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    Re: What if getting rid of the 2nd did reduce gun crime

    =OlNate;1067219184]Murica has got to be a pretty gross place to live, if you have to worry so much about being attacked on such a regular basis...lol... I have literally not worried about being attacked in my adult life, ever.
    Regular basis? All it takes is once to be attacked not on a regular basis.I don't get in car wrecks on a regular basis (20 + years)but I wear a seat belt in case.

    I mean, I do live in a place where people aren't allowed to walk around with guns, maybe it's got something to do with that...but still, ya, this thread is not a great testament to the quality of life you guys have down there, if you're so scared you need to own a gun to feel safe...sorry to hear that. *hugs*
    People aren't allowed to walk around with guns in Chicago and New York City either but they do.The wrong type too. What does scared have to do with owning a gun?Are you sure it's not scared of guns?
    Not saying your all anti gun but that kinda reflects the image of anti gun groups and media trying to spread the good word of how bad guns are.

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    Re: What if getting rid of the 2nd did reduce gun crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I was thinking about mentoring programs, job-finding programs, and the like, not their ease of accessibility to firearms.
    Some former criminals know doubt have, but I really doubt if someone mentoring them and then a job being handed to them is what did it.They had to want to change themselves and not feel it was forced on them or else.

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    Re: What if getting rid of the 2nd did reduce gun crime

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    If I was a chick, I would have a gun on me or within my reach 24/7. When we lived out on the farm, 2 miles from the nearest house and 15 minutes from the nearest cop shop, I had about a dozen guns strategically located around the house and barn. So, I guess, I see the right to have a gun as an essential equalizer--something you should have the right to have in case you need it.

    I'm not sure if various military grade weapons qualify as anything we actually need, but... I'm not interested in banning them either. However, if I had a son with mental problems, I sure as hell would not have an AR-15 in the house, like the Sandy Hook nut's mom did.
    Like the placement of guns around the place , but as far as the son with mental problems if not an AR-15 then what would you have around? As far as the AR and S.H. I still think he used handguns and it was even confirmed once. To fishy.

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    Re: What if getting rid of the 2nd did reduce gun crime

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The primary purpose of the second amendment is to protect you from GOVERNMENT.
    And that's it in a nutshell. The rest of owning firearms is like a fringe benefit. Thanks for saying that!

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    Re: What if getting rid of the 2nd did reduce gun crime

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    This is usually the logic used by people who oppose gun control. The problem with that is that accessibility to guns increases the risk of homicide and suicide.

    BTW, if you interpret that comment as an automatic endorsement of gun control, you'd be greatly oversimplifying this nuanced problem.
    I'm not applying logic, I am applying cold hard facts. That makes two times you have avoided answering the question. At this point, I will assume that because you are an honest person, you would rather dodge the question than lie.

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    Re: What if getting rid of the 2nd did reduce gun crime

    Quote Originally Posted by zsu2357 View Post
    Like the placement of guns around the place , but as far as the son with mental problems if not an AR-15 then what would you have around? As far as the AR and S.H. I still think he used handguns and it was even confirmed once. To fishy.
    It's a tough call because most people will deny that their kid is crazy enough to shoot up a school. But, she did know he had problems and believed introducing him to the hobby of shooting would help. In hindsight, this was not a good plan. But, hell, we all have 20/20 hindsight.

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    Re: What if getting rid of the 2nd did reduce gun crime

    Quote Originally Posted by SCitizen View Post
    The 19,000 people a year in USA who kill themselves with firearms mostly suffer severe mental disorders. It is a tragedy.
    So do you mean it's a tragedy if a firearm is used, but not so much if one isn't as lets say o.d.ing or hanging or slashing your wrist?

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    Re: What if getting rid of the 2nd did reduce gun crime

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    I am not really impressed with liberals so no comment on what they may think. But on the other hand the argument that liberals want to ban guns does not ring true. it seems more an argument put out by the pro gun lobby. There thinking being along the line of, let's make up the most stupidest argument a liberal could make and then insist that that is there argument, that way it will be really easy to shoot down. Banning guns is ridiculous in america as that pandora's box was opened long ago and will never be closed. The guns are already out there and you simply have to find a way of dealing with them.
    The left did try to get rid of the right to bear arms in Heller vs. DC

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    What is equally foolish is the silly argument put out by the pro gun side that it is about defending yourself from crime. Your own example here is a good example of that. begs the question of how stupid are criminals in america. Do they knock and wait politely while little old lady arms herself? Are they not clever enough to know the basics of breaking and entering is usually done when no one is home or when the occupant is asleep or even the basic action of sneak around. If a criminals intent is to cause harm they are not likely to put themselves in a position where the victim will have time to get a gun. Or is your whole argument dependent on the idea that the average american need be locked and loaded at all times to prevent such an incident.
    Well, open carry often times is defensive even if you don't have to use the gun. Just having it could deter criminals. And there have been instances where people have used guns against home invaders. Even if it's not a common, every day occurance it still happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    If there is a violent situation in an areas where there is no guns then that by definition would include the criminal not having a gun but being just as lethal with a bat or a knife. Guns are really optional. And if both parties had guns then would not the usual situation be that the criminal would be the first to point a gun at the victim? Which would make it a foolish action by the victim to see if they are faster at taking their gun out before the criminal can shoot them. Or is it a case that in america criminals wear vests with large neon words on them warning victims that they are criminals?
    Or the criminal may not have a gun. In such a scenario, concealed carry can be useful since the criminal would not know you have a gun. And as I mentioned, open carry might discourage a criminal without a gun from messing with you at all

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    I can come up with good reasons for getting rid of the second amendment that have nothing to do with gun violence. In fact i would put that particular argument as nothing more than once again the pro gun group creating really stupid arguments and saying that that is what the liberals want. Makes it easy for the pro gun group in that they do not have to strain themselves by having to deal with good arguments if they can just shout those down with their own silly arguments.
    You may not live in America but the left is stupid enough here to blame gun violence on the second amendment

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    Re: What if getting rid of the 2nd did reduce gun crime

    Quote Originally Posted by whateverdude View Post
    The left did try to get rid of the right to bear arms in Heller vs. DC
    As i said, they do not impress me. Still that's not an excuse to use a silly argument no matter who it comes from.

    Well, open carry often times is defensive even if you don't have to use the gun. Just having it could deter criminals. And there have been instances where people have used guns against home invaders. Even if it's not a common, every day occurance it still happens.
    Admittedly, crime happens. And as america has proven time and time again having guns does nothing to prevent it. If it is the deterrent it is claimed to be then why does crime still happen?

    Or the criminal may not have a gun. In such a scenario, concealed carry can be useful since the criminal would not know you have a gun. And as I mentioned, open carry might discourage a criminal without a gun from messing with you at all
    It really cannot be that difficult to think up situations where that would not work. You must have incredibly stupid criminals that they always announce their intention and give the victim time to defend themselves.
    Allso we get back to the argument of how frequently do these things occur. If that often then your society as a whole has bigger problems than worrying about guns.

    You may not live in America but the left is stupid enough here to blame gun violence on the second amendment
    Regardless of who we blame for bringing up a stupid argument it does not become an excuse to stop there and waste everyones time with it. There are better reasons to rid yourselves of the second, ie. It was created for a different time and place and for different reasons than the one you use, being crime prevention.

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    Re: What if getting rid of the 2nd did reduce gun crime

    Quote Originally Posted by SCitizen View Post
    Guns are used in 11,000 murders and 19,000 suicides a year in USA alone.

    How can anyone deny that human life has paramount value?
    How much value?
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    No one cares about your stupid hippy logic
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