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The Gun Control movement banks on dishonesty [W:103]

jet57 said:
For the last time before you get on the "just going to ignore you list"- get off the merry -go -round with me on that.

NONE of what I own has ever been used to mow down 49 people or more in one shot.

Alright?

That's it.

Move on.
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uh you are lying again. its dishonest to pick one number and pretend your rifle is not any more dangerous than an AR15 based on reported incidents. Its like saying that the brand of truck Tim McVeigh used should be banned and ones that are exactly the same in terms of size, engine power and capacity should not be banned because those other brands have not been used to kill how many people died in the OC explosion. The fact is, any massacre of a given number of people perpetrated with an AR 15 would have not turned out any differently if the perpetrator had used an MI Carbine with 30 round magazines. True the AR 15 round has higher ME than the 30 caliber carbine round but in some cases the slower heavier carbine round is more lethal depending on the hit location

so your argument is specious and dishonest. the Texas tower shooter had an MI carbine btw. Whitman IIRC. I have never seen a breakdown on how many he killed with his rifle vs his carbine.
 
Rucker61 said:
So you want to ban trucks and gas cans with a higher priority than AR-15s?

What is the threshold number for banning a firearm?
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His arguments are so awful and so poorly reasoned that I am starting to suspect their are the product of POE. None of what I own has ever been used to mow down 49 people either. the only weapons that have been used to do that are the weapons that the killers used.

a logical argument would be based on the capabilities of the weapon and in that case the AR 15 and the MI carbine are basically the same. But that would destroy Jet's pathetic argument. SO he is going on brand and model, not capacity, capability etc.
 
Rucker61 said:
So you want to ban trucks and gas cans with a higher priority than AR-15s?

What is the threshold number for banning a firearm?
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The threshold is - are they being used in mass murder around the country? Can they be curtailed by - reducing the size of clips? restricting types of ammo? Or should they just be banned from public sale until such a time as they are no longer such a threat to public safety.

And I thought you were going to grab your credit card and go out and buy one of these -


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It's a gun right?
 
Turtledude, still cannot prove me wrong on any account with respect to guns, so all he can do is personalize and criticize.

Still waiting for the credible proof that shows how wrong I am on everything.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have been saying this for years. and here is some more proof

Connecticut Rep. Esty Encourages Gun Control Trickery - LPP

According to the Connecticut Post, while speaking to an audience at a recent Pride Fund event Esty said they should never use the term “gun control” but always use the term “gun safety.” Talking about gun control immediately alienates approximately 15 percent of male voters.
PJ Media reported that Esty offered the advice to people who were advocating for tougher gun laws. They simply want to create the impression they’re talking about something else, but when it comes to genuine gun safety, there is only one side that teaches that, and it’s not the gun control crowd.



so when you hear crap like "gun safety" or "common sense" or "reasonable" gun laws you know its going to be more schemes to disarm you and rape your second amendment rights
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I have a hard time seeing how using a different but still very accurate term is being dishonest, and I have no idea how anyone thinks this proves that the entire gun control movement is all about banning any and all guns. Every group wants to message their agenda in the smartest way possible. "Gun safety" sounds more appealing to many than "gun control" therefor she advocated the terms use. No where do I see where she said "we can take peoples guns and just call it gun safety!"

Not surprising that people would lie about it for a reason to get all angry. Democrats aren't in power so they need to make up lies about something else.
 
jet57 said:
The threshold is - are they being used in mass murder around the country? Can they be curtailed by - reducing the size of clips? restricting types of ammo? Or should they just be banned from public sale until such a time as they are no longer such a threat to public safety.
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We've seen that complete bans on the fully automatic versions of similar firearms didn't stop mass shooters in Paris. We know that white box trucks are available to rent in every state in the union, and mass murders killed 86 people with one of those. We know that the data shows that these types of firearms are used about once a year in mass murders, and that other firearms are used much more often in mass murders and in common murders. We know that your ban proposal is just to stop selling them, and that the 10 million in citizens' hands now would last a hundred years or more until the last one was gone.

And I thought you were going to grab your credit card and go out and buy one of these -


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It's a gun right?
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There are lots of guns I have no interest in. I don't even want the latest CZ pistol, and I'm a CZ fan.
 
jet57 said:
Turtledude, still cannot prove me wrong on any account with respect to guns, so all he can do is personalize and criticize.

Still waiting for the credible proof that shows how wrong I am on everything.
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Was the M1 carbine and M1911A1 pistol designed to be weapons of war? You refuse to answer this. It's very telling.
 
Rucker61 said:
We've seen that complete bans on the fully automatic versions of similar firearms didn't stop mass shooters in Paris. We know that white box trucks are available to rent in every state in the union, and mass murders killed 86 people with one of those. We know that the data shows that these types of firearms are used about once a year in mass murders, and that other firearms are used much more often in mass murders and in common murders. We know that your ban proposal is just to stop selling them, and that the 10 million in citizens' hands now would last a hundred years or more until the last one was gone.



There are lots of guns I have no interest in. I don't even want the latest CZ pistol, and I'm a CZ fan.
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We're not in Paris though are we... And just imagine if such weapons could be purchased legally.

Secondly, whether you wanted such a - gun - as pictured was not the point.

You should just be able to waltz right out there an buy it though right? I mean, you ARE a law abiding citizen.

But you can't, so why do you suppose that is?
 
jet57 said:
We're not in Paris though are we... And just imagine if such weapons could be purchased legally.
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They can be. We have just under half a million in the US now. Why do you suppose that a ban on AR-15s here would work any better than a ban on fully automatic weapons in France did?

ATF Reveals The Number of Registered Machine Guns - The Truth About Guns

Secondly, whether you wanted such a - gun - as pictured was not the point.

You should just be able to waltz right out there an buy it though right? I mean, you ARE a law abiding citizen.


But you can't, so why do you suppose that is?
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Because it's restricted by NFA 1934 as a destructive device? I didn't see any for sale on Gunbroker, but mortars are certainly there: http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=mortar&Sort=13

Were M1 carbines and M1911A1 pistols designed as weapons of war <---- You really are afraid to answer this, aren't you?
 
jet57 said:
(chuckle)

You've tried to find a ole in my proof by shifting the goal post from "it was designed as a military combat weapon" to - "it's not a military weapon" - now.

IT IS a military weapon RedAkston: that;s what it as designed for and that's why mass murderers and terrorists use that and others like it; because of what it can do.

So, you have no point and not disproven anything I've said.
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The only one who has been moving the goalposts is you.

I don't know why you even try any more jet. You've proven to be nothing short of dishonest, blind and ignorant about guns with every post you make. Watching you try to debate anything is like watching a monkey in a lab trying day after day after day trying to fit the same square peg in the same round hole. You've been here for more than 5 years and have yet to win a single debate. Your tactics are lame, repetitive and lack substance on a level that has rarely been witnessed in the history of mankind.

It's clear to anyone who has read your ramblings that you are incapable of using logic or common sense and you continue to prove this every time you post. My 2 year old granddaughter can make a more convincing argument than you can and she can't even type.

As many times as you've embarrassed yourself with your posts, it's fairly obvious that you're only here to seek attention. You've been caught telling lies, being dishonest, changing your story, ignoring the facts presented to you and showing that you consistently fail to grasp the concept of debate. One could lay down and give you a "win" and you'd still **** that up. I don't think I've ever seen someone who can't form a cohesive argument about something they are so interested in as you.
 
jet57 said:
And to you- same thing:

For the last time before you get on the "just going to ignore you list"- get off the merry -go -round with me on that.

NONE of what I own has ever been used to mow down 49 people or more in one shot.

Alright?

That's it.

Move on.
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Explain why they are not as capable Jet. If it were that easy, all you have to do is explain why rather than posture and avoid answering. The issue is not "have they been used". What everyone can grasp, except you, is that your firearms are just as capable as an AR as are any number of other firearms. So for you to support restrictions on a firearm simply on the basis of appearance or that it was designed for the military vice capability shows how ignorant and short sighted you choose to be on the subject.
 
Rucker61 said:
They can be. We have just under half a million in the US now. Why do you suppose that a ban on AR-15s here would work any better than a ban on fully automatic weapons in France did?

ATF Reveals The Number of Registered Machine Guns - The Truth About Guns



Because it's restricted by NFA 1934 as a destructive device? I didn't see any for sale on Gunbroker, but mortars are certainly there: http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=mortar&Sort=13

Were M1 carbines and M1911A1 pistols designed as weapons of war <---- You really are afraid to answer this, aren't you?
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You just made the famous "Turtledude is just being ignored list"
 
BretJ said:
Explain why they are not as capable Jet. If it were that easy, all you have to do is explain why rather than posture and avoid answering. The issue is not "have they been used". What everyone can grasp, except you, is that your firearms are just as capable as an AR as are any number of other firearms. So for you to support restrictions on a firearm simply on the basis of appearance or that it was designed for the military vice capability shows how ignorant and short sighted you choose to be on the subject.
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What's not capable?
 
jet57 said:
You just made the famous "Turtledude is just being ignored list"
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Because he posted supporting information which you cannot stomach? Or is it because you don't want to answer a simple question as asked at the end of his post that puts you in a position which would show you to be two faced?
 
jet57 said:
And YOU just made the "Turtledude is just ignored" list.


:2wave:
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Because you cannot answer a question which proves you are two faced. All you have to do is answer a simple question to get off your proverbial merry go round. Shows exactly what kind of a man you are. Sleep well.
 
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