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Its Just a FORM nonsense

Bucky said:
He's hiding in his shell. Reasonable gun control policies are good. Now, unrestricted access to guns, like some of these pro 2nd amendments want, is dangerous.

We live in the United States, not Dubrovnik. This isn't Game of Thrones.
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how is doubling the cost of 22 bullets "reasonable"

how can anyone who demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of this issue even comment on what is "reasonable"?
 
Lutherf said:
Please explain to me how registration in any form will, or even might, save a life. Tracing doesn't happen until AFTER a crime has been committed...unless someone decides that mere ownership of a registered firearm is a criminal act.
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You've been around awhile-do you honestly believe that those who push these gun owner harassment laws really give a damn about saving the life (of someone other than a criminal)?
 
TurtleDude said:
You either are unable to understand how criminals operate or you are just pretending you want to do something useful
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Yes, criminals, even gangsters see themselves as part of society. Even when criminals break the law they still play by certain rules.

I'd suggest you educate yourself. Gun control works. I hope the United States adopts a similar law to Japan:

Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. What is the secret?

If you want to buy a gun in Japan you need patience and determination. You have to attend an all-day class, take a written exam and pass a shooting-range test with a mark of at least 95%.

There are also mental health and drugs tests. Your criminal record is checked and police look for links to extremist groups. Then they check your relatives too - and even your work colleagues. And as well as having the power to deny gun licenses, police also have sweeping powers to search and seize weapons.

That's not all. Handguns are banned outright. Only shotguns and air rifles are allowed.
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How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

It doesn't take someone from Harvard to realize six gun deaths in Japan is less than 33,599 in the United States.
 
TurtleDude said:
You've been around awhile-do you honestly believe that those who push these gun owner harassment laws really give a damn about saving the life (of someone other than a criminal)?
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You keep using the word harassment. Gun owners are not being harassed.

And assuming they are being harassed, if it prevents thousands of deaths from gun violence, then that's a good thing. Try finding a more healthy hobby.
 
Bucky said:
Yes, criminals, even gangsters see themselves as part of society. Even when criminals break the law they still play by certain rules.

I'd suggest you educate yourself. Gun control works. I hope the United States adopts a similar law to Japan:



How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime - BBC News

It doesn't take someone from Harvard to realize six gun deaths in Japan is less than 33,599 in the United States.
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you should be the one going around trying to enforce such a law. I guess you are ignorant of the fact that Japan has always persecuted commoners who tried to own the same weapons as the elites. I am glad they did. Japanese soldiers were vastly inferior to our marines and soldiers when it come to marksmanship
 
Bucky said:
You keep using the word harassment. Gun owners are not being harassed.

And assuming they are being harassed, if it prevents thousands of deaths from gun violence, then that's a good thing. Try finding a more healthy hobby.
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it has a better chance of preventing unwanted pregnancies in rocking horses and unicorns then doing anything to stop gun violence.
 
TurtleDude said:
you should be the one going around trying to enforce such a law. I guess you are ignorant of the fact that Japan has always persecuted commoners who tried to own the same weapons as the elites. I am glad they did. Japanese soldiers were vastly inferior to our marines and soldiers when it come to marksmanship
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Numbers do not lie!

Compare the number of people that die from gun violence in Japan compared to the United States. We'd be a much safer society if we only made owning shotguns and air rifles legal.
 
Bucky said:
Numbers do not lie!

Compare the number of people that die from gun violence in Japan compared to the United States. We'd be a much safer society if we only made owning shotguns and air rifles legal.
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are you unable to figure out that an almost complete gun ban in a country that used to torture to death people caught with a sword and which has no borders of any significance and a mainly homogenous population is going to be far more effective with a complete gun ban over a nation that has open borders, the most diverse population on earth and 200 years of people being well armed, with over 400 million guns?

we'd be a much safer nation if we didn't have people who hate our constitution and waste our time pushing for laws that do nothing to stop criminals and are designed to harass the political enemies of the anti gun left
 
Slingshot Bob said:
You actually believe that criminals owning guns illegally "might" comply with this crap? :lamo OMG lol!
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amazing isn't it

here is the mindset of the few anti gun types who ACTUALLY believe the swill they spill

1) people who have never committed a violent crime with a firearm need their liberties constantly restricted to prevent them from committing crimes they never engaged in when their liberties were intact

2) people who violate the laws against murder, mayhem,rape and robbery-as well as possessing firearms as convicted felons, will start obeying additional laws that don't change their legal environment at all

3) those who import, distribute and traffic billions in narcotics will be unable to import, distribute, or divert from governmental channels, billions of firearms available on the world market
 
TurtleDude said:
amazing isn't it

here is the mindset of the few anti gun types who ACTUALLY believe the swill they spill

1) people who have never committed a violent crime with a firearm need their liberties constantly restricted to prevent them from committing crimes they never engaged in when their liberties were intact

2) people who violate the laws against murder, mayhem,rape and robbery-as well as possessing firearms as convicted felons, will start obeying additional laws that don't change their legal environment at all

3) those who import, distribute and traffic billions in narcotics will be unable to import, distribute, or divert from governmental channels, billions of firearms available on the world market
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But it's just a form
 
TurtleDude said:
amazing isn't it

here is the mindset of the few anti gun types who ACTUALLY believe the swill they spill

1) people who have never committed a violent crime with a firearm need their liberties constantly restricted to prevent them from committing crimes they never engaged in when their liberties were intact

2) people who violate the laws against murder, mayhem,rape and robbery-as well as possessing firearms as convicted felons, will start obeying additional laws that don't change their legal environment at all

3) those who import, distribute and traffic billions in narcotics will be unable to import, distribute, or divert from governmental channels, billions of firearms available on the world market
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I found his comment, ridiculous. I don't think he believes it but takes the position to pretend these forms have a snowballs chance of stopping gun violence.

I mean, no one can be that naïve, right?
 
vegas giants said:
But it's just a form
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and it does nothing valuable. and obvious you are deliberately ignoring what is the law-it requires more than a form. so stop spewing nonsense that is clearly in contradiction to the stated facts in the article
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I found his comment, ridiculous. I don't think he believes it but takes the position to pretend these forms have a snowballs chance of stopping gun violence.

I mean, no one can be that naïve, right?
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I don't think anyone who hangs out on a board like this actually believes that swill. but they have a hard time saying-"we know it won't stop criminals but our goal is to harass conservative gun owners but we cannot say that publicly"
 
TurtleDude said:
and it does nothing valuable. and obvious you are deliberately ignoring what is the law-it requires more than a form. so stop spewing nonsense that is clearly in contradiction to the stated facts in the article
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Really....its just a form. It's not a big deal
 
Bucky said:
He's hiding in his shell. Reasonable gun control policies are good. Now, unrestricted access to guns, like some of these pro 2nd amendments want, is dangerous.

We live in the United States, not Dubrovnik. This isn't Game of Thrones.
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Yes we live in the United States. It has a Constitution. In that Constitution is the second amendment. It says the right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed. This is a nation of laws. The supreme law of the land is quite clear that infringements on our right to arms is not to be messed with.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Yes we live in the United States. It has a Constitution. In that Constitution is the second amendment. It says the right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed. This is a nation of laws. The supreme law of the land is quite clear that infringements on our right to arms is not to be messed with.
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By that definition, should people have the right and bear uzis?

Asking for a simple FORM is not infringing on anyone's right.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I found his comment, ridiculous. I don't think he believes it but takes the position to pretend these forms have a snowballs chance of stopping gun violence.

I mean, no one can be that naïve, right?
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The Washington Supreme Court upheld Seattle's so-called "gun violence tax" against a challenge from gun-rights groups Thursday.

In an 8-1 decision , the justices affirmed a lower court ruling that the levy was valid because it fell within the city's taxing authority and because its primary purpose was to raise revenue for "the public benefit."

The tax, which took effect last year, adds $25 to the price of each firearm sold in the city plus 2 or 5 cents per round of ammunition. It raised $200,000 in its first year, with the money earmarked for gun-violence research.
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Washington State Supreme Court upholds Seattle?s gun tax | KIRO-TV

It worked in my city. And they do produce results. Results get mixed when certain groups are unreasonable in accepting basic facts regarding gun violence.
 
As much as banning certain types of rifles bothers me, I actually think requiring registration bothers me more.
 
=Bucky;1067510385]Agreed. A simple form to register an assault weapon.
OK Bucky, what is an "assault weapon"? Scary looking is not acceptable.
This a fairly common sense request and will likely lead to more safety. I live in a state that charges firearms and ammunition and I am 100% for it.[/QUOTE]
How does it lead to more safety? Sucks living in Seattle. Oregon sucks to ,but we aren't being taxed yet.
 
=Bucky;1067510395]I pray for the gun nuts that want to do nothing about killers going into our schools and community shooting up innocent people. They were able to do so based on lax gun laws.
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Well Bucky I guess you could say I'm a "gun nut" and know lots of other "gun nuts" and none of these "gun nuts" go dancing in the street when a shooting does happen. However it seems to be a recurring theme with anti gun nuts. It must have been pretty bad up there with all the schools and communities being shot up. Don't recall all those shootings on the scale you seem to imply.
Any reasonable laws that make it harder to kill people, I am all for.
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Baseball bats, cars that go over 25mph ,rope(hangings are kinda vogue),knives ,hammers ,crowbars ,tire irons. Now if we get rid of or very heavily regulate these things along with a whole host of other things to numerous to name then maybe just maybe it won't make a difference. Bucky you might want to consider Eastern Wa.
 
Bucky said:
LOL!

I fully support a $25 per gun and a two cent to five cent tax per round of ammunition. Gun nuts want assault weapons to be readily available like books or groceries.
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Of course you do since you don't own any because if you did own firearms you would not be for it. I've been keeping up on that gun tax in Seattle and a lot of people don't like it.
 
Lutherf said:
Please explain to me how registration in any form will, or even might, save a life. Tracing doesn't happen until AFTER a crime has been committed...unless someone decides that mere ownership of a registered firearm is a criminal act.
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Ah left with a 4473 folded around it and a signed confession? It's very,very hard to trace a weapon and only if the serial number is intact. Because that micro stamping is poppycock and markings on casings are at best a crap shoot and the ballistic finger printing they tout is a joke in the making assuming there's enough bullet, but a simple rat tail file around the muzzle end and they can say it was this caliber but that's it. Or ballistic prints change every few rounds. So if the gun was fired at purchase to have the ballistic print on file it would of change dramatically assuming they had a bullet or casing. 101 ballistics.LOL.
 
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