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John Stossel video about people arrested in NYC airports over guns[W:94]***

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flogger said:
Well done New York for taking a stand here I'd say.
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And this bothers no one that the TSA says yeah this is all you have to do.Then when you get there they descend like locust on you and arrest you.
 
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Harshaw said:
More appropriate, and less idiotic, would be for you to stop saying insanely stupid things, including nonsense like this.
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I was trying to think how to reply to that. Good job.
 
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Harshaw said:
You're the one obsessed with getting shot, so indeed, the paranoia is yours. I have none.

Freedom is too scary for you.

Enjoy your life of comfy obedience. Be sure to pay the government to watch TV, or they'll be coming for you.
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HE is so afraid of honest people owning guns, he tries to disarm those living in a country where he is neither a citizen nor a resident. that's something special when it comes to fear
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
Wait a minute, so we can regulate cars because they weren't mentioned in a seventeenth-century "kawinstitution", but we can't regulate airports? Where's the constitutional right to have weapons in an airport?
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You would be better off if you used a soapbox and quill and ink. Because you really come across as a no nothing.
 
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cpgrad08 said:
So the guy arrested for having an empty magazine and no ammo was putting the public at risk? The lady that had gun unloaded and in a lock box was putting the people at risk how?
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In some sort of 'gun nut' Rambo way that only the banners seem to understand. Got me.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
You said this:



I gave you an example of where safety does trump rights.
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Driving is not a right.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHzVsdWBfM

I really didn't think I should watch this, but I was glad I did. In a sane, 21st-century society we don't want people toting guns around in airports. I don't want to have to go to the airport and worry that some crazy person might have a gun and start unloading on everyone there. Our right to be safe must come before the rights of this woman to feel like the Atomic Blonde or that man to feel like Rambo.
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the politicians who push this should get LWOP in a tough prison. The morons who push this should be declared traitors to the constitution and given permanent sentences
 
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flogger said:
I'm happy for you. 100,000 plus of your fellow countrymen won't be though this year. I have a freedom that you will never know in that I have the freedom from being shot and I'm very good with that
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And I have the freedom of knowing if someone breaks into my house at 0 dark thirty I can handle it and I'm very good with that. Especially where my family may depend on it.
 
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flogger said:
I'm not the one so terrified of my outside world that I would ever need or want a gun. I'm very good with that reality :thumbs:
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I am sooo glad I don't live across The Big Water at least here I feel safe as I'm sure many do.
 
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zsu2357 said:
And I have the freedom of knowing if someone breaks into my house at 0 dark thirty I can handle it and I'm very good with that. Especially where my family may depend on it.
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I have studied the anti gun mind for decades. Many of the anti gun zealots buy into the concept of group justice and group rights. Many of them think a criminal is nothing more than a victim of an unjust society. that society has created an environment where some people, through injustice and deprivation, have no choice but to become criminals. If you shoot a criminal trying to rob you or worse, you are punishing him for something he could not help. that is why so many on the left are both anti cop and anti armed citizen even if they claim only cops should have guns. they think its wrong for a criminal to be killed for acting out in a way society forced him to.

They see crime as a way of sharing the misery so that criminals alone aren't the sole victims of an unjust society. While this sort of screwy attitude is not the main instigator of the anti gun movement, it is one of the major one and existed before the Dems adopted gun control as a major way of pretending to do something about crime without actually upsetting some of its major constituencies: constituents that found crack downs on violent crime to be targeting minorities
 
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zsu2357 said:
And this bothers no one that the TSA says yeah this is all you have to do.Then when you get there they descend like locust on you and arrest you.
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NYC bans anyone possessing a handgun without a NYC license; Many normal magazines are banned as well. If you are traveling say from Ohio to Maine and your handgun is legal in maine they cannot arrest you for merely changing planes in NYC. but if your final destination is NYC then can once you take possession of your baggage. This has happened when a flight was delayed an a traveler was given his baggage even though he never intended to stay in NYC. the McClure -V act, FAOPA prevents prosecution for merely checking a bag through

this is why the court needs to strike down NYCs laws. That woman having a handgun in NYC violated their idiotic law, the magazine one was idiotic to the extreme though. The second amendment as incorporated should strike down the NYC law but I understand why she was arrested. she was not a legal owner in the city
 
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flogger said:
So I wouldn't want to shoot or kill anyone . Why is having this facility so important to you ?
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Let's play a mind game. This is all very hypothetical . Let us say for whatever reason you had your dads or someone Else's handgun that was lets say a keepsake from Dunkirk and it has ammo.
So you agree to keep it overnight while this person is moving or whatever and there happens to be a lot of cops or coppers out. I will take the liberty and assume you are married with children(if not insert now) .You go to bed and a few hours later you hear a big racket and realize that it's your front door being kicked in.
Now you realize you have the 'facility' to fight back and you think about it ,then you see your wife is scared to death. You take the next step and load the handgun(you shot it when you were a kid and know how)and step out just as two big S.O.B.s come through your door armed with knives(no guns you can see).
So now you have a conundrum. Do I fight fair and use a knife if I must fight or do I use this firearm in my hand?And no you are not a black belt,former SAS or anything else.What to do. Protect my family
and shoot them or hold them at gun point, either way the cops find out and your screwed ,but your family is safe. This is why this facility is important to us. We don't live in fear of the police finding we have a piece of the forbidden fruit. We also don't have to live in fear of the criminal element that don't care about the police finding out they have a gun. Personally I shoot them. You have heard the saying. "Better tried by twelve than carried by six."
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
Drive 100 miles an hour on the freeway and try to tell the cop safety can never supersede "liberteh!"
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Hate to break it to you but driving on a freeway is not a Right. It is a privilege.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
Wait a minute, so we can regulate cars because they weren't mentioned in a seventeenth-century "kawinstitution", but we can't regulate airports? Where's the constitutional right to have weapons in an airport?
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You do know that they did have roads back then right? And that the government was tasked with keeping and maintaining them for postal reasons? There's never been a right to travel on roads or property kept and maintained by someone else. Try again.
 
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flogger said:
No I live in a society where I don't feel the need to go out locked and loaded in fear of an attack at any moment that is so grievous that it will require an instant lethal response from me

Have fun with your paranoia :thumbs:
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No.........you live in a fear based society known as the UK where the government is the final word.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
No.........you live in a fear based society known as the UK where the government is the final word.
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And I'm still waiting for him to answer my 'very hypothetical' scenario. Don't think he will since your right about their fear based society.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHzVsdWBfM

I really didn't think I should watch this, but I was glad I did. In a sane, 21st-century society we don't want people toting guns around in airports. I don't want to have to go to the airport and worry that some crazy person might have a gun and start unloading on everyone there. Our right to be safe must come before the rights of this woman to feel like the Atomic Blonde or that man to feel like Rambo.
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From your OP, I expected to see someone walking around with a gun visible :doh Not someone with an unloaded gun, locked up in a TSA approved case, which is then put in their checked baggage.
 
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cpgrad08 said:
So the guy arrested for having an empty magazine and no ammo was putting the public at risk? The lady that had gun unloaded and in a lock box was putting the people at risk how?
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He might throw it at you!
 
Re: John Stossel video about people arrested in NYC airports over guns

AtlantaAdonis said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHzVsdWBfM

I really didn't think I should watch this, but I was glad I did. In a sane, 21st-century society we don't want people toting guns around in airports. I don't want to have to go to the airport and worry that some crazy person might have a gun and start unloading on everyone there. Our right to be safe must come before the rights of this woman to feel like the Atomic Blonde or that man to feel like Rambo.
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There is no such thing as a right to be safe. You just made that up.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
You said this:



I gave you an example of where safety does trump rights.
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No you didn't because you have no right to drive at 100mph on a highway. Again you are making up rights.
 
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Harshaw said:
It's only legitimate to be concerned about if there's a demonstrable problem. There isn't.

There isn't even a single instance where a gun carried on a plane in the manner depicted in the video found its way into trouble.

If you're worried about that woman, your fear is irrational.
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The issue here isn't the carrying of the weapon onto an airplane. The issue is the violation of New York City's gun laws. In the case of the woman on the video she possessed a firearm within the city without a license. She broke NYC law. Those laws are irrational but they are the law nonetheless and I, for one, don't have much sympathy for a gun owner who doesn't make themselves aware of the firearms laws in the jurisdiction they happen to be visiting.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
You said this:



I gave you an example of where safety does trump rights.
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The only problem with that moronic statement is driving is not a right. It's a privilege. :doh
 
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Black Dog said:
The only problem with that moronic statement is driving is not a right. It's a privilege. :doh
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Hey, BD. Welcome back. :)
 
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TheGoverness said:
Hey, BD. Welcome back. :)
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Hey thanks. Been lurking a bit, but jumping back into the fray! Good to type at ya, lol.
 
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