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has a piece tonight on arming teachers. The training facility showing in this clip is the top place for this sort of training in the USA. When I can find the clip I will post it. They have an anti gun teacher interviewed who emotobabbled against it but I give credit to the CBS reporter-she correctly noted that while the teachers have to pass the OPOTA (Ohio Peace Officers Training Academy) standards to complete the course, they must score 90% or better while the police only need 80%. the training is run by Tactical Defense Institute of Ohio and the director, former Army MP and later, Hamilton County SWAT team leader, John Benner, is a world renowned expert on active shooters.
 
I'll be interested to see this. If I recall correctly, a few years back CBS did a similar piece to show that a person carrying concealed wouldn't be effective against an attacker. However, when they ran the scenarios it became obvious that they placed the CCW principle in the same seat every time they ran the scenario. That indicated that the aggressor actor knew in advance where the CCW was prior to entering the room. In short, it was an obviously biased piece designed specifically to promote a certain agenda. I sincerely hope that this is more honest.
 
has a piece tonight on arming teachers. The training facility showing in this clip is the top place for this sort of training in the USA. When I can find the clip I will post it. They have an anti gun teacher interviewed who emotobabbled against it but I give credit to the CBS reporter-she correctly noted that while the teachers have to pass the OPOTA (Ohio Peace Officers Training Academy) standards to complete the course, they must score 90% or better while the police only need 80%. the training is run by Tactical Defense Institute of Ohio and the director, former Army MP and later, Hamilton County SWAT team leader, John Benner, is a world renowned expert on active shooters.

Teachers have to be a better shot than police, that's smart....
 
For the record, my post above cites CBS. The video I had in mind was an ABC production.

 
I'll be interested to see this. If I recall correctly, a few years back CBS did a similar piece to show that a person carrying concealed wouldn't be effective against an attacker. However, when they ran the scenarios it became obvious that they placed the CCW principle in the same seat every time they ran the scenario. That indicated that the aggressor actor knew in advance where the CCW was prior to entering the room. In short, it was an obviously biased piece designed specifically to promote a certain agenda. I sincerely hope that this is more honest.

I thought it was someone else and it was a complete joke. this report was pretty neutral. indeed it looked pro carry since the opposition was emotobabbling and her main credentials apparently as being at SandyHook. One teacher was told that in the live fire house (BTW I have been to that facility as both an instructor and a student dozens of times and I think I am one of few who has never shot a "hostage") a teacher shot a "student" and wouldn't that cut against the arming of teachers. he gave a very rational argument-no because it might be that the teacher saves dozens. If you ever saw the fairly realistic Charles Bronson ( three or four movies were made, his was the best IMHO because I have personally heard Dr Netanyahu lecture on the incident) Raid on Entebbe incident, the IDF I think shot one or two hostages by accident when they jumped up after the IDF yelled stay down. regrettable but the operation saved dozens.
 
For the record, my post above cites CBS. The video I had in mind was an ABC production.



yeah that was a joke-the gloves for example. telling the "bad guy" who was the armed individual. the cops who thought that was valid would have done just as badly.
 
For the record, my post above cites CBS. The video I had in mind was an ABC production.




I remember that special. The instructor playing the bad guy knew who was armed and where he was sitting. CCWer was set up to fail from the get go.
 
has a piece tonight on arming teachers. The training facility showing in this clip is the top place for this sort of training in the USA. When I can find the clip I will post it. They have an anti gun teacher interviewed who emotobabbled against it but I give credit to the CBS reporter-she correctly noted that while the teachers have to pass the OPOTA (Ohio Peace Officers Training Academy) standards to complete the course, they must score 90% or better while the police only need 80%. the training is run by Tactical Defense Institute of Ohio and the director, former Army MP and later, Hamilton County SWAT team leader, John Benner, is a world renowned expert on active shooters.

Question- is having passed this course likely to become a prerequisite for employment?
 
Question- is having passed this course likely to become a prerequisite for employment?

no not that I am aware of. its voluntary for teachers who are in districts that allow teachers to pack if they pass the training. From what I have been told (since I know the trainers) no one is required to carry in those districts.
 
no not that I am aware of. its voluntary for teachers who are in districts that allow teachers to pack if they pass the training. From what I have been told (since I know the trainers) no one is required to carry in those districts.

Okay, long as it stays that way. If the question 'have you passed the course' ever shows up in an interview you might have a problem, vis-a-vis the best teacher for the job.
 
Okay, long as it stays that way. If the question 'have you passed the course' ever shows up in an interview you might have a problem, vis-a-vis the best teacher for the job.

I don't think any system in ohio is making packing heat a requirement to be a teacher. ITs a voluntary extra-job duty that you can do if you want but only if you have a CCW and pass this training
 
Question- is having passed this course likely to become a prerequisite for employment?

Not likely. A decision like that would most likely be up to the state and local authorities. It wouldn't be surprising, however, if completion of such a course is made a prerequisite for carrying in the classroom.
 
Not likely. A decision like that would most likely be up to the state and local authorities. It wouldn't be surprising, however, if completion of such a course is made a prerequisite for carrying in the classroom.

I believe that is the case with some districts-others require a ccw. I have over 160 hours of training there and was a instructor (the original owners called the place Tactical Training Institute: after about 7 years or so, some of the original owners-for one reason or another (including famous Joy of Cooking Author and Heir and well known tactical knife designer, Ethan Becker, decided to sell the operation to one of the partners, John Benner. at that point it became TDI but in the transition, he was lacking instructors so I helped out on several courses until he was able to get more full time instructors) for several courses. Great place.
 
Okay, long as it stays that way. If the question 'have you passed the course' ever shows up in an interview you might have a problem, vis-a-vis the best teacher for the job.

I know that some rural districts here in Colorado are trying to get permission to arm staff, and it's never been presented as anything but voluntary.
 
Not likely. A decision like that would most likely be up to the state and local authorities. It wouldn't be surprising, however, if completion of such a course is made a prerequisite for carrying in the classroom.

Yeah, of course. That works. My only concern was if completing the course could be a consideration when there's a half-dozen applicants for the same job.
 
Yeah, of course. That works. My only concern was if completing the course could be a consideration when there's a half-dozen applicants for the same job.

That's an interesting point. If the hiring managers felt that everyone was close enough that some additional factor would favor one candidate over another, it could be possible that ability to carry might win out. It's likely that most teachers wouldn't want to teach at a school where anyone had a gun, though.
 
I don't think any system in ohio is making packing heat a requirement to be a teacher. ITs a voluntary extra-job duty that you can do if you want but only if you have a CCW and pass this training

I get it. Not a requirement, that's right. But if having passed the course is a leg-up, if it's ever seen as another qualification, then you have a problem.
 
I get it. Not a requirement, that's right. But if having passed the course is a leg-up, if it's ever seen as another qualification, then you have a problem.

Why would that be a problem, any more than having passed a course to drive a school bus?
 
That's an interesting point. If the hiring managers felt that everyone was close enough that some additional factor would favor one candidate over another, it could be possible that ability to carry might win out. It's likely that most teachers wouldn't want to teach at a school where anyone had a gun, though.

That's what I mean. It shouldn't be part of the equation. The question needs to never come up in an interview.
 
That's what I mean. It shouldn't be part of the equation. The question needs to never come up in an interview.

Why should it never come up in an interview? Should the school also not mention that other teachers may be carrying concealed weapons in an interview?
 
Why would that be a problem, any more than having passed a course to drive a school bus?

Seriously? Weapons training should be a consideration when hiring teachers? So, how much weight do you give it? Does having passed the weapons course trump summer seminars in anthropology when you're interviewing science teachers?
 
Seriously? Weapons training should be a consideration when hiring teachers? So, how much weight do you give it? Does having passed the weapons course trump summer seminars in anthropology when you're interviewing science teachers?

If it's a school that allows and desires that there be an armed presence on campus, and that role isn't currently filled, then why wouldn't it be a qualifier?

The weight it's given is entirely up to the needs of the school. It's their decision.
 
Why should it never come up in an interview? Should the school also not mention that other teachers may be carrying concealed weapons in an interview?

Don't play stupid games with me. I'm saying that having weapons training should not be a prerequisite to employment as a teacher and you bloody well know it. Bus driver training? Other teachers? Go bicker those childish pointlets with someone else.
 
Don't play stupid games with me. I'm saying that having weapons training should not be a prerequisite to employment as a teacher and you bloody well know it.

I accept that as a closely held opinion, but no more. If a school district, due to circumstances, wishes to give weight to such training, it is entirely their choice.
 
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