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Just How Racist is the NRA?

ibelsd said:
Again, if you could point to another instance where the NRA inserted itself into a similar matter, I'm willing to reconsider. The case being discussed has little to do with police policy and more to do with police panicking. As I noted before, would you like the NRA to send out a PSA to cops with the Douglas Adams line, "Don't panic," or maybe, just maybe, the NRA is just staying out of a public debate which is really not about gun rights.
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I never said they did. I simply said it seems to be something in general that the NRA should be interested in. The NRA represents the interest of gun owners. How police interact with people who legally carry firearms should be something they're interested in and should be working to insure that the rights and safety of their members are keep in the forefront of the minds of LE.

The only thing my comments have to do with the Castile incident is that I've never thought about the NRA's interest in police/legal gun carrier interactions before this.
 
TurtleDude said:
nah I think he is asking what happens to your sense of hearing and sight after you discharge a centerfire pistol in a low light enclosed area
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The noise and flash would affect me regardless of training, except that I'll close my off eye before firing. Hopefully. Other post discharge actions will include calming my family, calling the cops, calling my lawyer and finding out what happened to my Rottweiler and Lab.
 
Rucker61 said:
"As the trigger is pulled, the three inline safety mechanisms are disengaged, and the striker is moved rearward within the pistol. This increases the tension on the firing pin spring. When the trigger bar releases the firing pin lug, the striker moves forward as the firing pin spring relaxes. This motion causes the striker to impact the base of the round in the chamber, which fires the round."

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no try again.
 
Rucker61 said:
The noise and flash would affect me regardless of training, except that I'll close my off eye before firing. Hopefully. Other post discharge actions will include calming my family, calling the cops, calling my lawyer and finding out what happened to my Rottweiler and Lab.
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You would be blind and deaf, in the dark. Now if you trained in the actual of high stress low light situations, no hearing protection, etc. on a regular basis, would you be able to handle the situation better or worse than not training in such a way?


You are right it would affect you regardless.... but you will not rise to your expectation but fall to your training.


You have NO idea what a gun fight is actually like. That's most peoples issue.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You would be blind and deaf, in the dark. Now if you trained in the actual of high stress low light situations, no hearing protection, etc. on a regular basis, would you be able to handle the situation better or worse than not training in such a way?


You are right it would affect you regardless.... but you will not rise to your expectation but fall to your training.


You have NO idea what a gun fight is actually like. That's most peoples issue.
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No, I've never been in a gunfight. I do train and compete in 3 gun competition, so I know what shooting does. Why the hell would anyone train without hearing protection?

What exactly are you arguing to change?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Well, seeing as how every day on multiple occasions CCWers get pulled over during traffic stops and take wallets out after announcing they are CCWers without getting shot, I think the answer to that is obvious.
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I have everything out and in clear view before the officer gets to my vehicle.
 
Rucker61 said:
No, I've never been in a gunfight. I do train and compete in 3 gun competition, so I know what shooting does. Why the hell would anyone train without hearing protection?

What exactly are you arguing to change?
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Gun competitions involve hearing protection, lots of light.



What I am stating, is that you have no idea how to fight with a gun. if you want to be able to protect yourself and your family, you should experience what it is like in the dark, without hearing protection. 3 gun is a game, not self defense training. it's more than most. but it's not reality.


Think of it like a martial arts instructor who's never been punched in the face.
 
apdst said:
I have everything out and in clear view before the officer gets to my vehicle.
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That seems reasonable and is probably what I would do if stopped in the future, but I have also seen knowledgeable people say that that could make the officer jumpy because they can see on their inboard computer that you have a CCL and may wonder if the gun is what you are reaching for.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Gun competitions involve hearing protection, lots of light.



What I am stating, is that you have no idea how to fight with a gun. if you want to be able to protect yourself and your family, you should experience what it is like in the dark, without hearing protection. 3 gun is a game, not self defense training. it's more than most. but it's not reality.


Think of it like a martial arts instructor who's never been punched in the face.
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Yet people who have never been in gunfights win gunfights. I may not know everything on how to fight with a gun, but I don't believe you have to.
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
That seems reasonable and is probably what I would do if stopped in the future, but I have also seen knowledgeable people say that that could make the officer jumpy because they can see on their inboard computer that you have a CCL and may wonder if the gun is what you are reaching for.
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That's why I make sure of two things: there's no reaching and my hands, with my license, insurance and registration are in clearview when the officer walks up to my vehicle. It's just common sense.
 
Rucker61 said:
Yet people who have never been in gunfights win gunfights.
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Sometimes when pilots have a medical event, non pilots have landed planes. does that make it the best option?


yes, you have the rest of your life to win a gunfight. if you don't think you need any further training than playing a game. godspeed bro.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Sometimes when pilots have a medical event, non pilots have landed planes. does that make it the best option?


yes, you have the rest of your life to win a gunfight. if you don't think you need any further training than playing a game. godspeed bro.
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Is it an absolute need in every circumstance, or have relatively untrained people succeed in defending their homes with firearms? Are home invaders any better trained than someone with my level of training?

Do you fire firearms in closed in areas without hearing protection, bro?
 
apdst said:
That's why I make sure of two things: there's no reaching and my hands, with my license, insurance and registration are in clearview when the officer walks up to my vehicle. It's just common sense.
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I put my hands on the steering window and have the window down. I then tell the officer I have a ccw and whether I have a weapon within reach. I then ask him what he would like me to do
 
TurtleDude said:
I put my hands on the steering window and have the window down. I then tell the officer I have a ccw and whether I have a weapon within reach. I then ask him what he would like me to do
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You already know he's going to asj for your license and paperwork. Why not have those in your hand and both hands in clear view, while you also inform him that you have a gun within reach?

There's one constant in every officer involved shooting 100% of the time: a refusal to comply. The cop is automatically on the defensive when he steps out of his unit. I believe we citizens have a responsibility to make the officer feel at ease as much as possible. If more people did that, there would be fewer questionable officer involved shootings.
 
Rucker61 said:
Is it an absolute need in every circumstance, or have relatively untrained people succeed in defending their homes with firearms? Are home invaders any better trained than someone with my level of training?

Do you fire firearms in closed in areas without hearing protection, bro?
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I have on occasion. yes. Back when I was working with some well known instructors, we would do such to show just how disorienting is it and wouldn't put a student through that which we ourselves would not be able to do.


I have also on occasion done so outside of training. the former prepared me for the latter.


Enjoy your game.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I have on occasion. yes. Back when I was working with some well known instructors, we would do such to show just how disorienting is it and wouldn't put a student through that which we ourselves would not be able to do.


I have also on occasion done so outside of training. the former prepared me for the latter.


Enjoy your game.
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I do, thanks, while wearing proper safety gear. Have you had a chance to put your training to use?
 
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