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Proposed shooting range with bar faces opposition from local residents

Threegoofs said:
suicides aren't deaths?
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gee, that might be the stupid question of the week award winner

they are not ones that have any relevance to crime control
 
TurtleDude said:
gee, that might be the stupid question of the week award winner

they are not ones that have any relevance to crime control
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Why are you bringing up a topic that wasnt even mentioned?

Not that that's necessarily a sign of abject stupidity, but it may be a sign of dishonesty because of lack of argument.
 
Threegoofs said:
Why are you bringing up a topic that wasnt even mentioned?

Not that that's necessarily a sign of abject stupidity, but it may be a sign of dishonesty because of lack of argument.
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the fact is, this thread is about a bar and a gun range. Not about your attempts to display your hatred of gun owners because you perceive them not being supportive of politicians who buy into your global warming solutions
 
TurtleDude said:
the fact is, this thread is about a bar and a gun range. Not about your attempts to display your hatred of gun owners because you perceive them not being supportive of politicians who buy into your global warming solutions
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Thanks for acknowledging this has nothing to do with criminality.

It's a badly written apology, but one nonetheless.
 
Threegoofs said:
Thanks for acknowledging this has nothing to do with criminality.

It's a badly written apology, but one nonetheless.
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do you have a position on the thread topic?
 
TurtleDude said:
do you have a position on the thread topic?
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Already gave it. Stupid idea. It's also not far from where I live.

But its pretty minor in the entire scheme of things. In the time we've been exchanging messages, six people have been killed by firearms.
 
Threegoofs said:
Already gave it. Stupid idea. It's also not far from where I live.

But its pretty minor in the entire scheme of things. In the time we've been exchanging messages, six people have been killed by firearms.
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and if that was not due to someone drinking at a gun range, WTF does it have to do with the topic?

if we play percentages-those six-four were suicides and the other two were felons killed by other felons. nothing to get worked up about
 
Lutherf said:
Proposed shooting range with bar faces opposition from local residents | Fox News



While I'm decidedly pro-gun, pro-business and pro-alcohol this may well not be a great idea.

I know there might be a bottle or two in the campground at some cowboy events or other organized, multi-day shoots but those are short term associations. Putting a bar at the range makes it kind of a hang out and affords just a bit too much comfort between the booze and the guns. The most dangerous part of gun handling is getting too comfortable and doing something stupid. This setup might might not cause any stupid but it sure would create a breeding ground for it. I don't think you'd find me being a member there.
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You cant judge a man's accuracy unless you see him shoot while he's drunk. :cool:
 
zsu2357 said:
It's really to bad that we don't have a national news channel that highlights all the good that firearms do.They would be busy 24/7 or close to it.
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It is never to late to start..... The sad part is that there are 150 million or so firearm owners with a vested interest sitting on their bums when they could be doing a nation wide coverage and rebuttal at a fraction of the cost. It would probably take less than 1000 coordinated people to do that. The problem is finding 1000 firearm owners that value their rights enough that they will devote maybe an hour a day to securing those rights.

Nobody does anything unless they can derive a benefit. The number of firearm owners who see any benefit to countering gun control propaganda is very close to zero. Nor are their rights of any value to them
 
zsu2357 said:
It's really to bad that we don't have a national news channel that highlights all the good that firearms do.They would be busy 24/7 or close to it.
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<br><br>It is never to late to start.....  The sad part is that there are 150 million or so firearm owners with a vested interest sitting on their bums when they could be doing a nation wide coverage and  rebuttal at a fraction of the cost.  It would probably take less than 1000 coordinated people to do that.  The problem is finding 1000 firearm owners that value their rights enough that they will devote maybe an hour a day to securing those rights.<br><br>Nobody does anything unless they can derive a benefit.  The number of firearm owners who see any benefit to countering gun control propaganda is very close to zero.  Nor are their rights of any value to them<br>
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zsu2357 said:
It's really to bad that we don't have a national news channel that highlights all the good that firearms do.They would be busy 24/7 or close to it.
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<br><br>It is never to late to start.....  The sad part is that there are 150 million or so firearm owners with a vested interest sitting on their bums when they could be doing a nation wide coverage and  rebuttal at a fraction of the cost.  It would probably take less than 1000 coordinated people to do that.  The problem is finding 1000 firearm owners that value their rights enough that they will devote maybe an hour a day to securing those rights.<br><br>Nobody does anything unless they can derive a benefit.  The number of firearm owners who see any benefit to countering gun control propaganda is very close to zero.  Nor are their rights of any value to them
 
Threegoofs said:
It's really too bad we don't have a national news channel that discusses each and every firearm related death in the country.

According to my back of the envelope calculations, it would be able to go through one death every fifteen minutes, 24/7.

Lots of material!
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Yeah lots of gang on gang and people caught between.Putting Gun Death Statistics in Perspective Somewhat dated but I've noticed a lot of the anti's don't link anything. a lot but not all.
 
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Threegoofs said:
It's really too bad we don't have a national news channel that discusses each and every firearm related death in the country.

According to my back of the envelope calculations, it would be able to go through one death every fifteen minutes, 24/7.

Lots of material!
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Either your response is due to an obsession with an unnatural reaction to firearms or it is propagandistic. It is common cause that firearm deaths are pretty low on the total death rate so it is not that you have some concern for peoples lives.

Would you mind explaining why you posted that comment so we know in future the value of your comments.

Heart disease: 614,348
Cancer: 591,699
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 147,101
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 136,053
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 133,103
Alzheimer's disease: 93,541
Diabetes: 76,488
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,227
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 48,146
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 42,773

Unintentional fall deaths Number of deaths: 31,959
Motor vehicle traffic deaths Number of deaths: 33,736
Unintentional poisoning deaths Number of deaths: 42,032

All drug overdose deaths 212,208

Just to put some perspective on your bias.
 
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