Destin is real nice. Good fishing too.


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when I was a wee tike my family used to vacation in Destin every summer; back then Destin was a one location Mom & Pop motel kinda location ........ a very laid back, cool place

I still remember the old ice house across the street from the church ............ those were the daze ...............

now Destin is an insane CONDO city ............. but yeah, if you like seafood that whole NW coast is it :cool: .............. and I like Nawlins too :mrgreen: ...........
 
iliveonramen said:
I feel that it's not an issue with some folks and for other folks it makes them extra aggressive knowing they have the gun with them at all times.

I'm sorry but I don't want to figure out which conceal and carry person it is after I accidently cut someone off in traffic or get in an argument at a store.
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Do you actually know someone who becomes more or less aggressive when carrying a weapon? I don't.
 
cuban smokes said:
when I was a wee tike my family used to vacation in Destin every summer; back then Destin was a one location Mom & Pop motel kinda location ........ a very laid back, cool place

I still remember the old ice house across the street from the church ............ those were the daze ...............

now Destin is an insane CONDO city ............. but yeah, if you like seafood that whole NW coast is it :cool: .............. and I like Nawlins too :mrgreen: ...........
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Yep. Oysters especially. It is kinda sad looking back at the history there. It used to be such a rich and vibrant area with lots of money and goods going in and out and to the big easy. But no more shipping goods there now. Not really.


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blackjack50 said:
Yep. Oysters especially. It is kinda sad looking back at the history there. It used to be such a rich and vibrant area with lots of money and goods going in and out and to the big easy. But no more shipping goods there now. Not really.


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what is the bolded part? shipping goods?
 
rocket88 said:
You are obviously white. A black man carrying a gun is automatically seen as a threat, even if they have a concealed carry permit. Just ask Philando Castile.

Now personally, I don't care. Though I can't imagine feeling so unsafe in public that You would feel the need to carry a gun everywhere.
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I question whether a black man carrying is automatically seen as a threat. Particularly if they are CC permitted. A black man waving a fancied up .9mm with his pants around his ankles, and yelling kill the whitey, different issue. But that would apply to a white man also.
 
cuban smokes said:
what is the bolded part? shipping goods?
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Like they did in the old days on ships. NW Florida used to be a major port and one of the largest areas in the state. Lots of money and jobs. That is no longer the case. The ports there aren't relevant. Not really.


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jimbo said:
I question whether a black man carrying is automatically seen as a threat. Particularly if they are CC permitted. A black man waving a fancied up .9mm with his pants around his ankles, and yelling kill the whitey, different issue. But that would apply to a white man also.
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A white guy yelling kill Whitey would probably be treated as suicidal.


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Polar Bum said:
Nobody wants to be the first target......and openly carrying can have that effect.
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OTOH, open carry can serve notice that the threat will be met. Possibly deterring the threat. Each situation is different.

When my job involved entering vacant and boarded up homes in high crime areas with dealers on the corner, I open carried, and carried the largest handgun I could buy. As you say, nobody wanted to be first.
 
blackjack50 said:
Like they did in the old days on ships. NW Florida used to be a major port and one of the largest areas in the state. Lots of money and jobs. That is no longer the case. The ports there aren't relevant. Not really.


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OK, gotcha .............. that must have ended before the 1960s?
 
cuban smokes said:
OK, gotcha .............. that must have ended before the 1960s?
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Yea. About dead at that time. I have family there in that area (Tallanasty to Pcola). They used the big drivers there for easy shipping goods up to Georgia. Everything from tobacco and cotton to tomatoes and other food crops. There is a lot of history there. Just a bunch of poor fishing towns now. Some of them are coming back because people are tired of the south Florida east coast beach vibe. They want to see the nature coast. I get it. :)


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blackjack50 said:
I am carrying a weapon out into public today. I will visits a restaurant, a Walmart, and a pet store. This is an experiment to determine the danger of concealed carry to society. I will be carrying a sub compact 9mm with a "very dangerous" number of rounds...13 and a spare magazine with 16. They are specially designed rounds called hollow points... they are also additionally modified to be fired out of a shorter barrel handgun. Now let us determine the risk that I posed to society. I will update with the results.

This is a thread to discuss concealed carry and how and why someone should or would do it (legally). If you believe someone needs a reason...please let us know why. What reasons are acceptable? If you believe it is entirely unacceptable please let us know why. This thread is to give us an idea of how you feel on the topic and why you feel that way.


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Kinda silly experiment...many of us have been doing so for yrs

The fact that it's concealed means (and proves your point I guess?) that it has no general impact on society in public.

Oh, and I dont owe ANYONE a reason why I do so nor does anyone owe me one. I consider it my right. I dont go around justifying my other rights.
 
Lursa said:
Kinda silly experiment...many of us have been doing so for yrs

The fact that it's concealed means (and proves your point I guess?) that it has no general impact on society in public.

Oh, and I dont owe ANYONE a reason why I do so nor does anyone owe me one. I consider it my right. I dont go around justifying my other rights.
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Unfortunately there are those now that believe we must justify our rights. And the only justification I need is...piss off. And that is kinda my point. If you don't know it is there...then why get angry about it?
 
TurtleDude said:
I agree, its not 100% risk free. but the statistics developed over 20+ years (when most states started allowing CCW with shall issue licenses) is that CCW permit holders are extremely law abiding (more so than cops when it comes to wrongful shootings) and the overall benefit from CCW is far above the deleterious incidents. are there cases of CCW holders engaging in negligent or outright illegal actions with firearms-YES. but on the whole the balance is highly in the favor of people packing legally
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Yeah, it seems to me courts hold civilians with concealed carry permits to a high standard than city cops. If 3 men carrying open or concealed drew their firearms, and ordered a man to drop his weapon, and then 3 seconds latter the 3 of them pumped 15 bullets into the guy. If the man (now dead likely) was discovered to have only been holding a writing pen or a cellphone, then I'm pretty confident all 3 men would not only find themselves arrested but after their court trials finally end I think they would end up in prison.

I'm not talking about a guy which you may believe has a sharp object (weapon or potential to use as a weapon) on him, even if it turns out to be a writing pen, and the guy is a few feet away from you. At very close distance, on initial attack, a knife beats a holstered gun. But rather... I am talking about distance between you and the person when say he is about the distance of one or two mid sized cars away from you. Let alone that far in distance from all 3 of you who now have your firearms drawn and trained on him.
 
iliveonramen said:
I feel that it's not an issue with some folks and for other folks it makes them extra aggressive knowing they have the gun with them at all times.

I'm sorry but I don't want to figure out which conceal and carry person it is after I accidently cut someone off in traffic or get in an argument at a store.
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Methinks you have a far greater problem figuring out whether that person you cut off is an aggressive driver than you do figuring out whether an aggressvie driver is carrying a weapon.
 
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