"Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle." [W:592]

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TurtleDude said:

an assault weapon is a term that is a lie itself. Assault-within the meaning of the military term-requires select fire option. Bannerrhoids want sheeple to think of "criminal assault"

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Assault weapons is a federally accepted and associated press accepted term. See the Assault weapons ban of 1994. Considering this is a newspaper, the associated press has jurisdiction over whether this term is used correctly or not.

"The Associated Press Stylebook says that the media should differentiate between an "assault rifle," which has a fully automatic mode, and an "assault weapon," which is semiautomatic and "not synonymous with assault rifle.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-them-assault-weapons/?utm_term=.f8a594f10f89

Whether you like the term or not does not make the use of the word not correct if the federal government uses it in writing legislation and the associated press uses it in their defined neutral dialogue.

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jet57 said:

That in no way refutes the fact that the AR15 was specifically designed as a military combat weapon.

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As were Colt Army and Navy revolvers, the bolt action rifle, the M1911A1 pistol and the first metal knife.

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TaterTots said:

Looks like the Washington Post is at it again! The story they recently posted is very misleading and causing anti gun nuts to go mad. For one, they are still spreading the false narrative that the AR-15 is an "assault rifle." You gotta love that those two words have been demonized and strike fear into the hearts of uneducated souls. Secondly, their story makes it seem like the raffle is being held at the school and the student will receive the rifle. When in fact, its an outside raffle that will donate the proceeds to the school for party purposes lol. Story is below.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/04/21/ar-15-assault-rifle-being-raffled-to-raise-money-for-texas-high-school-graduation-party/?utm_term=.f6e810c65226

"Put this in the you-can’t-make-up-this-stuff category: One of the prizes at a fundraising raffle in the New Caney school district in Texas is an AR-15 assault rifle."

Look at the play of words. FAKE.

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Leave it to liberals to generate fake news and spread hysteria. If it's not guns, it's the environment, if not that, it must be Christians and so on and so forth.

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TaterTots said:

If we're being honest, I've seen some crappy articles from WaPo in the past, but this article alone will never make me visit their site again. It's painfully obvious they are bending the truth for their agenda.

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And they need to know that we know they are frauds!

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vash1012 said:

Everyone knows WAPO is a liberal slanted paper, but you have to distinguish between news reports and opinion article. What you linked is a Blog post that appears on their website. If you read the opinion pages of any newspaper, you are going to find some very slanted coverage.

By the way, the title of the article is now:

"AR-15 assault rifle being raffled to raise money for Texas high school graduation party"

which is pretty accurate except for calling it an assault rifle instead of an assault weapon.

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Or, just a rifle.

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TurtleDude said:

an assault weapon is a term that is a lie itself. Assault-within the meaning of the military term-requires select fire option. Bannerrhoids want sheeple to think of "criminal assault"

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They sure do. False narratives and fake stories seemed to have spawned from the Left.

jet57 said:

as·sault ri·fle

noun

a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.



https://www.bustle.com/articles/167...5-rifle-only-invented-the-gun-for-one-purpose




Family of AR-15 Inventor Eugene Stoner: He Didn'''t Intend It for Civilians - NBC News

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In talking with my neighbor, long before the AR-15, there existed civilian versions of the M1 Garrand, the M1 carbine and the M14, as well as the AK-47. I had to take notes to get that all correct. Seems to me, if SHTF, a person would want all the firepower he or she could get their hands on. 100s of gang bangers looting a city, wouldn't be phased by citizens using a revolver or bolt action rifle.

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jet57 said:

I just report the facts.

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When and where a link please. It will be a first.

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TaterTots said:

I'm amazed that people who want strict gun control or possible bans have been misinformed.

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Yeah, right. Face it. The various gun bans that have gone back and forth through the legislative history, the web and flow of the controversy, there's no telling just how much bull**** has been piled up, by either side.

The second amendment is fundamental to the question and both sides continue to claim, over claim really, what it does and does not say, and what limits it may or may not have.

If Clinton was elected you can bet your bottom dollar that there's be some sort of gun ban / magazine ban legislation in the works by now.

Not willing to take that chance I purchased mine well before the election, several large capacity magazines as well as the serialized part(s) of rifle itself. The rest is just spare / replacement parts.

Man, it is fun to shoot it at the range, and gain proficiency with it, and since I assembled it myself, I learned enough to clean and properly maintain it.

Those who want to ban me, and the fun I have with it, well they can just go pound sand, as far as I'm concerned. From my view, I'm exercising my constitutional rights.

Hopefully those can't just be confiscated or banned just on some group of people's whim.

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jet57 said:

I just report the facts.

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Well report them here they are. I have made some references to the parts you are so abjectly ignorant of.



The ArmaLite AR-15 is a selective-fire, 5.56×45mm, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed rifle, with a rotating bolt and straight-line recoil design. It was designed above all else to be a lightweight small arms, and to fire a new lightweight, high velocity small caliber cartridge to allow the infantrymen to carry more ammunition.[4] It was based on the Armalite AR-10 rifle. After modifications (most notably, the charging handle was re-located from under the carrying handle like AR-10 to the rear of the receiver),[5] the new redesigned rifle was subsequently adopted by the United States military as the M16 Rifle, which went into production in March 1964.[4][6] The Armalite AR-15 is the parent of a variety of AR-15 variants.


Have you got it now?

Just in case

The AR-10 is a 7.62×51mm NATO battle rifle developed by Eugene Stoner in the late 1950s at ArmaLite, then a division of the Fairchild Aircraft Corporation. When first introduced in 1956, the AR-10 used an innovative straight-line barrel/stock design with phenolic composite and forged alloy parts resulting in a small arm significantly easier to control in automatic fire and over 1 lb (0.45 kg) lighter than other infantry rifles of the day.[1] Over its production life, the original AR-10 was built in relatively small numbers, with fewer than 9,900 rifles assembled.

In 1957, the basic AR-10 design was rescaled and substantially modified by ArmaLite to accommodate the .223 Remington cartridge, and given the designation AR-15.[2] ArmaLite licensed the AR-10 and AR-15 designs to Colt Firearms.[3] The AR-15 eventually became the M16 rifle.

You still seem to be in ignorance, Try harder.

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Mario said:

Leave it to liberals to generate fake news and spread hysteria. If it's not guns, it's the environment, if not that, it must be Christians and so on and so forth.

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Indeed. Ginning up baseless and fact less FauxRage against any and all things against their ideology and agenda. :roll:
The problem isn't that, the problem is that so many are so ill informed that they believe them.

Imagine that. An AR15 designed mechanism with a wooden stock with a wooden fore grip is just so much better than AR15 designed mechanism with a black plastic stock and a black plastic fore grip. :roll: It is just ridiculous and stupid.

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ttwtt78640 said:

Nope, you just distort the facts. The AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle - simply dropping the "semi-" does not make it fire differently.

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(chuckle)

DUDE - I didn't distort anything. I've said all along that the AR-15 was designed as a military combat weapon, and not for civilian use, and now you've got the same message right from the horse's mouth with a picture to prove it and the article explaining to you to go along. What's up is that you and the gun guys - once again - don't like being proven wrong on the issue of guns, and in particular the issue of weapons of war being sold in the open US market and being used to commit acts of terrorism and mass murder. Your defense of such weaponry is immature and bastardizes the second amendment of our Constitution as well as flies in the face of known supreme court decision.

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Rucker61 said:

As were Colt Army and Navy revolvers, the bolt action rifle, the M1911A1 pistol and the first metal knife.

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We're not talking about those are we. We're talking about how I've been right all along about the AR-15. So kiddie -like diversions and moving the goal posts - yet again won't work here. You're going to have admit what is plain and simply fact.

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jet57 said:

That in no way refutes the fact that the AR15 was specifically designed as a military combat weapon.

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Almost every firearm in use was designed as a miliary weapon or derived it's designs from a military weapon. Heck even muskets of the founding fathers day, and even air rifles were designed as military weapons. The original revolver was designed as a military weapon, that ended up seeing more use civilian side due to the militaries reluctance to adopt it, after all arming a few hundred thousand men with revolvers and cartridge rifles at that time was cost prohibitive, while smoothbore and rifled muskets were abundant.


There were also rolling block rifles, lever action rifles,bolt action rifles, modern gas and recoil operated pistols etc, all intended for military use, all of them at their creation were designed as military weapons, because the military had the money to buy them until production ramped up and costs dropped, meaning the civilian use was an afterthought since the military market had the big bucks while the civilian market would often ignore the latest and greatest and use yesteryears guns, since they were bought and paid for.
Probably the only firearm not designed specifically for military use first was shotgun, as it was designed primarily for hunting birds and small game.

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

eohrnberger said:

Yeah, right. Face it. The various gun bans that have gone back and forth through the legislative history, the web and flow of the controversy, there's no telling just how much bull**** has been piled up, by either side.

The second amendment is fundamental to the question and both sides continue to claim, over claim really, what it does and does not say, and what limits it may or may not have.

If Clinton was elected you can bet your bottom dollar that there's be some sort of gun ban / magazine ban legislation in the works by now.

Not willing to take that chance I purchased mine well before the election, several large capacity magazines as well as the serialized part(s) of rifle itself. The rest is just spare / replacement parts.

Man, it is fun to shoot it at the range, and gain proficiency with it, and since I assembled it myself, I learned enough to clean and properly maintain it.

Those who want to ban me, and the fun I have with it, well they can just go pound sand, as far as I'm concerned. From my view, I'm exercising my constitutional rights.

Hopefully those can't just be confiscated or banned just on some group of people's whim.

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Actually they can and have in every single ban using the exact same strategy gun control has always used. When enough citizens agree with government and are willing to keep that government in power you will have your ban. It will stick the same as all previous gun control laws because firearm owners simply could not be bothered to think, object or prevent gun control propaganda giving a political party that majority. Note it matters not to gun control which party it is.

All that is needed is for firearm owners to sit on their bums as they usually do because their organisations are to stupid and incompetent to lead or advise them.

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Mario said:

They sure do. False narratives and fake stories seemed to have spawned from the Left.



In talking with my neighbor, long before the AR-15, there existed civilian versions of the M1 Garrand, the M1 carbine and the M14, as well as the AK-47. I had to take notes to get that all correct. Seems to me, if SHTF, a person would want all the firepower he or she could get their hands on. 100s of gang bangers looting a city, wouldn't be phased by citizens using a revolver or bolt action rifle.

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We're not talking about those are we. People saving up to fight Big Gummit comin to take dey guns away are fools and live wearing tin hats. The false narrative belongs you gun guys who carry out the bidding of the NRA.

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jet57 said:

(chuckle)

DUDE - I didn't distort anything. I've said all along that the AR-15 was designed as a military combat weapon, and not for civilian use, and now you've got the same message right from the horse's mouth with a picture to prove it and the article explaining to you to go along. What's up is that you and the gun guys - once again - don't like being proven wrong on the issue of guns, and in particular the issue of weapons of war being sold in the open US market and being used to commit acts of terrorism and mass murder. Your defense of such weaponry is immature and bastardizes the second amendment of our Constitution as well as flies in the face of known supreme court decision.

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Saying that your post also had other content does not negate the misstatement of fact that I brought to your attention.

What Supreme Court decision said that an AR-15 is a "weapon of war" and is thus not protected under the 2A and why are they available for legal sale today?

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beerftw said:

Almost every firearm in use was designed as a miliary weapon or derived it's designs from a military weapon. Heck even muskets of the founding fathers day, and even air rifles were designed as military weapons. The original revolver was designed as a military weapon, that ended up seeing more use civilian side due to the militaries reluctance to adopt it, after all arming a few hundred thousand men with revolvers and cartridge rifles at that time was cost prohibitive, while smoothbore and rifled muskets were abundant.


There were also rolling block rifles, lever action rifles,bolt action rifles, modern gas and recoil operated pistols etc, all intended for military use, all of them at their creation were designed as military weapons, because the military had the money to buy them until production ramped up and costs dropped, meaning the civilian use was an afterthought since the military market had the big bucks while the civilian market would often ignore the latest and greatest and use yesteryears guns, since they were bought and paid for.
Probably the only firearm not designed specifically for military use first was shotgun, as it was designed primarily for hunting birds and small game.

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Right, you can start with the cannon itself; at first it only fired rocks, but things changed did they. The AR-15 was specifically designed as a military combat weapon with the capability of mowing people down with high velocity ammunition and high capacity magazines:

Doctors: High-velocity Orlando rifle inflicts 'devastating' wounds

So go insult the intelligence of other people.

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

beerftw said:

Almost every firearm in use was designed as a miliary weapon or derived it's designs from a military weapon. Heck even muskets of the founding fathers day, and even air rifles were designed as military weapons. The original revolver was designed as a military weapon, that ended up seeing more use civilian side due to the militaries reluctance to adopt it, after all arming a few hundred thousand men with revolvers and cartridge rifles at that time was cost prohibitive, while smoothbore and rifled muskets were abundant.


There were also rolling block rifles, lever action rifles,bolt action rifles, modern gas and recoil operated pistols etc, all intended for military use, all of them at their creation were designed as military weapons, because the military had the money to buy them until production ramped up and costs dropped, meaning the civilian use was an afterthought since the military market had the big bucks while the civilian market would often ignore the latest and greatest and use yesteryears guns, since they were bought and paid for.
Probably the only firearm not designed specifically for military use first was shotgun, as it was designed primarily for hunting birds and small game.

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And double rifles :lol: are exclusively hunting


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ttwtt78640 said:

Saying that your post also had other content does not negate the misstatement of fact that I brought to your attention.

What Supreme Court decision said that an AR-15 is a "weapon of war" and is thus not protected under the 2A and why are they available for legal sale today?

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What Supreme Court decision said that the second amendment was not unlimited?

Go there and read that first.

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jet57 said:

(chuckle)

DUDE - I didn't distort anything. I've said all along that the AR-15 was designed as a military combat weapon, and not for civilian use, and now you've got the same message right from the horse's mouth with a picture to prove it and the article explaining to you to go along. What's up is that you and the gun guys - once again - don't like being proven wrong on the issue of guns, and in particular the issue of weapons of war being sold in the open US market and being used to commit acts of terrorism and mass murder. Your defense of such weaponry is immature and bastardizes the second amendment of our Constitution as well as flies in the face of known supreme court decision.

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Because all you know came out of gun controls cesspool of lies and this crap is no different as you have been shown repeatedly now. I know you are deliberately trolling from this point on as you have not addressed what blew you out the water.

Buzz off troll.

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What Supreme Court decision said that the second amendment was not unlimited?

Go there and read that first.

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Stating that the 2A is not unlimited is not the same as asserting that the 2A has your stated (desired?) limits. Even you are bright enough to appreciate the difference despite your allegations to the contrary. Your spewing of obvious misstatements of "fact" and then offering some unrelated BS as your rationale (excuse?) is getting very old. If you refuse to answer my specific questions then simply do not respond to my posts.

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jet57 said:

Right, you can start with the cannon itself; at first it only fired rocks, but things changed did they. The AR-15 was specifically designed as a military combat weapon with the capability of mowing people down with high velocity ammunition and high capacity magazines:

Doctors: High-velocity Orlando rifle inflicts 'devastating' wounds

So go insult the intelligence of other people.

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One no cannons were not designed to fire rocks, the early cannons were bronze and fired either bronze, forged iron, or polished stone and not rocks. Medieval handguns and cannons were never intended to fire rocks, and especially cannons, because until cast iron was perfected, cannons were extremely expensive and difficult to make, hence no army would put anything that would damage them in there.

On the ar no it was not designed to mow people down, it was designed as a light infantry rifle initially with full auto capability, however that full auto was removed later with the m-16 a2 and the ar never had full auto as far as I can tell for civilian models outside of testing.

The full auto is not able to mow people down anyways, unless the enemy is retarded enough to charge a choke point manned by a machine gun. Full auto is only more effective than semi for suppressive fire, which is to keep their heads down and suppress their movement so your side can progress and take the enemy position.

Further it was also designed to be medium accuracy, medium range, medium power, and basically a jack of all trades, master of none, it was made so arming infantry with a single rifle could be done rather than multiple guns with more specialized tasks. Even further the ar is not sold to civilians in full auto or burst, and it's firing capacity is the same as all other semi auto rifles or handguns.

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Crimefree said:

Actually they can and have in every single ban using the exact same strategy gun control has always used. When enough citizens agree with government and are willing to keep that government in power you will have your ban. It will stick the same as all previous gun control laws because firearm owners simply could not be bothered to think, object or prevent gun control propaganda giving a political party that majority. Note it matters not to gun control which party it is.

All that is needed is for firearm owners to sit on their bums as they usually do because their organisations are to stupid and incompetent to lead or advise them.

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I've got mine.
It may be one thing to ban the sale of certain rifles because they are black and scary (and no different than one that isn't based on the same design).
It would be quite another to go house to house and confiscate them.
I've got mine, and high probability that ownership will be grandfathered.

The entire premise of banning certain guns just because of their looks is a flawed and false premise, but so many have been bamboozled with false information the flawed and false premise lives on, and on. Another flawed and false premise is that criminals bother to observe gun bans and that gun bans have any effect on curbing gun crimes and related violence.

If the banning really gets bad, there are always 3D metal printers that can create any shape you want that you can design on a computer. There are probably AR15 design specs and drawings that could be re-rendered in this software.

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eohrnberger said:

I've got mine.
It may be one thing to ban the sale of certain rifles because they are black and scary (and no different than one that isn't based on the same design).
It would be quite another to go house to house and confiscate them.
I've got mine, and high probability that ownership will be grandfathered.

The entire premise of banning certain guns just because of their looks is a flawed and false premise, but so many have been bamboozled with false information the flawed and false premise lives on, and on. Another flawed and false premise is that criminals bother to observe gun bans and that gun bans have any effect on curbing gun crimes and related violence.

If the banning really gets bad, there are always 3D metal printers that can create any shape you want that you can design on a computer. There are probably AR15 design specs and drawings that could be re-rendered in this software.

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Which current country has a grandfather clause? Do you honestly think gun control will be reasonable and does not want all guns. BTW you have just given the reason this fight will be lost. Everyone thinks it will never happen to them. Best partners gun control ever had.

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Crimefree said:

Which current country has a grandfather clause? Do you honestly think gun control will be reasonable and does not want all guns. BTW you have just given the reason this fight will be lost. Everyone thinks it will never happen to them. Best partners gun control ever had.

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The banneroids have been stymied thus far.

Present composition of congress presents less chances that more bans are going to gain the needed traction to get anywhere.

Should that change, then there will likely be renewed effort to continue to stymie those potential future bans.