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Another Two-Mass Shooting Day

Only too bad the victims were not armed with guns. If they had been, they might have saved themselves from being shot.
 
calamity said:
I'd probably have to agree that 30K total gun deaths out of 300M people and the same number of guns is not all that bad. Statistically speaking, it's only 0.1% per year, a fairly decent number considering cigs kill over 10x as many. So, maybe it is a non-issue. It's all relative I guess.
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Ah, statistical nihilism. That's the most solidly defeatist kind, and my personal favorite!
 
ForeignRightist said:
Once again, more evidence for the case that we need to revise the laws regarding the mentally unstable and gun ownership.
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its already illegal for those adjudicated mentally incompetent to possess firearms. what deterioration of that standard do you want? what burden of proof is needed, in your mind, to strip someone of a constitutional right?
 
calamity said:
Of course they were. I still don't get your point.

We all know that most--by a super vast majority--of law abiding citizens stay law abiding and do not go out and shoot people. Thank god. Otherwise we'd have 120,000 gun homicides per year instead of only 12,000.

Now, even if law abiding CCW guy going rogue is a rare event, it certainly does happen. What probably happens more often though is one-time law abiding gun owner without a CCW gets mad at someone and then breaks the law by reaching for his gun to straighten things out. I do not know how often that happens, but it is not a rare event.
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but it happens far less than stuff like this

Suspect shot trying to rob gun shop (VIDEO)
 
TurtleDude said:
its already illegal for those adjudicated mentally incompetent to possess firearms. what deterioration of that standard do you want? what burden of proof is needed, in your mind, to strip someone of a constitutional right?
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I hope to see a Supreme Court with a second Trump appointee re-emphasize what the Court found in both Heller and McDonald--that the Second Amendment right is one of the select group of rights it considers fundamental. I'm concerned, just like Justice Thomas is, that it has fallen into the habit of treating that right as a redheaded stepchild. I think Justice Alito, for one, has fallen down on that score. Why should it have been seven years since the Court's last Second Amendment decision, when it has only had two all told?
 
TurtleDude said:
but it happens far less than stuff like this

Suspect shot trying to rob gun shop (VIDEO)
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Not according to most statistics I see. Chances of using a gun to save your life are far outnumbered by instances where it was used to end it or that of a loved one.

Those 259 justifiable homicides also pale compared with, in the same year, 8,342 criminal homicides using guns, 20,666 suicides with guns, and 548 fatal unintentional shootings, according to the FBI’s Supplemental Homicide Report. The ratio for 2012, per the Violence Policy Center, was one justifiable killing for every 32 murders, suicides or accidental deaths (the ratio increases to 38-1 over the five-year period ending in 2012). That’s a heavy price to pay.

Gun and self-defense statistics that might surprise you -- and the NRA - LA Times
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matchlight said:
I hope to see a Supreme Court with a second Trump appointee re-emphasize what the Court found in both Heller and McDonald--that the Second Amendment right is one of the select group of rights it considers fundamental. I'm concerned, just like Justice Thomas is, that it has fallen into the habit of treating that right as a redheaded stepchild. I think Justice Alito, for one, has fallen down on that score. Why should it have been seven years since the Court's last Second Amendment decision, when it has only had two all told?
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few people in the USA are more powerful than a supreme court justice. and gun rights are a spreading of power among the masses. That powerful government officials can be ambivalent about the dispersal of power is easily understood
 
calamity said:
Not according to most statistics I see. Chances of using a gun to save your life are far outnumbered by instances where it was used to end it or that of a loved one.
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well we know that is complete and utter BS because even the Obama run DOJ found 300K cases of self defense with firearms a year. How many people kill "loved ones" each year with LEGALLY possessed firearms? do the math, and you will see how seriously your silly argument FAILS
 
calamity said:
I'll just wait for that five-mass shooting day when I know the same gun supporters will parrot that same response.
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What are you looking to achieve with your gun threads? What would you like to see done to prevent the bad apples from committing nasty crimes?
 
TaterTots said:
What are you looking to achieve with your gun threads? What would you like to see done to prevent the bad apples from committing nasty crimes?
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:shrug:
 
matchlight said:
Only too bad the victims were not armed with guns. If they had been, they might have saved themselves from being shot.
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Does that thought process apply to children and the mentally ill as well ?

Oh wait......

TurtleDude said:
as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.
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The gun nuts fears are now justified :eek:

Time to arm the children.......
 
Utility Man said:
Does that thought process apply to children and the mentally ill as well ?

Oh wait......



The gun nuts fears are now justified :eek:

Time to arm the children.......
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I see you like the term "gun nuts." I would rather be thought of as a "gun nut" than as someone who chooses to take up space in this country and yet disrespects the fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms that the Second Amendment guarantees. People who disdain any part of the Constitution of the U.S. have no place in the U.S.
 
Utility Man said:
Does that thought process apply to children and the mentally ill as well ?

Oh wait......



The gun nuts fears are now justified :eek:

Time to arm the children.......
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why is it that every anti gun poster on this board-well almost every one is a left winger? and why do they have such a hard time actually addressing the posts they quote.

as to answering your discombobulated nonsense-see post 37
 
TaterTots said:
What are you looking to achieve with your gun threads? What would you like to see done to prevent the bad apples from committing nasty crimes?
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he has never come up with a solution and probably will argue against his own anti gun nonsense today or tomorrow.
 
calamity said:
And, it will still be true that gun violence will be the leading cause of death for people between ages 0 and 24. What's your point?
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Not according to CDC WISQARS; car accidents are still the leading cause.
 
Rucker61 said:
https://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

The CDC numbers tell a different story. Try again.
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I think Calamity's posts are impervious to factual correction. after all he claims you are more likely to KILL a loved one with a legally owned gun than stop a crime. Since even the Obama DOJ admitted about 300K crimes stopped due to legally armed citizens, that would mean over 300K loved ones being shot by family members and killed each year

but we know that there are about 32K gunshot deaths each year and about 60% of them are SUICIDES. and the remaining amount-about 11K, some are justifiable and most of the murders are thugs killing thugs with firearms they cannot legally possess.

so its about 2K cases a year of people who owned th gun legally at the time of the killing.

2K vs 300K

Geez, Calamity's math sucks big time
 
TurtleDude said:
I think Calamity's posts are impervious to factual correction. after all he claims you are more likely to KILL a loved one with a legally owned gun than stop a crime. Since even the Obama DOJ admitted about 300K crimes stopped due to legally armed citizens, that would mean over 300K loved ones being shot by family members and killed each year

but we know that there are about 32K gunshot deaths each year and about 60% of them are SUICIDES. and the remaining amount-about 11K, some are justifiable and most of the murders are thugs killing thugs with firearms they cannot legally possess.

so its about 2K cases a year of people who owned th gun legally at the time of the killing.

2K vs 300K

Geez, Calamity's math sucks big time
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Not what I said. I said you are more likely to kill yourself or a loved one than an intruder.
 
calamity said:
Not what I said. I said you are more likely to kill yourself or a loved one than an intruder.
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which is a stupid comparison since most crimes prevented by an armed homeowner does not result in the criminal DYING. Its one of those dishonest "factoids" that the anti gun movement dreams up to avoid admitting that you are many times more likely to STOP a violent crime upon your person or your family with a firearm than you are liable to kill a family member illegally with that firearm.

its as stupid as saying you are more likely to have a serious side effect from a vaccine than have the vaccine CURE a disease.
 
TurtleDude said:
which is a stupid comparison since most crimes prevented by an armed homeowner does not result in the criminal DYING. Its one of those dishonest "factoids" that the anti gun movement dreams up to avoid admitting that you are many times more likely to STOP a violent crime upon your person or your family with a firearm than you are liable to kill a family member illegally with that firearm.

its as stupid as saying you are more likely to have a serious side effect from a vaccine than have the vaccine CURE a disease.
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Yeah, maybe, but you know who does end up dying? The loved one living with a moron who has a gun.
 
calamity said:
Yeah, maybe, but you know who does end up dying? The loved one living with a moron who has a gun.
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what is your point Calamity? You have started several threads that are nothing more than stupid attempts to smear legal gun ownership. You have yet to post even fanciful solution to these things that suggest bother you. since you refuse to come up with solutions, my only recourse is to assert that your goal is to bait and smear gun owners and gun ownership because you are upset that the NRA and gun owners helped elect Trump. its the only analysis that makes sense in the face of you frantic posting of stupid anti gun smears
 
TurtleDude said:
what is your point Calamity? You have started several threads that are nothing more than stupid attempts to smear legal gun ownership. You have yet to post even fanciful solution to these things that suggest bother you. since you refuse to come up with solutions, my only recourse is to assert that your goal is to bait and smear gun owners and gun ownership because you are upset that the NRA and gun owners helped elect Trump. its the only analysis that makes sense in the face of you frantic posting of stupid anti gun smears
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Yeah!

Everyone knows that if you dont have a comprehensive solution on hand everyone agrees with, there must not be a problem!
 
Threegoofs said:
Yeah!

Everyone knows that if you dont have a comprehensive solution on hand everyone agrees with, there must not be a problem!
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wow that's just special
 
calamity said:
Yeah, maybe, but you know who does end up dying? The loved one living with a moron who has a gun.
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But you know what gets me? There are a lot of houses that have no firearms period so naturally there are no deaths recorded by other family members.ONLY houses that have any firearms can report such a thing.
That's like if you don't own a car or even drive period can you be involved in (responsible)for a auto fatality?Well short of jumping out in the road and causing someone to swerve causing one.
 
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