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Washington Post Falls for ISIS Propaganda on Guns

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The liberal media steps in it again! The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) just pointed out that the Washington Post, a consistently left-leaning newspaper, repeated claims made by ISIS propaganda. The propaganda focused on the ease of procuring firearms in the United States and gets many things wrong, but WaPo didn’t seem to check their facts.
Washington Post Falls for ISIS Propaganda on Guns | The Defender Blog
 
Mario said:
The liberal media steps in it again! The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) just pointed out that the Washington Post, a consistently left-leaning newspaper, repeated claims made by ISIS propaganda. The propaganda focused on the ease of procuring firearms in the United States and gets many things wrong, but WaPo didn’t seem to check their facts.
Washington Post Falls for ISIS Propaganda on Guns | The Defender Blog
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Yeah, I guess "The Defender" never heard of the American Black Market. Where did the San Bernadino terrorists get their assault rifles again? Oooh yeeeeaaaah; legally purchased".
 
jet57 said:
Yeah, I guess "The Defender" never heard of the American Black Market. Where did the San Bernadino terrorists get their assault rifles again? Oooh yeeeeaaaah; legally purchased".
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Straw purchased, so illegal actually.
 
jet57 said:
Yeah, I guess "The Defender" never heard of the American Black Market. Where did the San Bernadino terrorists get their assault rifles again? Oooh yeeeeaaaah; legally purchased".
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Thats incorrect! The San Bernadino shooters had a friend purchase the firearms which is a "straw sale" in any state! The AR15's were then illegally modified to accept 30rd magazines, removing California's bullet button requirement! One of the rifle were also converted to fire full auto which is illegal in all 50 states!
 
jet57 said:
Yeah, I guess "The Defender" never heard of the American Black Market. Where did the San Bernadino terrorists get their assault rifles again? Oooh yeeeeaaaah; legally purchased".
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Thats incorrect! The San Bernadino shooters had a friend purchase the firearms which is a "straw sale" in any state! The AR15's were then illegally modified to accept 30rd magazines, removing California's bullet button requirement! One of the rifle were also converted to fire full auto which is illegal in all 50 states!
 
jet57 said:
Yeah, I guess "The Defender" never heard of the American Black Market. Where did the San Bernadino terrorists get their assault rifles again? Oooh yeeeeaaaah; legally purchased".
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I'd say, you've been corrected. :2razz:
 
Mario said:
I'd say, you've been corrected. :2razz:
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won't do any good. crime control is not his motivation. He's mad he cannot own an AR-15 so he doesn't want anyone else to own one either
 
Liberals have often worked with terrorists to make their points for them. WaPo working with ISIS is not surprising at all.
 
TurtleDude said:
won't do any good. crime control is not his motivation. He's mad he cannot own an AR-15 so he doesn't want anyone else to own one either
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I hear that the US military is thinking about dropping the M16 in favor of something larger. When I buy a rifle, do you think I should what and see what the military are changing to?
 
Mario said:
I hear that the US military is thinking about dropping the M16 in favor of something larger. When I buy a rifle, do you think I should what and see what the military are changing to?
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get an AR 15 since the parts and the ammo is in good supply. Then if the military goes to another weapon, get the closest civilian version. If Trump and his justices do their duty, we should be able to buy, freely, the same rifles our tax dollars supply the military with. I don't know how one can read MILLER v USA any other way
 
JLee1977 said:
Thats incorrect! The San Bernadino shooters had a friend purchase the firearms which is a "straw sale" in any state! The AR15's were then illegally modified to accept 30rd magazines, removing California's bullet button requirement! One of the rifle were also converted to fire full auto which is illegal in all 50 states!
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I guess you didn't get the point:

legally purchased
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jet57 said:
Wrong. The rifles were

That was the point.
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A straw purchase is not a legal purchase. Pretty simple. The asshat has been charged and will hopefully see jail time. If it were a legal purchase, why was he charged with making a straw purchase? He lied when purchasing the firearms which makes it an illegal purchase. Sheesh...:roll: Once again, you show yourself unwilling or too proud to accept rebuttal or correction. Not an admirable trait.
 
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BretJ said:
A straw purchase is not a legal purchase. Pretty simple. The asshat has been charged and will hopefully see jail time. If it were a legal purchase, why was he charged with making a straw purchase? He lied when purchasing the firearms which makes it an illegal purchase. Sheesh...:roll: Once again, you show yourself unwilling or too proud to accept rebuttal or correction. Not an admirable trait.
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Spot on.
 
Rucker61 said:
Straw purchased, so illegal actually.
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JLee1977 said:
Thats incorrect! The San Bernadino shooters had a friend purchase the firearms which is a "straw sale" in any state! The AR15's were then illegally modified to accept 30rd magazines, removing California's bullet button requirement! One of the rifle were also converted to fire full auto which is illegal in all 50 states!
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Did the person that buy them buy them legally... yes. He then handed them over to another... that is the illegal aspect, not the purchase. He legally purchased the guns.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Did the person that buy them buy them legally... yes. He then handed them over to another... that is the illegal aspect, not the purchase. He legally purchased the guns.
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The second he answered "yes" to " are you the buyer for these guns" and signed the Form 4473, knowing he was going to sell them to the shooter, a criminal act occurred.
 
Rucker61 said:
It was a straw purchase from the beginning, hence illegal.
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Wrong. Since the seller does not know the intent of the buyer... for all common sense and logical purposes the purchase of the guns was legal. The buyer could have intended to buy them for another to use legally... for another to use illegal... or to buy them for another but then turn around and not do so. In any case... the purchase was legal. This "straw purchase" is a technical loophole that gun owners use to say... "hey, it was a straw purchase so gee... that doesn't count"
 
Rucker61 said:
The second he answered "yes" to " are you the buyer for these guns" and signed the Form 4473, knowing he was going to sell them to the shooter, a criminal act occurred.
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He was the "buyer for these guns"...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Did the person that buy them buy them legally... yes. He then handed them over to another... that is the illegal aspect, not the purchase. He legally purchased the guns.
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Not exactly. You can not buy a gun for someone else. So if the terrorist asked their douche friend to buy the guns for them, then the original sale would he illegal. It's my understanding that's what happened.

If douche friend had bought the AR for himself the didn't like it so sold it it would be legal, not what went down in this case as I understand it.

it's all about the why of the original purchase
 
Chillfolks said:
Not exactly. You can not buy a gun for someone else. So if the terrorist asked their douche friend to buy the guns for them, then the original sale would he illegal. It's my understanding that's what happened.

If douche friend had bought the AR for himself the didn't like it so sold it it would be legal, not what went down in this case as I understand it.

it's all about the why of the original purchase
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I understand the technicality... the point is that it is a loophole for gun zealots to turn around and say, hey, gun sales are perfectly safe, oh, except when they are purchased for this or that reason. A car bought for another that is the used to run people intentionally over is not called a straw sale.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I understand the technicality... the point is that it is a loophole for gun zealots to turn around and say, hey, gun sales are perfectly safe, oh, except when they are purchased for this or that reason. A car bought for another that is the used to run people intentionally over is not called a straw sale.
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The car analogy is terrible, but personally would love to argue the points of that some day.

Do you have a solution to close the loophole without infringing on someone's rights?
 
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