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Under Trump, gun sales fall dramatically

vegas giants said:
Sure there is. You can buy a gun at a gun show without a background check. That is called the gun show loophole
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nope.. no loophole.

A gun show loophole would be that you could GET AROUND THE LAW.. you said it yourself.. get around the law. and the LAW is that if you purchase a firearm from a dealer you have to have/had a background check.

The law still applies at a gun show. Thus no loophole.

Besides.. even though its not loophole.. why do you call it a "gun show loophole"

You can buy a gun from a fellow in his house.. without a background check. why don't you call it a "house loophole"..
 
jaeger19 said:
nope.. no loophole.

A gun show loophole would be that you could GET AROUND THE LAW.. you said it yourself.. get around the law. and the LAW is that if you purchase a firearm from a dealer you have to have/had a background check.

The law still applies at a gun show. Thus no loophole.

Besides.. even though its not loophole.. why do you call it a "gun show loophole"

You can buy a gun from a fellow in his house.. without a background check. why don't you call it a "house loophole"..
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No it is a way to get around the requirement of the law. Much like a tax loophole. Just a legal way of getting out of doing something. As clear as day
 
vegas giants said:
No it is a way to get around the requirement of the law. Much like a tax loophole. Just a legal way of getting out of doing something. As clear as day
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No.. the law requires that if you purchase firearm from a dealer you must go through a back ground check.. That's the law.

the law still applies if you purchase a firearm from a dealer at a gun show.

Please explain how going to a gun show "gets around a requirement of the law"..

the law still applies.
 
vegas giants said:
I have the right of assembly. But if I leave the country I must prove I am a citizen to get back in.
Speech can require permits too
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1) Yes. You have the right if assembly.

2) You don't have a right to not be checked for citizenship when entering or exiting The nation.

3) speech itself does not require permits. There is a case-by-case basis if you were talking about protest permits and things like that. But those are mainly to do with protesting in the streets and places that the citizen does not have a right to impede others rights to traverse.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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Bucky said:
Listen, I just think we need stricter restrictions on gaining access to guns. I used to live in New Jersey. It is illegal there to pump your own gas. I can see that because pumping your own gas can be a safety hazard. Most people I see in other states are not competent in pumping their own gas. They overfill the tank, leave the pump running to buy food, etc...

Operating a gun requires a lot of technical skill and training. Not just anyone should get their hands on a gun.
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Look. If you aren't competent enough to handle pumping your own gas or wipe your own ass and you need the nanny state to do it for you...that is your problem.

I can handle that. Just like I and the minimum of 45,000,000 gun owners can handle the responsibility. If gun owners couldn't handle the problem...there would be MILLIONS of deaths a year. Right now? 99.98% MINIMUM of lawful gun owners are never a problem. And you want to restrict us based on that % of problems? Imagine if we told you you couldn't drink or smoke weed because that percent of people can't handle the effects? You liberals would throw a **** fit.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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vegas giants said:
No it is a way to get around the requirement of the law. Much like a tax loophole. Just a legal way of getting out of doing something. As clear as day
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See my .sig. There is not a requirement in the law.
 
jaeger19 said:
Yes... a loophole is a legal way to get around a law that requires something.

under the LAW.. When a firearm is purchased or transferred from a dealer the law requires that a background check has been made. that's the law.

When you purchase a firearm from a dealer at a gun show.. YOU ARE STILL REQUIRED TO HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK.

Thus there is no gun show loophole. There is no "circumventing the law" or getting around the law at a gun show.

Just like because you don't pay tax on ALL your income.. does not mean there is a tax " loophole".
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I was never going to comment on any threads about firearms again, because it is a complete waste of time arguing with either side, but I can't take it. The gun show loophole has nothing to do with licensed dealers and you very well know it. It has to do with the un-licensed, private sellers, many of whom follow the circuit around their state and buy/sell with no background check. Now there are some shows who do not accept private sellers and there are some other restrictions about residency requirements depending on the state you are in. But please stop with the "there is no gun show loophole".
 
trblmkr said:
I was never going to comment on any threads about firearms again, because it is a complete waste of time arguing with either side, but I can't take it. The gun show loophole has nothing to do with licensed dealers and you very well know it. It has to do with the un-licensed, private sellers, many of whom follow the circuit around their state and buy/sell with no background check. Now there are some shows who do not accept private sellers and there are some other restrictions about residency requirements depending on the state you are in. But please stop with the "there is no gun show loophole".
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See my .sig. There is no loophole.
 
vegas giants said:
The loophole is massive and this is a generally accepted idea
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There is no loophole. The law covers exactly what it was supposed to and only what it was supposed to. That's not a loophole. The Democrats who wrote it, voted on it, signed it into law and affirmed it intended it didn't forget to include private sales and transfers - it was deliberately not included in the scope of the law. Legal loopholes are unintentional gaps in the scope of law. Your continued use of the term shows that correct word definitions don't matter to you, as you understand that the word has negative connotations that you intend to invoke emotional reactions in your readers.
 
Rucker61 said:
There is no loophole. The law covers exactly what it was supposed to and only what it was supposed to. That's not a loophole. The Democrats who wrote it, voted on it, signed it into law and affirmed it intended it didn't forget to include private sales and transfers - it was deliberately not included in the scope of the law. Legal loopholes are unintentional gaps in the scope of law. Your continued use of the term shows that correct word definitions don't matter to you, as you understand that the word has negative connotations that you intend to invoke emotional reactions in your readers.
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Sure there is. The tax code was designed intentionally too and EVERYONE agrees there are tax loopholes.
 
vegas giants said:
Sure there is. The tax code was designed intentionally too and EVERYONE agrees there are tax loopholes.
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The Democrats made a conscious choice not to include private transfers in the Brady Act. That deliberate act precludes a loophole. Tax loopholes are unintentional or impossible to address. The Democrats could have easily include private transfers in the law. They chose not to. No loophole.
 
jaeger19 said:
Yeah no.

Sorry but you don't even understand what a tax loophole is.
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its a lie to claim that private intrastate sales are some sort of loophole of a law that is dubious in the first place and has been proven not to have any positive impact on violent crime
 
Rucker61 said:
The Democrats made a conscious choice not to include private transfers in the Brady Act. That deliberate act precludes a loophole. Tax loopholes are unintentional or impossible to address. The Democrats could have easily include private transfers in the law. They chose not to. No loophole.
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The brady bill barkers didn't have enough votes to get a private sale bill passed. They also knew that there was no way to enforce it and it might well have been ruled a violation of the tenth amendment. 24 years later, the FFL background checks have proven worthless in preventing violent crime
 
Rucker61 said:
See my .sig. There is no loophole.
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This is why I didn't want to bother. How about this. It is perfectly legal, if you meet applicable state requirements, to purchase firearms at many gun shows with no background check or waiting period whatsoever and walk out with as many as you can carry.
 
TurtleDude said:
The brady bill barkers didn't have enough votes to get a private sale bill passed. They also knew that there was no way to enforce it and it might well have been ruled a violation of the tenth amendment. 24 years later, the FFL background checks have proven worthless in preventing violent crime
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And hence.....the loophole
 
Rucker61 said:
The Democrats made a conscious choice not to include private transfers in the Brady Act. That deliberate act precludes a loophole. Tax loopholes are unintentional or impossible to address. The Democrats could have easily include private transfers in the law. They chose not to. No loophole.
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Tax loopholes are unintentional??? They are often very much intended and slanted to the rich
 
trblmkr said:
This is why I didn't want to bother. How about this. It is perfectly legal, if you meet applicable state requirements, to purchase firearms at many gun shows with no background check or waiting period whatsoever and walk out with as many as you can carry.
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As long as the purchases are from private sellers. But that can happen anywhere.....Try and purchase from a FFL and your statement would be incorrect.
 
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vegas giants said:
Tax loopholes are unintentional??? They are often very much intended and slanted to the rich
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So who did the Democrats that wrote and passed the Brady Bill intend to benefit by allowing this supposed loophole? Sounds like you are saying the Democrats that wrote and passed the Brady Bill intended terrorists and criminals to benefit from this intentional loophole. Wow. Who woulda thunk it....
 
BretJ said:
So who did the Democrats that wrote and passed the Brady Bill intend to benefit by allowing this supposed loophole? Sounds like you are saying the Democrats that wrote and passed the Brady Bill intended terrorists and criminals to benefit from this intentional loophole. Wow. Who woulda thunk it....
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You mean republicans were insisting that private sales be included and democrats demanded they not be???

That is hilarious
 
trblmkr said:
This is why I didn't want to bother. How about this. It is perfectly legal, if you meet applicable state requirements, to purchase firearms at many gun shows with no background check or waiting period whatsoever and walk out with as many as you can carry.
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Not quite.. if you meet applicable state, county, municipal and federal requirements You can purchase a firearm from a private person who is at a gun show without a waiting period or background check. As many as you can afford.

Just like if you went to someones house.
 
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