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I just want to save lives

Bucky

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When the mass shooting happened in Newtown, Connecticut, it rocked me to my core. Adam Lanza had several guns and killed little children.

How many more mass shootings do we have to go through before gun control is enacted? The NRA and gun zealots are so extreme and evil they harass the parents of those who children were killed. Now, that's psychotic.

Our nation is swimming in a flood of guns. The U.S is such a violent country, and it gets exacerbated with the flood of weaponrys in our country.

How the US compares: The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 - the most recent year for comparable statistics - was nearly 30 times that in the UK, at 2.9 per 100,000 compared with just 0.1.

Of all the murders in the US in 2012, 60% were by firearm compared with 31% in Canada, 18.2% in Australia, and just 10% in the UK.
Source: UNODC.
Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

Mass shooting in the U.S is not rare, and the killers are obtaining their guns legally.

8. States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.

In 2011, economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be suggestive:

"The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state," Florida said in 2012. "It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place - assault weapons' bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48)."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.bad73b116267

If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?
 
When the mass shooting happened in Newtown, Connecticut, it rocked me to my core. Adam Lanza had several guns and killed little children.

How many more mass shootings do we have to go through before gun control is enacted? The NRA and gun zealots are so extreme and evil they harass the parents of those who children were killed. Now, that's psychotic.

Our nation is swimming in a flood of guns. The U.S is such a violent country, and it gets exacerbated with the flood of weaponrys in our country.


Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

Mass shooting in the U.S is not rare, and the killers are obtaining their guns legally.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.bad73b116267

If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?



If you really want to save lives, there are many things that kill far more Americans than guns.

Traffic deaths.
Medical malpractice.
Obesity and related health issues like heart disease.


More children die by drowning than by guns. Far more.

More people are killed with knives or hammers than rifles like the AR15... far far more.


These facts call either your knowledge or your motives into question....
 
When the mass shooting happened in Newtown, Connecticut, it rocked me to my core. Adam Lanza had several guns and killed little children.

How many more mass shootings do we have to go through before gun control is enacted? The NRA and gun zealots are so extreme and evil they harass the parents of those who children were killed. Now, that's psychotic.

Our nation is swimming in a flood of guns. The U.S is such a violent country, and it gets exacerbated with the flood of weaponrys in our country.


Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

Mass shooting in the U.S is not rare, and the killers are obtaining their guns legally.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.bad73b116267

If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?

Bold: Adam Lanza obtained those guns by killing his mother and stealing them. Guess what, its already illegal to kill someone and it is illegal to steal. The punishment for killing with a gun is even more severe than killing without a gun ta boot. IE: It is illegal to use a gun to commit a crime...any crime.

Underlined: The only type of gun control that leads to fewer gun-related deaths are those laws which bans pretty much every gun out there. That is not going to happen in the US. Period. All other gun control laws are useless. That has already been proven by the fact that so many that are anti-gun keep demanding for more gun control laws. Fact is that as long as there are guns, there are going to be gun-related deaths. Just like there are pool-related deaths. Vehicle related deaths. Baseball bat related deaths. Bicycle related deaths. I could go on and on and on. Hell, there are even toothpick related deaths. So long as people are out and about there is going to be some kind of death happening.

But here is an idea. How about instead of going after inanimate objects we go after this revolutionary idea of actually addressing societal problems? Such as lack of education? And lack of proper mental health help? Alleviating poverty? You know, the things that actually contribute to decreasing not just gun related deaths, but ALL violent crime when those things are actually addressed? There are plenty of things that can be done to reduce over all violent crime period without once talking about guns, yet where are you on calling for those things? Start addressing those things instead of inanimate objects and I can pretty much guarantee that not only will gun-related deaths statistics will drop, but ALL violent crime will drop and if done properly drop dramatically.

Address the issues, not the symptoms.
 
When the mass shooting happened in Newtown, Connecticut, it rocked me to my core. Adam Lanza had several guns and killed little children.

How many more mass shootings do we have to go through before gun control is enacted? The NRA and gun zealots are so extreme and evil they harass the parents of those who children were killed. Now, that's psychotic.

Our nation is swimming in a flood of guns. The U.S is such a violent country, and it gets exacerbated with the flood of weaponrys in our country.


Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

Mass shooting in the U.S is not rare, and the killers are obtaining their guns legally.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.bad73b116267

If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?

Young Lanza killed his own mother to steal the guns right?

Please explain how gun control applies to Sandy Hook.
 
When the mass shooting happened in Newtown, Connecticut, it rocked me to my core. Adam Lanza had several guns and killed little children.

How many more mass shootings do we have to go through before gun control is enacted? The NRA and gun zealots are so extreme and evil they harass the parents of those who children were killed. Now, that's psychotic.

Our nation is swimming in a flood of guns. The U.S is such a violent country, and it gets exacerbated with the flood of weaponrys in our country.


Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

Mass shooting in the U.S is not rare, and the killers are obtaining their guns legally.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.bad73b116267

If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?

What sort of gun control would you like to see, and specifically how would it prevent mass shootings?
 
I just want to save lives

No you don't, you want to punish law abiding citizens for the actions of criminals. Guns save lives more than they take them. If you truly wanted to save lives, you would want to find solutions that didn't harm law abiding citizens.
 
If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?

You really need to consider that the numbers they are giving you are not broken down by "illegal" vs "legal" guns/owners. I'm not saying ALL gun deaths are from illegally obtained guns, don't confuse. But I bet the majority are. So, stricter gun control laws are only for people who actually obey laws. I'm not into punishing people who obey laws.

How about harsher punishment for the criminals who have illegal guns?
 
This sad bull**** again...

How many times will anti-gun crusaders use emotional appeals to push their agenda?

Background checks...were implemented in the purchase of the weapons used at Sandy Hook.
Assault rifle bans...useless since as you acknowledge there were 4 weapons used, only one of which was an 'assault rifle' (rifles of ANY TYPE are statistically insignificant in the use of firearms for criminal activity)
Magazine capacity laws...again useless as the shooter had 10 minutes walking unopposed in a school where he reloaded multiple times.
Blaming the shooting on the lack of mental health care...immaterial...he receiving mental health care.
Lack of security of weapons...dood killed his mother in her sleep to gain access from the weapons in the gun safe.
Limit the number of gun sales per month...again...no relevance to the incident.
Waiting periods...no relevance.
Banning 'scary weapons'-black guns with military style features...irrelevant and ineffective.

Oh...you just want gun 'bans'? Unconstitutional...but be my guest. Start the amendment process.

In the meantime...you should maybe join the movement to ban fast food...the obesity epidemic is far more destructive. While you are at it go after all sugars, sodas, candy, video games, cell phones, bathtubs, cars, etc. Ban closets, knives, ropes, and anything used for stabbing others or hanging oneself (the UK suicide rate is equal to the US and the primary means is suffocation/strangling). Bar all chemicals and destroy all tall buildings, bridges, and fast moving trains (Japan and Australia both have higher incident rates of suicide than the US using means NOT involving hand guns). You are going to be a busy man fighting against all the things that cause deaths of children and innocent people. But since you 'care' so much, it will give your life meaning and purpose.
 
If you really want to save lives, there are many things that kill far more Americans than guns.

Traffic deaths.
Medical malpractice.
Obesity and related health issues like heart disease.


More children die by drowning than by guns. Far more.

More people are killed with knives or hammers than rifles like the AR15... far far more.


These facts call either your knowledge or your motives into question....

This post is a deflection on the fact that more guns = more homicide.

People die from other things, let's ignore the fact people are getting gunned down!
 
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When the mass shooting happened in Newtown, Connecticut, it rocked me to my core. Adam Lanza had several guns and killed little children.

How many more mass shootings do we have to go through before gun control is enacted? The NRA and gun zealots are so extreme and evil they harass the parents of those who children were killed. Now, that's psychotic.

Mass shootings are always horrific and, because the media focuses so intently on them, we all feel the fear. The other thing you cite -- those who harassed the parents -- is a completely different topic and not related to stopping mass shootings.

Our nation is swimming in a flood of guns. The U.S is such a violent country, and it gets exacerbated with the flood of weaponrys in our country.

Not really so violent, except in pockets in inner cities that bring our gun violence rates up. If we subtract those small -- but very violent areas -- from our statistical gathering, we find that, as a whole, the US is pretty safe.

If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?

Because "the people" as a unit, recognize that guns can also reduce violence. Violence is high in Detroit, but it's come down in recent years after the Chief of Police advised all citizens to arm themselves against the rampant criminal element. The citizens are taking his advice and, as a result, crime is dropping.

If you really want to save lives as you suggest, why not focus on something that actually kills a WHOLE lot more Americans?

Medical Errors Are the Third Leading Cause of Death: Study | Time.com
 
This post is a deflection on the fact that more guns = more homicide.

And your solution is......ban guns?

Making murder illegal?
Make illegal possession of a firearm illegal?
Make it illegal for felons to have firearms?
Make straw purchases illegal?

All I am hearing from the OP is the often repeated "do it for the children" mantra without any viable solutions.....or the "guns kill" tidbit.

I don't want to hear "we need more gun control".....I want to hear "We need to enforce our existing gun laws and make the penalties harsher".
 
This post is a deflection on the fact that more guns = more homicide.

People die from other things, let's ignore the fact people are getting gunned down!

Incorrect.

More criminals equals more homicides.

If you want to save lives, figure out how to keep people from turning to crime to make ends meet.
 
Incorrect.

More criminals equals more homicides.

If you want to save lives, figure out how to keep people from turning to crime to make ends meet.

So kids dying from gun accidents is related to criminals?
 
This post is a deflection on the fact that more guns = more homicide.

People die from other things, let's ignore the fact people are getting gunned down!

If your point is more guns = more homicides, let's put aside the data that we have millions of more guns since 1993 and the homicide rate is 50% lower than it was then.

The only logical takeaway from "I just want to save lives" and "more guns = more homicides" is "we need fewer guns". That's not merely gun control but confiscation.
 
So kids dying from gun accidents is related to criminals?

The rate of kids dying in gun accidents has declined 80% since the 1980s according to CDC WISQARS data.

What gun control do you see as a solution to further reduce the number of children killed in gun accidents?
 
So kids dying from gun accidents is related to criminals?

And what percent of gun deaths is that?

How would you prevent accidental deaths? Of any kind?
 
When the mass shooting happened in Newtown, Connecticut, it rocked me to my core. Adam Lanza had several guns and killed little children.

How many more mass shootings do we have to go through before gun control is enacted? The NRA and gun zealots are so extreme and evil they harass the parents of those who children were killed. Now, that's psychotic.

Our nation is swimming in a flood of guns. The U.S is such a violent country, and it gets exacerbated with the flood of weaponrys in our country.


Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

Mass shooting in the U.S is not rare, and the killers are obtaining their guns legally.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.bad73b116267

If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?

The Newtown shooter was barred from purchasing a firearm and nothing was done.

How about this...we enforce existing laws before we start passing laws based on mass hysteria?


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You really need to consider that the numbers they are giving you are not broken down by "illegal" vs "legal" guns/owners. I'm not saying ALL gun deaths are from illegally obtained guns, don't confuse. But I bet the majority are. So, stricter gun control laws are only for people who actually obey laws. I'm not into punishing people who obey laws.

How about harsher punishment for the criminals who have illegal guns?

the majority of the murders in the united states are committed by people with felony records or other disqualifying features that make their possession of a firearm illegal. also most murders are perpetrated by young males between the ages of 15 and 25. You cannot legally buy a handgun before you are 21 years of age. So its already illegal for the vast majority of those who perpetrate killings via gun shot to own the weapon they use. there are millions upon millions of more guns in the USA since the last time the federal government tried to restrict our second amendment rights, yet gun crime has gone down.

the Democrat party constantly pushes laws that only change the legal status of us honest gun owners. its already illegal to use a gun to harm anyone. Its already illegal for the people most likely to harm others with firearms to even possess them. SO nonsense like magazine limits or "assault weapon" bans only limit the rights of the people least likely to cause harm. For a few years, we could write that off to ignorance. But now, the only reasonable explanation is that gun controllers are actively trying to harass honest gun owners. and since almost every single law targeting honest people comes from left-wingers, its obvious that gun control is a weapon used by the left to attack the right
 
This post is a deflection on the fact that more guns = more homicide.

People die from other things, let's ignore the fact people are getting gunned down!

you are telling lies. there re millions of more guns in the USA now than there were 25 years ago yet gun deaths have gone down per capita
 
you are telling lies. there re millions of more guns in the USA now than there were 25 years ago yet gun deaths have gone down per capita

Have mass shootings declined?
 
Have mass shootings declined?

The media has certainly covered them better.

What stops a person with a legally owned firearm from entering a gun free zone full of victims?
 
When the mass shooting happened in Newtown, Connecticut, it rocked me to my core. Adam Lanza had several guns and killed little children.

How many more mass shootings do we have to go through before gun control is enacted? The NRA and gun zealots are so extreme and evil they harass the parents of those who children were killed. Now, that's psychotic.

Our nation is swimming in a flood of guns. The U.S is such a violent country, and it gets exacerbated with the flood of weaponrys in our country.


Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

Mass shooting in the U.S is not rare, and the killers are obtaining their guns legally.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.bad73b116267

If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?

No, you don't want to save lies. You just want to disarm the populace.
 
When the mass shooting happened in Newtown, Connecticut, it rocked me to my core. Adam Lanza had several guns and killed little children.

How many more mass shootings do we have to go through before gun control is enacted? The NRA and gun zealots are so extreme and evil they harass the parents of those who children were killed. Now, that's psychotic.

Our nation is swimming in a flood of guns. The U.S is such a violent country, and it gets exacerbated with the flood of weaponrys in our country.


Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

Mass shooting in the U.S is not rare, and the killers are obtaining their guns legally.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.bad73b116267

If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?

If saving lives is your goal, disarming law abiding people is not the way to do it.
 
Have mass shootings declined?

that is a dishonest issue. the issue is gun deaths. mass shootings are so poorly defined that they cannot be honestly discussed. the fact is-most mass shootings have one thing in common. They take place in victim disarmament zones-aka gun free zones. Mass shootings account for very few of the murders in the USA. Gun banners want to focus on them because they get lots of sensationalized media attention. WE ave heard about Sandyhook for almost five years but almost nothing about the hundreds of black children killed in gang warfare in urban areas each year.

someone who is an active shooter seeking to perpetrate an Orlando or SandyHook style massacre has several common features

1) they know their life is over after committing such a crime. that thought doesn't deter them

2) most active shooters end up dying as a result

3) they pick areas where the victims are not likely to be armed

4) they ignore the most serious criminal penalties this country can impose

so tell me Bucky, how is your emotionally driven anti gun arguments going to do anything to curtail "mass shootings"

btw most mass shootings are NOT the sandy hook style massacres but rather things such as a gang shootout or what happened in Ohio over a year ago where 8 family members were shot by what appears to be someone who knew them in the narcotics trade.
 
This post is a deflection on the fact that more guns = more homicide.

People die from other things, let's ignore the fact people are getting gunned down!

Imagine if just one of those teachers were able to defend themselves and kill the perp? Instead they were in a "Safe, gun free zone" which made them sheep waiting to be slaughtered.
 
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