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Its Just a FORM nonsense

=Bucky;1067510439]Yes, criminals, even gangsters see themselves as part of society. Even when criminals break the law they still play by certain rules.
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WTF? You really got to humor me on this and explain what these certain rules are.
I'd suggest you educate yourself. Gun control works. I hope the United States adopts a similar law to Japan:
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I'd suggest you best educate yourself on Japan and see why it works.


How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

It doesn't take someone from Harvard to realize six gun deaths in Japan is less than 33,599 in the United States.[/QUOTE]
 
Bucky said:
Numbers do not lie!

Compare the number of people that die from gun violence in Japan compared to the United States. We'd be a much safer society if we only made owning shotguns and air rifles legal.
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Ah how about there are almost no guns in Japan. DAH no gun violence.
 
Bucky said:
It doesn't take someone from Harvard to realize six gun deaths in Japan is less than 33,599 in the United States.
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You'll soon find out that they don't do math very well so the numbers argument will never fly.

Graphs won't work either

And when it comes to form filling .........:wink:
 
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Bucky said:
Yes, criminals, even gangsters see themselves as part of society. Even when criminals break the law they still play by certain rules.

I'd suggest you educate yourself. Gun control works. I hope the United States adopts a similar law to Japan:



How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News
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Actually Japan eredicated gun crime in the 16th century when the Tokugawa Shogunate eliminated the right of the common people to own firearms. They also eliminated every other civil right. You could be summarily killed for possessing a gun. You could be summarily killed for not immediately obeying a government official. You could be executed for merely back talking an official. A few centuries of that kind of control and a certain societal mindset is firmly established.

I'll pass, thanks.

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Foreign/Japan-Gun-Control-and-People-Control.htm
 
Bucky said:
Numbers do not lie!

Compare the number of people that die from gun violence in Japan compared to the United States. We'd be a much safer society if we only made owning shotguns and air rifles legal.
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You mean by overturning the Constitution, multiple SCOTUS rulings and 240 years of established jurisprudence?

Is your civics knowledge truly that poor? Will you be going door to door to confiscate guns from the following down on MLK Way in Seattle?
 
Bucky said:
Washington State Supreme Court upholds Seattle?s gun tax | KIRO-TV

It worked in my city. And they do produce results. Results get mixed when certain groups are unreasonable in accepting basic facts regarding gun violence.
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Worked in what way? Reports finally released by the city of Seattle indicate that the tax collected falls far short of the projected numbers, with the city collecting about the same amount as it took to collect the tax.

I guess it worked if the goal was to get more overtime for the SPD: http://www.king5.com/news/crime/spd-significant-rise-in-gun-violence-this-year-in-seattle/442665980
 
Bucky said:
You keep using the word harassment. Gun owners are not being harassed.

And assuming they are being harassed, if it prevents thousands of deaths from gun violence, then that's a good thing. Try finding a more healthy hobby.
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You want to confiscate 200 million firearms from law abiding gun owners. You want to reduce the number of law abiding gun owners. Do you think that would happen without harassment and more?

How do you feel about mandatory minimums for violent felons arrested today for violent do crimes and gun crimes? How do you feel knowing that the government has the names and addresses of 34k felons who committed a felony trying to buy a gun and have not made any significant effort to convict more than 13 individuals a year?
 
Rucker61 said:
You mean by overturning the Constitution, multiple SCOTUS rulings and 240 years of established jurisprudence?

Is your civics knowledge truly that poor? Will you be going door to door to confiscate guns from the following down on MLK Way in Seattle?
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Lets start with the form
 
zsu2357 said:
Of course you do since you don't own any because if you did own firearms you would not be for it. I've been keeping up on that gun tax in Seattle and a lot of people don't like it.
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I also believe we should tax higher on coffee drinks as well.
 
Rucker61 said:
You mean by overturning the Constitution, multiple SCOTUS rulings and 240 years of established jurisprudence?

Is your civics knowledge truly that poor? Will you be going door to door to confiscate guns from the following down on MLK Way in Seattle?
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LOl! We are talking about a form, nobody mentioned confiscating guns.

Rational people want to stop gun violence and shooting.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Registration is the first step toward confiscation.

With the increased push by the progressive-left to institute SJW laws that limit free speech, freedom of choice, support invasion of privacy, and security over liberty...it is inevitable that in the name of "safety" they will disarm anyone who would try to oppose them.
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Indeed! Because, as everyone knows, in every state where guns must be registered, all gunes have already been confiscated and the citizenry completely disarmed.
 
Bucky said:
LOl! We are talking about a form, nobody mentioned confiscating guns.
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You did. You said that you wished that the US had the same laws as Japan, limiting citizens to owning shotguns and airguns. That means confiscating about 100 million rifles and 100 million handguns.

Rational people want to stop gun violence and shooting.
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We all do. We just have different ideas on how that would be accomplished, and different levels on knowledge on what would be Constitutional, effective and enforceable.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Indeed! Because, as everyone knows, in every state where guns must be registered, all gunes have already been confiscated and the citizenry completely disarmed.
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Any confiscation is unacceptable, and multiple states have made ownership of certain classes of protected firearms illegal to possess. When the State requires that previously legal owners of firearms dispose of those firearms, that's confiscation.

I would change the OP wording to "Registration is a necessary first step toward confiscation". It's also against federal law and it's a law that a felon can't be prosecuted for breaking. See Haynes v United States.
 
Bucky said:
I also believe we should tax higher on coffee drinks as well.
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I lived in Seattle for over a decade, and I know that the locals consider coffee a right, but there's a difference between a right and a privilege. See Watchtower v Village of Stratton for limitations on taxing rights.
 
Bucky said:
By that definition, should people have the right and bear uzis?

Asking for a simple FORM is not infringing on anyone's right.
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Yes. You can bear whatever you please.

The form IS an infringement because if I DONT fill it out then I would be in violation of the law. I am being compelled to do something in order to exercise a right. The form is also a violation of the 4th IMO as I am being forced to testify against myself, regardless whether I did anything unlawful or not.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Yes. You can bear whatever you please.

The form IS an infringement because if I DONT fill it out then I would be in violation of the law. I am being compelled to do something in order to exercise a right. The form is also a violation of the 4th IMO as I am being forced to testify against myself, regardless whether I did anything unlawful or not.
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There are plenty of examples of requiring a form to exercise a right
 
TurtleDude said:
New California ?assault weapon? regs approved, lawsuits promised
Under the rules, those in the state who have firearms that meet the expanded definitions of an assault weapon will have until July 2018 to register their guns through the California Firearms Application Reporting System, with a mandatory $15 fee per registration. Those submitting applications will have to upload digital photos of the firearm including of the magazine release, of each side of the receiver and of the barrel. Hobbyists who craft their own firearms will have to apply for a serial number through the system before completing their gun.
However, the website for the system states the ability to register is not yet available.

This is what happens when you pretend that all those assholes in office want is "just a form" or just "reasonable laws"

hopefully some Trump judges squash this crap


remember criminals cannot be prosecuted for failing to follow these idiotic laws
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this puts undo burden on a gun owner to owning a firearm. therefore it is unconstitutional.

then again CA and their rabid liberal base don't care about freedom except for the ones they want.
This will get squashed but it will have to go to the SCOTUs before it does. that joke of the 9th circuit isn't goig to do it
and they will over turn any federal judge that stomps it. not that any federal judge out there will.
 
vegas giants said:
I want to save lives.
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from who? criminals don't care about registering their guns and they won't.
this does nothing but harass legal gun owners for no reason and does nothing to save lives.
 
Bucky said:
By that definition, should people have the right and bear uzis?

Asking for a simple FORM is not infringing on anyone's right.
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yep people can bear uzi's. having an uzis for the most part is not illegal. you have to register it with the
FTA but other than that completely legal.
 
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