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Just How Racist is the NRA?

Black Dog said:
Well the NRA is supported by many white people and police in particular. So as angry as I am about it, I can at least why they were such cocks. This however does not mean I will forgive them for this. They can rot in hell.
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So you want them to argue against the courts decision here? With what evidence? What statement can they make they doesn't inevitably have them being called a racist?


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blackjack50 said:
So you want them to argue against the courts decision here? With what evidence? What statement can they make they doesn't inevitably have them being called a racist?
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I wanted the NRA to stand up for a CCW holder executed by police for practicing his 2nd amendment rights. It's to late now. They made their bed. And again a precedent is set that if you are afraid of an unarmed black man for whatever reason and you are a police officer you are justified in using deadly force. Obviously the NRA has shown they have no problem with this.
 
Black Dog said:
I wanted the NRA to stand up for a CCW holder executed by police for practicing his 2nd amendment rights. It's to late now. They made their bed.
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Was the victim shot just because he had a gun, or because a police officer thought he was reaching for it?

And again a precedent is set that if you are afraid of an unarmed black man for whatever reason and you are a police officer you are justified in using deadly force. Obviously the NRA has shown they have no problem with this.
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This man was not unarmed, was he?
 
Rucker61 said:
Was the victim shot just because he had a gun, or because a police officer thought he was reaching for it?
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You saw the video. You are telling me you don't recognize panic when you see it? Castile said "I am not reaching for it" after the officer told him to get his license. So no. The victim was shot because he was a scary black man who said he had a gun. The officer then panicked.

Rucker61 said:
This man was not unarmed, was he?
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He was a legal CCW holder with a weapon which he declared like he was supposed to, to the officer.
 
Black Dog said:
I wanted the NRA to stand up for a CCW holder executed by police for practicing his 2nd amendment rights. It's to late now. They made their bed. And again a precedent is set that if you are afraid of an unarmed black man for whatever reason and you are a police officer you are justified in using deadly force. Obviously the NRA has shown they have no problem with this.
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Again. Evidence? Can you counter the court ruling with evidence? You are asking the NRA to make a statement with no evidence. I don't think anyone really disagrees here that the cop panicked. But what we do know...is that by NOT MAKING A STATEMENT....this is now a holy war on the NRA. So you can complain about it and side with the anti gun crowd...or you can understand that the Nra is better off not speaking out and alienating anyone.

This is pretend outrage. This guy was a lawful carrier. You can be mad at the cop. Or you can make it political and go for the Nra. Cui Bono?


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calamity said:
Very racist, it seems

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ict-the-nra-is-silent/?utm_term=.176e7033d818



Black guy with legal gun and CCW shot by cop...crickets. Good job, NRA.
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Liberal bitch about the NRA making a statement when they do, and now they bitch when you think they haven't!

Here you go! Next time why don't you do a little research instead of believing what Noah Trevor stated on his show!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/20/philando-castile-shooting-nra-response-colion-noir

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Black Dog said:
You saw the video. You are telling me you don't recognize panic when you see it? Castile said "I am not reaching for it" after the officer told him to get his license. So no. The victim was shot because he was a scary black man who said he had a gun. The officer then panicked.
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He said that he wasn't reaching for it. I couldn't see if he actually did or did not reach for anything.

He was a legal CCW holder with a weapon which he declared like he was supposed to, to the officer.
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Indeed. And I could not see what happened inside the vehicle before and during the shooting. I do know that the police officer was tried by a jury and found not guilty. Is the NRA supposed to protest against the justice system?
 
RickJames3000 said:
This is the problem right here, and why the NRA does indeed have a "race problem".
A majority of NRA members are going to be reactionary in their defense of the actions of a cop (no matter how trigger-happy) over the black man who gets shot in a questionable interaction.

It's all political for the NRA, and that is why they remain silent on the issue.
Just check out this board where y'all were celebrating Yanez's "exoneration" by having a toast in his honor.
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Excuse me.. but what exactly are you basing that that NRA has a race problem?

Because NRA members support their police force? Well.. that's just about every member of society in one form or another.

Yes.. you should check out the boards. You will find several NRA members, myself a life member.. that does not agree with the jury decision in the Castile shooting.

Your opinion of the NRA is not bound by facts..
 
JLee1977 said:
Liberal bitch about the NRA making a statement when they do, and now they bitch when you think they haven't!

Here you go! Next time why don't you do a little research instead of believing what Noah Trevor stated on his show!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/20/philando-castile-shooting-nra-response-colion-noir

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Bull****

Charles Nichols of California Right to Carry recently shared with me two constituent letters in which Assemblyman Don Mulford (R-Oakland), chief sponsor of California's open-carry ban, noted the NRA's support for his bill. "I am sure you are aware that I am very grateful to the National Rifle Association for its help in making my gun control bill, AB 1591, a workable piece of legislation, yet protecting the Constitutional rights of citizens," Mulford says in a letter dated June 15, 1967. "The bill enjoyed the full support of the National Rifle Association," he says in another letter with the same date...

"Don't forget in those days...you had the Black Panthers running around with loaded guns in the streets and a number of other acts of violence or near violence."

When the NRA Opposed Open Carry - Hit & Run : Reason.com
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blackjack50 said:
Again. Evidence? Can you counter the court ruling with evidence? You are asking the NRA to make a statement with no evidence. I don't think anyone really disagrees here that the cop panicked. But what we do know...is that by NOT MAKING A STATEMENT....this is now a holy war on the NRA. So you can complain about it and side with the anti gun crowd...or you can understand that the Nra is better off not speaking out and alienating anyone.

This is pretend outrage. This guy was a lawful carrier. You can be mad at the cop. Or you can make it political and go for the Nra. Cui Bono?


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Yes I can. I saw the dash cam video. I am an ex LEO and military, I know panic when I see it. I am a black man and CCW carrier, there is nothing "pretend" about my outrage.
 
Black Dog said:
Yes I can. I saw the dash cam video. I am an ex LEO and military, I know panic when I see it. I am a black man and CCW carrier, there is nothing "pretend" about my outrage.
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Would you panic if you thought someone was pulling a gun on you?
 
Black Dog said:
You saw the video. You are telling me you don't recognize panic when you see it? Castile said "I am not reaching for it" after the officer told him to get his license. So no. The victim was shot because he was a scary black man who said he had a gun. The officer then panicked.



He was a legal CCW holder with a weapon which he declared like he was supposed to, to the officer.
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The more I learn about this event, the more I am beginning to conclude that the victim did nothing wrong.
 
Rucker61 said:
He said that he wasn't reaching for it. I couldn't see if he actually did or did not reach for anything.
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He was a law abiding citizen legally carrying. What reason prey tell would he have to reach for a weapon?

Rucker61 said:
Indeed. And I could not see what happened inside the vehicle before and during the shooting. I do know that the police officer was tried by a jury and found not guilty. Is the NRA supposed to protest against the justice system?
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No. They were supposed to say something BEFORE the trial. It's to late now. I don't expect a damn thing from them.
 
Rucker61 said:
Would you panic if you thought someone was pulling a gun on you?
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Would he have "panicked" if the guy in the driver's seat was white?

The MJ article I cited earlier seems to indicate probably not.
 
Rucker61 said:
Would you panic if you thought someone was pulling a gun on you?
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For a burnt out taillight with his kid in the car AFTER he told me about his weapon and CCW license? No, no.
 
calamity said:
The more I learn about this event, the more I am beginning to conclude that the victim did nothing wrong.
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I was unsure until I saw the dash cam video. This man should have never been an officer.
 
calamity said:
The more I learn about this event, the more I am beginning to conclude that the victim did nothing wrong.
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I've had my CCW Licences for about 6 years now and I've never once even dreamed about having to shoot and unarmed person ... SEVERAL TIMES ... IN THE BACK. That just sounds like murder to me.

I can't even think of a scenario where I would feel the need to continuously shoot someone while they are running away from me. But unfortunately one of the reasons why I carry a weapon all the time now, is to defend myself from people who are suppose to defend me. It sounds crazy, but that's the world I find myself in now ... and all by vehicles have Supporting Illinois Fraternal Order of Police Member on them.
 
Cigar said:
I've had my CCW Licences for about 6 years now and I've never once even dreamed about having to shoot and unarmed person ... SEVERAL TIMES ... IN THE BACK. That just sounds like murder to me.

I can't even think of a scenario where I would feel the need to continuously shoot someone while they are running away from me. But unfortunately one of the reasons why I carry a weapon all the time now, is to defend myself from people who are suppose to defend me. It sounds crazy, but that's the world I find myself in now ... and all by vehicles have Supporting Illinois Fraternal Order of Police Member on them.
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This was a case of the victim being shot while he was sitting in his car, with a kid in the backseat . The "running away, shoot the guy in the back" cop plead guilty last month.
 
calamity said:
This was a case of the victim being shot while he was sitting in his car, with a kid in the backseat . The "running away, shoot the guy in the back" cop plead guilty last month.
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Well we can all see with out eyes he was guilty :lamo

One is a Trained Law Enforcement Professional ...

The other was a Civilian ...

Guess which one was trained on how to handled themselves on a routine traffic stop?
 
Black Dog said:
He was a law abiding citizen legally carrying. What reason prey tell would he have to reach for a weapon?
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It's not whether he had a reason to reach for his weapon, or even that he did. I'm sure that he was not reaching for his weapon. The questions are on the officer's side of the tragedy: does he have reason to believe that the victim was telling the truth about legally carrying, and do CCW holders ever shoot anyone? The VPC seems to think that we're dangerous as hell.
No. They were supposed to say something BEFORE the trial. It's to late now. I don't expect a damn thing from them.
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What were they supposed to say, and at what point? Did the NRA have access to all of the evidence? Should they have attempted to influence or risk influencing the outcome of the trial?

Admittedly, I'm no fan of the NRA leadership. I also do not have your perspective as a former LEO and a black man. I think the trial could have gone either way.
 
Black Dog said:
I was unsure until I saw the dash cam video. This man should have never been an officer.
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I'll certainly defer to your experience in this matter.
 
Rucker61 said:
He wasn't shot just because he was carrying; he was shot because he announced he was carrying then reached down towards his waist. The officer then had a choice to decide whether the person in front of him was reaching for wallet or gun. What do you think most cops would do?

Also, if he was actually under the influence of marijuana, he was no longer legally carrying.
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This is a terrible argument. From watching the video, I feel pretty confident in stating that the cop overreacted. The driver was calm. He was compliant. The officer got scared and shot the guy. I think most cops would have handled the situation without firing a weapon. I think it is fair to acknowledge that this cop reacted poorly and should not be a cop.

Regarding the NRA and why it has remained silent... the truth is that I couldn't find a single instance where the NRA got involved in an incident where a gun owner was shot by police. I don't think this is a black v. white issue. I think it is that the NRA typically does not get involved in these types of issues. If I had to guess, the main reason is that the NRA does not want to alienate law enforcement. Perhaps, though, its just outside of what the NRA does. It is a gun advocacy group. It is worried about gun legislation, not bad policing. Perhaps, if the Castille shooting was the result of some specific policy, then the NRA would have a reason to get involved. However, the most likely explanation is that a cop panicked. What do people want the NRA to say here? Cops! Don't panic....

As is usually the case, people need to get a grip.
 
Rucker61 said:
It's not whether he had a reason to reach for his weapon, or even that he did. I'm sure that he was not reaching for his weapon. The questions are on the officer's side of the tragedy: does he have reason to believe that the victim was telling the truth about legally carrying, and do CCW holders ever shoot anyone? The VPC seems to think that we're dangerous as hell.
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Which is absolute bullshit (not your statement, the shooting facts). You are more likely to be shot by a police officer than a CCW holder. I don't care what the officer thought. He fucked up real bad. He panicked because a black guy had a gun, that could have been me. There is no excuse or valid reason for this man to be dead at the hands of this chicken shit cowardly cop.

Rucker61 said:
What were they supposed to say, and at what point? Did the NRA have access to all of the evidence? Should they have attempted to influence or risk influencing the outcome of the trial?

Admittedly, I'm no fan of the NRA leadership. I also do not have your perspective as a former LEO and a black man. I think the trial could have gone either way.
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The NRA could have said something, anything in support of this CCW holder who was gunned down for simply being black.
 
ibelsd said:
This is a terrible argument. From watching the video, I feel pretty confident in stating that the cop overreacted. The driver was calm. He was compliant. The officer got scared and shot the guy. I think most cops would have handled the situation without firing a weapon. I think it is fair to acknowledge that this cop reacted poorly and should not be a cop.

Regarding the NRA and why it has remained silent... the truth is that I couldn't find a single instance where the NRA got involved in an incident where a gun owner was shot by police. I don't think this is a black v. white issue. I think it is that the NRA typically does not get involved in these types of issues. If I had to guess, the main reason is that the NRA does not want to alienate law enforcement. Perhaps, though, its just outside of what the NRA does. It is a gun advocacy group. It is worried about gun legislation, not bad policing. Perhaps, if the Castille shooting was the result of some specific policy, then the NRA would have a reason to get involved. However, the most likely explanation is that a cop panicked. What do people want the NRA to say here? Cops! Don't panic....

As is usually the case, people need to get a grip.
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The typical reaction is to defend the Cop at any cost and despite what their own eye and ears are telling them.
 
ibelsd said:
This is a terrible argument. From watching the video, I feel pretty confident in stating that the cop overreacted. The driver was calm. He was compliant. The officer got scared and shot the guy. I think most cops would have handled the situation without firing a weapon. I think it is fair to acknowledge that this cop reacted poorly and should not be a cop.
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I certainly have no data to counter this point. I definitely don't have access to everything presented to the jury. I would hate to have to make that decision in a second or two.

Regarding the NRA and why it has remained silent... the truth is that I couldn't find a single instance where the NRA got involved in an incident where a gun owner was shot by police. I don't think this is a black v. white issue. I think it is that the NRA typically does not get involved in these types of issues. If I had to guess, the main reason is that the NRA does not want to alienate law enforcement. Perhaps, though, its just outside of what the NRA does. It is a gun advocacy group. It is worried about gun legislation, not bad policing. Perhaps, if the Castille shooting was the result of some specific policy, then the NRA would have a reason to get involved. However, the most likely explanation is that a cop panicked. What do people want the NRA to say here? Cops! Don't panic....

As is usually the case, people need to get a grip.
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Good points.
 
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