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Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds[W:1693]

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ataraxia said:
Oh, and don't forget: the NRA banned all further research in the public health and epidemiology of gun ownership too. The results were overwhelmingly starting to show that owning a gun not only didn't make anyone safer, it made everyone in the household LESS safe. So the research was banned too.

The NRA has blocked gun violence research for 20 years. Let's end its stranglehold on science. - LA Times

Yeah, it's all about freedom, right?
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The Department of Justice, Harvard and Johns Hopkins would be surprised to find out that the studies on gun violence they've published in the last 20 years weren't actually published. Heck, even CDC has published studies:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm

http://www.dhss.delaware.gov/dhss/cdcfinalreport.pdf
 
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cabse5 said:
If you care about children's deaths, why don't you focus you attention on the leading causes of children's deaths in America??
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Freedom is balanced by risk in terms of preventable harm.

Why don't you let me pick my own causes, and you can go pick your own causes, and then you can stop demanding that i fight my causes the way you would?
 
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Absentglare said:
I think some gun owners should exercise better discretion in terms of personal responsibility. Is that a smear? It's not much of a solution, but it's still better than just being unaware of the numbers.
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oh cut the crap. if that is the extent of your support for more gun laws, you wouldn't be pushing this issue. you do realize most gun deaths other than suicide are caused by people who knowingly own guns contrary to state and federal law
 
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jet57 said:
And then one gets killed.
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When I was a little kid I remember playing in a big closet and saw my dads rifle in the corner and I knew to leave it alone without it being drilled into me. I wasn't taught by the anti gun media and all the anti gun
groups that firearms weren't some kind of boogeymen.And no one got killed or ran from the house screaming gun! gun! He got a gun!
 
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TurtleDude said:
they don't have things like the fourth amendment or 250 years of a tradition of the people being sovereign and owning firearms.

I would love to hear a collectivist actually come up with a solution that would work. I have yet to see one
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This collectivist notes: Our traditions and history are mixed, from post-revolutionary laws requiring people to have functioning firearms to significant restrictions. I assume that some forms of background checks are useful, but there are probably so many firearms in circulation and so many different forms of sales and exchanges of guns that the overall effect is marginal. I repeat that we cannot change our current culture, but nibbling around the edges might save some lives.

There was a time when the NRA was collectivist, was not a lobby for the firearms industry, and did support gun control, but apparently that ended in the 1970s. Recommended is "Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America," by Adam Winkler. Enough there to make both supporters and opponents of gun control re-examine their beliefs about our history on this topic.
 
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Perhaps we should all just give up this notion that as a society we give a ****. We decided long ago to accept the trade off.
 
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Nickyjo said:
This collectivist notes: Our traditions and history are mixed, from post-revolutionary laws requiring people to have functioning firearms to significant restrictions. I assume that some forms of background checks are useful, but there are probably so many firearms in circulation and so many different forms of sales and exchanges of guns that the overall effect is marginal. I repeat that we cannot change our current culture, but nibbling around the edges might save some lives.

There was a time when the NRA was collectivist, was not a lobby for the firearms industry, and did support gun control, but apparently that ended in the 1970s.
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Right about the time that the gun banning efforts started. The NRA is not a lobby for the firearms industry. The NRA-ILA does lobby for Second Amendment rights, and that effort does benefit the firearms industry. The NSSF is the lobby for the firearms industry, which, like any other industry, deserves a lobby.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
How many children commit suicide with a gun? Who allows depressed children access?
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In many gun studies, 21 or just under twenty one is considered a child.
 
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Fenton Lum said:
Perhaps we should all just give up this notion that as a society we give a ****. We decided long ago to accept the trade off.
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Or you could provide suggestions that are Constitutional, effective, enforceable and will to be enforced to reduce gun violence in the US.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
So many shootings, and nothing done to stop them. Even for the children.
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Exactly.. way too much time spent on trying to solve the problems with gun control... which is a useless endeavor.

If only the liberals were willing to listen to reasonable solutions than always trying to blame firearms.

but sadly.. they think the answer is such absurd things as gun free zones and background checks and limiting a magazine to 7 rounds instead of 9.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I bet you cannot find a single case of a child who was killed while playing with the family's AK 47. you demonstrate you have no clue about firearms with that nonsense
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What are you talking about? Guns are the 3rd leading cause of death in the pediatric age group, not far behind childhood cancer.

Few stories are more heartbreaking than those involving children who are injured or killed by gunshots. It isn't hard to find them: In June alone, a 6-year-old accidentally shot and killed a 4-year-old in South Carolina, a father accidentally shot and killed his 9-year-old daughter in Indiana and an 8-year-old Mississippi boy was accidentally shot in the chest while playing with his family's gun. His grandparents drove him to the hospital, but he died 45 minutes later.
Kids and Guns: Shootings Now Third Leading Cause of Death for U.S. Children
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who is trying to ban bleach?
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No one. And yet we let doctors educate their patients on safety for them. What's different about guns?
 
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Absentglare said:
Freedom is balanced by risk in terms of preventable harm.

Why don't you let me pick my own causes, and you can go pick your own causes, and then you can stop demanding that i fight my causes the way you would?
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I question you motive of controlling guns just to prevent children's deaths.
 
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TurtleDude said:
oh cut the crap. if that is the extent of your support for more gun laws, you wouldn't be pushing this issue. you do realize most gun deaths other than suicide are caused by people who knowingly own guns contrary to state and federal law
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How am i pushing the issue?

Ignorance betrays vigilance.
 
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Absentglare said:
How am i pushing the issue?

Ignorance betrays vigilance.
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Do you have any suggestions to address the issue?
 
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Rucker61 said:
Or you could provide suggestions that are Constitutional, effective, enforceable and will to be enforced to reduce gun violence in the US.
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That approach got us here, we're just not that into it as a society.
 
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Fenton Lum said:
That approach got us here, we're just not that into it as a society.
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Can you elaborate? Are you saying that we need solutions outside of those requirements?
 
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=Dragonfly;1067332193]Feel free to start your own threads on those issues.
That's not what this thread, or this section of DP is devoted to.
Deflection noted.
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Deflection?Choking and auto deaths? So what you are saying is no comparisons allowed? So what is allowable, children killed by smelling Unicorn farts?
It's absolutely astounding, completely frightening, yet totally expected to see that some people don't give a flying rat's ass that multiple children, every single day of the year in the USofA, are being killed by guns.
The mere suggestion, of having a discussion, on how to solve that problem immediately dissolves into "STOP TRYING TO TAKE MY GUNS YOU STINKING BASTARD".
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Ah yes the mere suggestion. And the largest response from the anti side is more regulations if not outright banning.I think your side of the "discussion"is a mirror of ours only much more rabid.
 
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Nickyjo said:
This collectivist notes: Our traditions and history are mixed, from post-revolutionary laws requiring people to have functioning firearms to significant restrictions. I assume that some forms of background checks are useful, but there are probably so many firearms in circulation and so many different forms of sales and exchanges of guns that the overall effect is marginal. I repeat that we cannot change our current culture, but nibbling around the edges might save some lives.

There was a time when the NRA was collectivist, was not a lobby for the firearms industry, and did support gun control, but apparently that ended in the 1970s. Recommended is "Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America," by Adam Winkler. Enough there to make both supporters and opponents of gun control re-examine their beliefs about our history on this topic.
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that change took place when the Democrat party decided it could run away from the fact that Dems coddled street criminals by pretending gun control was crime control. and when the NRA called BS on that lie, the Dems made punishing the NRA and its supporters a main part of its agenda
 
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Absentglare said:
Awareness, recognition, and caution would be nice.
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All for that. Care to elaborate how we get there?
 
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=Josie;1067333363]It's absolutely astounding, completely frightening, yet totally expected to see that some people don't give a flying rat's ass that multiple children, every single day of the year in the USofA, are being killed by pools and cars. MORE children drown and die in car accidents than in gun-related deaths. Why doesn't anyone call for stricter pool laws? Why doesn't anyone call for stricter vehicle laws? Why is it only the third-leading cause of death in children that gets the attention? Why is it only those children who matter?
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And you are right.For the most part the anti gun lobby owns the media(could be the other way round).However what is more newsworthy kids being shot in drive by shootings or just shot in general or drowned in a pool or any other host of ways?And what better way to advance their agenda.

Your hyperbole is noted. EVERYONE cares that children are dying. And I'm willing to bet that most of those "children" are actually teenagers and are in gangs or killed by gangs. Should we visit the gang-heavy cities and review their gun control laws? How's that working out?
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Bet you would be right to.
 
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If a guns kills someone it should certainly be put in jail. But only the guns that actually shoot people. Innocent guns should go free. Problem solved. ;)
 
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Absentglare said:
People do call for stricter laws regulating cars and pools. How do you think cell phone driving laws came to be? Did they magically appear into existence?
Your refusal to address the topic, cowardly escaping to some equivocated nonsense, speaks for itself.
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Guess that's why I'm constantly passed when I'm doing the speed limit and see people blabbing on their cellphones going down the road. The cellphone thing is probably why my daughter and I almost got sideswiped yesterday.
 
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Absentglare said:
So you think that we should neglect any attempt to prevent the deaths of 1,300 dead children for the sake of other dead children.

And you think this makes sense, don't you?
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Or perhaps they are against attempts that will do nothing to prevent childrens deaths and will only serve to curtail peoples freedoms.
 
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ataraxia said:
When you buy pools, boats, and cars, you get some information on how to store them safely, and how to use them properly to avoid injuries. But when it comes to guns, the NRA has successfully lobbied to gag pediatricians and other physicians from educating people of the potential dangers of guns in a home with small children in it, or even how to store them so the kids can't get to them. They can do that with the bottle of bleach, but not guns. It might spook potential customers and hurt sales if they knew about potential dangers, you know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician_gag_law

And you thought it was just about protecting the Constitution.
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Doctors and guns why would I want my Dr. giving me a lecture on something she doesn't know about?https://www.scribd.com/document/60579601/Physician-Firearms-Advice-Affidavit Look familiar?
 
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