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Gun myth: people will still commit suicide even without guns[W589]

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MaggieD said:
There's is never going to be gun confiscation in the United States. The study is moot.
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Be like trying to stuff toothpaste back into a tube, wouldn't it? Messy, maddening and ultimately futile.
 
Bucky said:
https://hub.jhu.edu/2017/08/17/high-suicide-rates-guns-rural-communities/

Conclusion. More guns = more suicides. The lies being peddeled by the gun-righters that people will find other methods is not true. It is not that hard to understand: Fewer guns = fewer deaths.
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Studies can be commissioned to "prove" whatever you like.

The suicide rate in Japan is (according to Wikipedia) 15.4/100k and they have banned guns. The US has a suicide rate of 12.6/100k and we have ****loads of guns. The Australian rate of suicide is 10.4/100k and their gun laws are quite similar to the UK where the rate is 7.4/100k.

Bottom line, the rate of gun ownership is no valid indication of the rate of suicide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
 
Bucky said:
I have read studies that the gun you bought is more likely to cause harm to you or your family than fulfill its intended purpose.
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You don't know my intended purpose. I've possessed guns for 70 years. My intended purpose changes on occasion. Often the intended purposes overlap.

Some of my intended purposes over the years have been: Hunting, collecting, recreation, target shooting, self defense, pest control. And just because. Which intended purpose are you talking about?
 
Bucky said:
The problem with Chicago is the surrounding areas outside of Chicago have lax gun laws. Guns are not banned in Chicago, that is a lie. They have gun laws but they aren't strict enough.
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Correct ... I live about 34 - 40 miles west of Chicago, but I go in and out of Chicago all the time with my CCW and no problems. Guns are not Banned in Chicago. If you're a State Licence holder, the only thing you have to worry about are places that are marked no Guns allowed. I can respect a private owners rules for their own place. After all, no one is allowed to have a Gun in my house but me.
 
jimbo said:
You don't know my intended purpose. I've possessed guns for 70 years. My intended purpose changes on occasion. Often the intended purposes overlap.

Some of my intended purposes over the years have been: Hunting, collecting, recreation, target shooting, self defense, pest control. And just because. Which intended purpose are you talking about?
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One thing that you see if you read lots of the anti gun propaganda is that the people who write that crap are people who don't see any value to

1) hunting

2) target shooting

3) competitive shooting sports

4) collecting firearms

5) casual plinking

and thus never ever count those activities as having any social utility or value
 
Bucky said:
imo Maggie it would easier to remove guns from this country than illegal immigrants. guns have a more harmful effect on our society than illegal immigrants so that should be a higher priority.
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IMO Maggie is correct. You're not.

Removing illegals is a simple matter. Dry up the reasons for being here, they self deport. Having the will to do so is the problem. We can't even agree that overturning a couple year old illegal amnesity EO should go away.

Whether guns or border invading is the largest problem is opinion. Illegals killed more people in a 3 hour period than legal guns do in a decade.
 
jimbo said:
You don't know my intended purpose. I've possessed guns for 70 years. My intended purpose changes on occasion. Often the intended purposes overlap.

Some of my intended purposes over the years have been: Hunting, collecting, recreation, target shooting, self defense, pest control. And just because. Which intended purpose are you talking about?
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BTW, Bucky, none of my guns have ever harmed anyone in my family or myself.
 
jimbo said:
You don't know my intended purpose. I've possessed guns for 70 years. My intended purpose changes on occasion. Often the intended purposes overlap.

Some of my intended purposes over the years have been: Hunting, collecting, recreation, target shooting, self defense, pest control. And just because. Which intended purpose are you talking about?
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You use handguns to kill flies and mosquitoes?

I know your intended purpose because you stated your intended purpose was for self-defense and protection.

I am not even sure what recreational gun use is. Is that like recreational drug use?
 
TurtleDude said:
One thing that you see if you read lots of the anti gun propaganda is that the people who write that crap are people who don't see any value to

1) hunting

2) target shooting

3) competitive shooting sports

4) collecting firearms

5) casual plinking

and thus never ever count those activities as having any social utility or value
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My first gun, at age 8 or 9, was a .410 double barrel. Given to me to encourage responsibility and have something that a very busy father and son could do together.

What I see when reading gun banning crap is the argument that no one needs a gun. Aside from being a lie, it also applies to I phones and pleasure boats.
 
Bucky said:
You use handguns to kill flies and mosquitoes?

I know your intended purpose because you stated your intended purpose was for self-defense and protection.

I am not even sure what recreational gun use is. Is that like recreational drug use?
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Coyotes, the occassional snake and other assorted varmints.

But my .44 does wonders on mosquitoes.
 
TurtleDude said:
One thing that you see if you read lots of the anti gun propaganda is that the people who write that crap are people who don't see any value to

1) hunting

2) target shooting

3) competitive shooting sports

4) collecting firearms

5) casual plinking

and thus never ever count those activities as having any social utility or value
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Hunting is different than trophy hunting.

But even hunting is highly regulated. You just can't go outside and kill an animal you seem fit to be killed.

Hunting imo is cruel and unnecessary. I am not sure how much value that has on our society.
 
Bucky said:
I have read studies that the gun you bought is more likely to cause harm to you or your family than fulfill its intended purpose.
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My father keeps a gun in his car at all times. He hasn't hurt me or anyone else in our family with it.
 
jimbo said:
My first gun, at age 8 or 9, was a .410 double barrel. Given to me to encourage responsibility and have something that a very busy father and son could do together.

What I see when reading gun banning crap is the argument that no one needs a gun. Aside from being a lie, it also applies to I phones and pleasure boats.
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people who want to deprive you of the freedom to own a firearm are the best reason why you NEED a firearm
 
Bucky said:
Hunting is different than trophy hunting.

But even hunting is highly regulated. You just can't go outside and kill an animal you seem fit to be killed.

Hunting imo is cruel and unnecessary. I am not sure how much value that has on our society.
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In a free society-something that apparently escapes you-you have the right not to engage in activities you find distasteful. If you think its cruel to wear fur, eat meat, fish, or engage in tackle football, then you don't have to. But I really tire of people who want to impose their sensitive values on the rest of us.
 
Bucky said:
You use handguns to kill flies and mosquitoes?

I know your intended purpose because you stated your intended purpose was for self-defense and protection.

I am not even sure what recreational gun use is. Is that like recreational drug use?
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that explains much about how ignorant many of your posts are
 
MaggieD said:
There's is never going to be gun confiscation in the United States. The study is moot.
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Violent nation, founded by convicts and religious nuts.
Pathetic brave boy gun toters.
Never been in tranches or got the crap bombed out of them
 
Lutherf said:
Studies can be commissioned to "prove" whatever you like.

The suicide rate in Japan is (according to Wikipedia) 15.4/100k and they have banned guns. The US has a suicide rate of 12.6/100k and we have ****loads of guns. The Australian rate of suicide is 10.4/100k and their gun laws are quite similar to the UK where the rate is 7.4/100k.

Bottom line, the rate of gun ownership is no valid indication of the rate of suicide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
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But lax gun laws in the US can be correlated with suicide. States with lax gun laws have the highest suicides.
 
OlNate said:
Remove the guns now, the only ones who have them will be criminals. Can't put toothpaste back in the tube...
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Ingenuity can work in both cases. Ingenuity isn't the US's long suit when it comes to focusing on reality.
 
camlok said:
Ingenuity can work in both cases. Ingenuity isn't the US's long suit when it comes to focusing on reality.
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silly Anti American nonsense.
 
TheGoverness said:
My father keeps a gun in his car at all times. He hasn't hurt me or anyone else in our family with it.
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It probably hasn't fulfilled is intended purpose either.

Still, I feel safer at a gun show or a Cracker Barrel than walking through certain neighborhoods at night where I might be the only one legally armed.
 
YorkshirePete said:
Violent nation, founded by convicts and religious nuts.
Pathetic brave boy gun toters.
Never been in tranches or got the crap bombed out of them
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that's because foreign nations couldn't invade us by the time airplanes were invented. our triple A was too intense and the journey too long. Plus we are well armed. an invading force would have been cut to ribbons by the time it made 20 miles of advance from our coasts
 
celticwar17 said:
How practical...

You know what else is practical... slaughter all criminals. More criminals=More crime.... Fewer criminals=fewer deaths/crimes.
or even....Ban all vehicles... More vehicals=More deaths... fewer vehicals=fewer deaths
or even... Sterilize all with genetic diseases... More genetic deseases=More gentic deseases.... fewer genetic desease= fewer genetic deseases...

All these things are true, including the OP.... but that isn't the question now is it?

are they moral?
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If it were me, I would first go after illegal drugs, where OD's, intentional or unintentional suicide, lead all other means by about 3 to one. The study kind of ignored the subject of "manner of death", instead drawing a conclusion or offering statistics on urban suicides and the level of guns in the manner of death.

Most suicides have been contemplated for years, it's stated that 75% are hoping someone will intervene, so my information on the "manner of death" is that it' usually a matter of availability....and fatal drug doses are the easiest to get
 
TurtleDude said:
that's because foreign nations couldn't invade us by the time airplanes were invented. our triple A was too intense and the journey too long. Plus we are well armed. an invading force would have been cut to ribbons by the time it made 20 miles of advance from our coasts
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Why then have successive US governments been able to turn you all into quivering sheeple with their varied and sundry boogeymen du jour?
 
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