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Does personal tragedy affect views on gun ownership?

Absentglare said:
He killed his son with his gun. I don't think anything about a man who unapologetically kills his own son with his hobby is "great".
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It's an accident. What should he do?
He owned up to his own mistake, refusing to blame anyone but himself.
 
whateverdude said:
It's an accident. What should he do?
He owned up to his own mistake, refusing to blame anyone but himself.
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Whatever he wants. I don't see a point in glorifying a man who stands by his hobby after it kills his son.
 
VanceMack said:
Considering the number of people that die each year due to texting and driving, should that alter peoples positions on owning cell phones and cars?
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Yes. Do you want to make a thread where that discussion is actually relevant?
 
VanceMack said:
I completely agree. IMO it's one of the greatest disservices done by the anti-gun left that they do try to turn every tragic event into an opportunity to pass more stupid and ineffective laws. It does and always will have a reliable oppositional result. That HAS to happen. Gun owners cannot afford to ignore the anti gun lefts actions. We have seen the results in states like Cali, NY, Conn, etc. But it WOULD be nice to focus solely on gun safety and responsible gun ownership.


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What an incredibly stupid post. Why do you hold your political opponents responsible for championing your own personal views?
 
Absentglare said:
Whatever he wants. I don't see a point in glorifying a man who stands by his hobby after it kills his son.
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Why shouldn't he? You can't just abandoned your morals after something happens. You need to stand by whatever principles you have even if something like that happens.
And he's right. And his hobby didn't kill his son, he did. And it's not a hobby it's a right
 
whateverdude said:
Why shouldn't he? You can't just abandoned your morals after something happens. You need to stand by whatever principles you have even if something like that happens.
And he's right. And his hobby didn't kill his son, he did. And it's not a hobby it's a right
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His hobby played a role in his son's death. The firearm played a causal role in killing the son. The son died from wounds that originated from the firearm. The firearm was loaded and they were there, discharging firearms, as part of the hobby they shared.

The fact that he doubles down on his own negligence is even more tragic, not something to celebrate.
 
Absentglare said:
Whatever he wants. I don't see a point in glorifying a man who stands by his hobby after it kills his son.
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you and other BM members would prefer he screams that guns are bad and need to be banned?
 
Absentglare said:
What an incredibly stupid post. Why do you hold your political opponents responsible for championing your own personal views?
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Irony meter just escaped the earth's gravitational pull on that bit of silliness.
 
whateverdude said:
Why shouldn't he? You can't just abandoned your morals after something happens. You need to stand by whatever principles you have even if something like that happens.
And he's right. And his hobby didn't kill his son, he did. And it's not a hobby it's a right
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BM members try to denigrate the right as a trivial hobby.
 
TurtleDude said:
you and other BM members would prefer he screams that guns are bad and need to be banned?
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I don't see any reason to amplify the political ramblings of someone who kills their own son.

TurtleDude said:
Irony meter just escaped the earth's gravitational pull on that bit of silliness.
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Go and and explain why you think it's ironic.
 
Absentglare said:
I don't see any reason to amplify the political ramblings of someone who kills their own son.



Go and and explain why you think it's ironic.
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you called his post stupid. Your posts on gun issues are invariably stupid. your comments about a guy who refused to blame the gun or gun ownership for his own stupidity, are pathetic
 
TurtleDude said:
you called his post stupid. Your posts on gun issues are invariably stupid. your comments about a guy who refused to blame the gun or gun ownership for his own stupidity, are pathetic
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No, you don't understand.

He was arguing that in favor of gun control policies (specifically ones that focus on gun safety), but he did it by attacking proponents of gun control. That's blatantly stupid.

If he has a political cause, he should take it up himself rather than cowardly expecting the opposition to do it for him.
 
Absentglare said:
No, you don't understand.

He was arguing that in favor of gun control policies (specifically ones that focus on gun safety), but he did it by attacking proponents of gun control. That's blatantly stupid.

If he has a political cause, he should take it up himself rather than cowardly expecting the opposition to do it for him.
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one of the most disgusting frauds by the bannerrhoid movement is calling their desired gun bans as "gun safety"

the bannerrhoid movement does almost nothing to promote actual gun safety. They don't train people how to safely use firearms. they don't train armed citizens who to defend themselves with firearms or teach cops to survive gun fights. their concept of safety is to make the lives of violent criminals safer by trying to disarm honest civilians
 
TurtleDude said:
one of the most disgusting frauds by the bannerrhoid movement is calling their desired gun bans as "gun safety"

the bannerrhoid movement does almost nothing to promote actual gun safety. They don't train people how to safely use firearms. they don't train armed citizens who to defend themselves with firearms or teach cops to survive gun fights. their concept of safety is to make the lives of violent criminals safer by trying to disarm honest civilians
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That tangent has almost no relationship to our conversation.
 
TurtleDude said:
one of the most disgusting frauds by the bannerrhoid movement is calling their desired gun bans as "gun safety"

the bannerrhoid movement does almost nothing to promote actual gun safety. They don't train people how to safely use firearms. they don't train armed citizens who to defend themselves with firearms or teach cops to survive gun fights. their concept of safety is to make the lives of violent criminals safer by trying to disarm honest civilians
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So much truth to this statement! Sadly some people actually believe that the lawlessness of the few negates the lawfulness of the many!...........only when it comes to firearms. I have argued countless times why an AR15 is a patrol rifle when I buy one, but its an evil assault rifle when a civilian purchases one (same model gun from same store). This bannerrhoid movement believes that I get some sort of superior training with my AR15, than a civilian would. I would argue to the contrary. I spend a week in rifle school, and shoot maybe 500 rds during the training, at stationary targets. I have friends that shoot thousands of round at targets including using them to coyote hunt with. So not only are they shooting more, they are shooting a moving targets at longer distances. They can never answer me when I ask them, If training is the difference between an AR15 being an Assault Weapon, vs a Non-Assault Weapon than anyone who can pass a police academy's rifle school's qualification this argument can be put to rest..................crickets chirping!
 
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I had a very bad event happen in my family with a firearm (shotgun) in 1972 living in Boston. My oldest sister was the only one of us kids to fear firearms after. The rest of us never blamed the gun
 
=Absentglare;1067220118]His hobby played a role in his son's death. The firearm played a causal role in killing the son. The son died from wounds that originated from the firearm. The firearm was loaded and they were there, discharging firearms, as part of the hobby they shared.
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And if this would have happened with a bow and arrow or anything other than a firearm there would have been a little blurb on the local news. The word accident is there for a reason,hence the phrase "accidents happen".
Even in the kitchen if you accidentally slip cutting something and flay your wrist open and bleed to death it's an accident.
The fact that he doubles down on his own negligence is even more tragic, not something to celebrate.
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So you would think he's celebrating his sons death? Sounds like he owned up it was his fault and even approached the owner of the range about installing something to help avoid similar problems if not the same.
 
TurtleDude said:
you and other BM members would prefer he screams that guns are bad and need to be banned?
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I would prefer that he campaigns for gun safety and laws that make gun safety training mandatory. Owning a gun, like owning car comes with responsibilities in how you use it. Saying "accidents happen" is not an acceptable reaction to deaths caused by accidents. The root cause of accidents should be addressed and steps taken to see if they can be prevented in the future.
 
whateverdude said:
I notice leftists often just want a moral high ground to **** on others from, and will use anything. They just want a green light to be an asshole
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Self-esteem issues cause many people to seek out arguments where they can elevate themselves above others morally, spiritually, ethically, etc.

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devildavid said:
I would prefer that he campaigns for gun safety and laws that make gun safety training mandatory. Owning a gun, like owning car comes with responsibilities in how you use it. Saying "accidents happen" is not an acceptable reaction to deaths caused by accidents. The root cause of accidents should be addressed and steps taken to see if they can be prevented in the future.
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since criminals cannot legally buy or own guns how is the unconstitutional mandatory training requirements going to be imposed on them?
 
devildavid said:
I would prefer that he campaigns for gun safety and laws that make gun safety training mandatory. Owning a gun, like owning car comes with responsibilities in how you use it. Saying "accidents happen" is not an acceptable reaction to deaths caused by accidents. The root cause of accidents should be addressed and steps taken to see if they can be prevented in the future.
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Who decides what is sufficient mandatory training, and who approves the instructors on the list of qualified trainers?
 
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