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flogger said:
No its the fact that I niether nor the vast bulk of my countrymen short of psychopaths want to kill anyone nor ever want to have the facility of ever doing so
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your country caused the deaths of millions through its conquests and colonial empire. Didn't Gandhi note:

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
that was a long time ago plus their former colonial powers did plenty to try to make the Africans whole.

Your line is getting too similar to the one about how people with the right DNA cant be expected to perform because of the slave trade.
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what idiotic nonsense.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
what a pity.
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Yeah its a pity your comment was such a fail. Blasting England over its collective bed wetting after Dunblane and noting that the English have no room to talk about death from guns after they instigated the deaths of millions, has nothing to do with your issue of racial superiority
 
TurtleDude said:
Yeah its a pity your comment was such a fail. Blasting England over its collective bed wetting after Dunblane and noting that the English have no room to talk about death from guns after they instigated the deaths of millions, has nothing to do with your issue of racial superiority
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No No No, you have not been listening.....I dont give a **** about race, and this game of getting everyone all riled up about it like was done with abortion for all those years till the chumps finally tired of the game so that a very very few people can run off with all of the rewards for all of the work what workers remain in America cause we are some lazy ****s has me the **** pissed off.

One hopes we are clear now.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
No No No, you have not been listening.....I dont give a **** about race, and this game of getting everyone all riled up about it like was done with abortion for all those years till the chumps finally tired of the game so that a very very few people can run off with all of the rewards for all of the work what workers remain in America cause we are some lazy ****s has me the **** pissed off.

One hopes we are clear now.
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Yeah what is clear is you dragged race into a thread in which race had no real relevance.
 
TurtleDude said:
Yeah what is clear is you dragged race into a thread in which race had no real relevance.
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I am on about the ideas, not the labels that get placed on people, often by the powerful, often for unpure intent.
 
TurtleDude said:
your country caused the deaths of millions through its conquests and colonial empire. Didn't Gandhi note:

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.
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I wasn't a part of that nor were any of my generation.

Do you really want me to go through the scale of US killing in the last 50 years ?
 
flogger said:
I wasn't a part of that nor were any of my generation.

Do you really want me to go through the scale of US killing in the last 50 years ?
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we couldn't care less over the faux concern that serves as a facade for an attempt to denigrate our rights. White Americans, with the highest rate of gun ownership in the first world, aren't any more dangerous than similarly situated whites in nanny states that don't trust their citizens to own the same weapons that said states maintain for use against their own subjects
 
flogger said:
I wasn't a part of that nor were any of my generation.

Do you really want me to go through the scale of US killing in the last 50 years ?
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Wait a minute skippy.. weren;t you involved in a little skirmish in lands your country took over?
 
flogger said:
No. There have never been Argentinians on the Falklands
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Never been? So who were you shooting at? Wait.. shooting at but not wishing to kill right?

Oh.. so those islands has always been a part of the UK?

I think not.
 
jaeger19 said:
Never been? So who were you shooting at? Wait.. shooting at but not wishing to kill right?

Oh.. so those islands has always been a part of the UK?

I think not.
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In all fairness, the Falklands have been in the possession of the Falklands longer than the U.S. has been in existence. To say the British need give back the Falklands to the Argentines would be the equivilant of saying give Texas back to Mexico. Argentina was not even a country until long after the U.S. became one.
 
jaeger19 said:
Never been? So who were you shooting at? Wait.. shooting at but not wishing to kill right?

Oh.. so those islands has always been a part of the UK?

I think not.
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They were never a part of Argentina nor were there ever any Argentines on it before they decided to invade it in 1982. The islands were uninhabited before their discovery by the Europeans and long before there even was an Argentina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Falkland_Islands

Were the Hawaiian islands already occupied when you forcibly took them over ?
 
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BretJ said:
In all fairness, the Falklands have been in the possession of the Falklands longer than the U.S. has been in existence. To say the British need give back the Falklands to the Argentines would be the equivilant of saying give Texas back to Mexico. Argentina was not even a country until long after the U.S. became one.
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in all fairness.. it was the British desire to expand their empire and be able to control that empire that led to their taking possessing the Falkland islands. It was about conquest..
 
flogger said:
They were never a part of Argentina nor were there ever any Argentines on it before they decided to invade it in 1982. The islands were uninhabited before their discovery by the Europeans and long before there even was an Argentina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Falkland_Islands

Were the Hawaiian islands already occupied when you forcibly took them over ?
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They also were never part of Britain. They were taken by Britain because of Britain's desire to create an empire and they were taken to enforce their military might.

And yep.. the Hawaiian islands were already occupied when we took them over.

Of course.. how about the American continent? Were their indigenous there before the British took them over? India.. Australia, New Zealand, Bahamas Barbados Jamaica Leeward Islands Antigua and Barbuda Dominica Saint Christopher (St Kitts)-Nevis
Windward Islands Grenada,Saint Lucia,Saint Vincent and the Grenadines,,ritish Guiana Berbice, Essequibo, Demerara,Falkland Islands,South Georgia South Sandwich Islands,Anglo-Egyptian Sudan (Sudan),Basutoland (Lesotho)
Balleland (Benin),Bechuanaland (Botswana),British East Africa (Kenya),British Somaliland (northern Somalia),British Togoland (eastern Ghana),British Cameroons (split between Nigeria and Cameroon),British Egypt Khedivate of Egypt
Sultanate of Egypt,Kingdom of Egypt,Gambia Colony and Protectorate,Gold Coast (Ghana),Colonial Nigeria Niger Coast Protectorate,Northern Nigeria Protectorate,Southern Nigeria Protectorate,Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria,
Northern Rhodesia (Zambia),Nyasaland (Malawi),Sierra Leone,South Africa British Cape Colony,Colony of Natal,Orange Free State,Transvaal Colony,South-West Africa (Namibia) Walvis Bay.Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe)
Swaziland,Tanganyika Territory (mainland Tanzania),Uganda Protectorate,Sultanate of Zanzibar (insular Tanzania), Burma, Ceylon (sri lanka), Samoan islands, Hong Kong, New Guinea, soloman islands, cypress, Malta..
And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head.

If you want to compare the US history of colonialism with the long, and illustrious bloody history of British conquest.. we can... but I don't think you will like the results.
 
jaeger19 said:
in all fairness.. it was the British desire to expand their empire and be able to control that empire that led to their taking possessing the Falkland islands. It was about conquest..
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The British came to the defense of it's citizens just as we would if Mexico invaded Texas. If anything, Mexico has more right to invade Texas than Argentina did the Falklands.
 
jaeger19 said:
They also were never part of Britain. They were taken by Britain because of Britain's desire to create an empire and they were taken to enforce their military might.
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But Hawaii was occupied before you forcibly took it over. That was certainly never part of the US

Of course.. how about the American continent? Were their indigenous there before the British took them over? India.. Australia, New Zealand, Bahamas Barbados Jamaica Leeward Islands Antigua and Barbuda Dominica Saint Christopher (St Kitts)-Nevis
Windward Islands Grenada,Saint Lucia,Saint Vincent and the Grenadines,,ritish Guiana Berbice, Essequibo, Demerara,Falkland Islands,South Georgia South Sandwich Islands,Anglo-Egyptian Sudan (Sudan),Basutoland (Lesotho)
Balleland (Benin),Bechuanaland (Botswana),British East Africa (Kenya),British Somaliland (northern Somalia),British Togoland (eastern Ghana),British Cameroons (split between Nigeria and Cameroon),British Egypt Khedivate of Egypt
Sultanate of Egypt,Kingdom of Egypt,Gambia Colony and Protectorate,Gold Coast (Ghana),Colonial Nigeria Niger Coast Protectorate,Northern Nigeria Protectorate,Southern Nigeria Protectorate,Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria,
Northern Rhodesia (Zambia),Nyasaland (Malawi),Sierra Leone,South Africa British Cape Colony,Colony of Natal,Orange Free State,Transvaal Colony,South-West Africa (Namibia) Walvis Bay.Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe)
Swaziland,Tanganyika Territory (mainland Tanzania),Uganda Protectorate,Sultanate of Zanzibar (insular Tanzania), Burma, Ceylon (sri lanka), Samoan islands, Hong Kong, New Guinea, soloman islands, cypress, Malta..
And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head.
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All of which have long since been independent states .... even the French Portuguese and Spanish ones you mention :lol:

The only states today which are under direct British rule are the ones which most decidedly want to be
 
jaeger19 said:
in all fairness.. it was the British desire to expand their empire and be able to control that empire that led to their taking possessing the Falkland islands. It was about conquest..
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On the contrary the Falklands islands was primarily used as a coaling station for steamships since the British acquired it in 1831 no 'conquest' was ever staged from there

The Argentine invasion of 1982 was the 'war of conquest' as there never were any oppressed Argentines living there needing to be 'liberated' by them
 
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