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"Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle." [W:592]

Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

The "Brown Bess" was a British idiom...

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The brown bess was the standard rifle of the british empire and the american revolutionaries. It was so commonly used for warfare it saw action during the civil war, despite being horribly dated by then.

So yeah you are still wrong, the brown bess was a military designed weapon, used by the founding fathers who wrote the second amendment.
 
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Your addiction is real obvious.

I'm gonna eat dinner, have a little wine and a cigar.

I'll get back to you later.

Again, you're out of your element. Is it a bee in your bonnet or a bug up your a22 that leads you to a completely ineffectual and neurotic position that the AR15 should be banned, knowing that such a ban would not make the slightest difference in the world?
 
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The point about California is that we have reasonable gun laws. I range I used to go to in south bay had a regular visitor who fired his home made .50 cal semi on a tripod. Very loud. Others are just jealous that I live in California.


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Stockholm syndrome at its worst
 
Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

Again, you're out of your element. Is it a bee in your bonnet or a bug up your a22 that leads you to a completely ineffectual and neurotic position that the AR15 should be banned, knowing that such a ban would not make the slightest difference in the world?

Jet is afraid to respond to my posts given the past destruction I have heaped upon the nonsense he posts. But ask him why his MI Carbine should not be banned by the same turds who have banned the AR 15. Since I own a bunch of both rifles, I can tell you there is no legally valid or logical way to ban one without banning the other and since Jet is so hateful towards "designed for the military" its amazing he is unable to understand that the MI carbine was a pure military design created for the military based on a military request. The AR 15 was not
 
Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

an assault weapon is a term that is a lie itself. Assault-within the meaning of the military term-requires select fire option. Bannerrhoids want sheeple to think of "criminal assault"

They know it is not an assault rifle. But that is irrelevant. If you yell a lie long enough and loud enough it becomes a fact in their followers eyes.
 
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people who actually care about the truth should reject biased and deceitful terms.

telescopic sight demonstrates that you don't even understand the term you defend[/I]

You missed the part of my post where I showed it was an industry used term all throughout the 80's.

Forgive me though, I meant to say telescoping STOCK.

I see nothing wrong with having a term that distinguishes weapons with large capacity magazines and threaded barrels that can have flash suppressors and silencers from bolt action rifle or pump action shot gun. If you want to call them something else, please feel free, but the term accepted in legal and journalistic writing is assault weapons.

Last time I checked neither was an accepted source of the English language. How come you don't know that or care enough to apply common sense? If I want to know what a word means I pick up a dictionary, not the local newspaper. No wonder people are becoming dumber than ever before.
 
Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

The brown bess was the standard rifle of the british empire and the american revolutionaries. It was so commonly used for warfare it saw action during the civil war, despite being horribly dated by then.

So yeah you are still wrong, the brown bess was a military designed weapon, used by the founding fathers who wrote the second amendment.

Brown Bess was British idiom.
 
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They know it is not an assault rifle. But that is irrelevant. If you yell a lie long enough and loud enough it becomes a fact in their followers eyes.

The idea is to confuse people by telling them the truth. That way the lies never take hold.
 
Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

Brown Bess was British idiom.

Still posting unevidenced false assertions I see. Do you never learn?

The truth shall set you free

Brown Bess is a nickname of uncertain origin for the British Army's muzzle-loading smoothbore Land Pattern Musket and its derivatives. This musket was used in the era of the expansion of the British Empire and acquired symbolic importance at least as significant as its physical importance. It was in use for over a hundred years with many incremental changes in its design. These versions include the Long Land Pattern, the Short Land Pattern, the India Pattern, the New Land Pattern Musket and the Sea Service Musket.

Most male citizens of the American Colonies were required by law to own arms and ammunition for militia duty.[1] The Long Land Pattern was a common firearm in use by both sides in the American War of Independence.[2]

Early uses of the term include the newspaper, the Connecticut Courant in April 1771, which said "... but if you are afraid of the sea, take Brown Bess on your shoulder and march." This familiar use indicates widespread use of the term by that time. The 1785 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, a contemporary work that defined vernacular and slang terms, contained this entry: "Brown Bess: A soldier's firelock. To hug Brown Bess; to carry a fire-lock, or serve as a private soldier." Military and government records of the time do not use this poetical name but refer to firelocks, flintlock, muskets or by the weapon's model designations.
 
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his posts are best understood by a thorough reading up on the stockholm syndrome and Aesop's fable about the fox that lost its tail

More like his posts are best understood only if you believe the delusional magic power he believes guns have. Stockholm syndrome is the result of living with him or suffering the endless spewing of delusional fear of gun magic.
 
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They've ALL challenged the claim I made that the AR15 was was specifically designed for war: that's been the sticking point and why I'm riding the proof against their opinions so hard right now.

I posted from a site that was saying something truthful about the cannon. I knew I was right about it when I said it, where I read I can't remember, but lo and behold, there it was in print again, so posted it. It's a fact man let it go.

As for the constitutionality of gun control: I have shown man times in this gun forum that gun control and American history just go hand in hand, and in the colonial days as well, when the second amendment was muuuch closer to the founders and their descendants. If you don't believe me, look into in it: research it yourself and see what you find. As for "technically, once again - Antone Scalia didn't think so, and he said so in Heller. So gun control is perfect legal as a protection of society at large, and is not a clandestine double secret conspiracy to take your guns away.

What you forgot to mention is your claims are in shreds wherever you have posted and this is just outright dishonesty.

It is asinine to claim the founders believed in gun control but wrote the 2A just to make things interesting with words like shall not be infringed. The meaning of that is clear in any language you like. Those words are the only words that count and nothing you say has any merit unless you can show those words have a different meaning.

So somebody who seeks to subvert the constitution is what in your world?
 
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I will agree with you. I ma concentrating on the criminal element as others here do as well, because that is the seat of the problem. I often use the example that dynamite is not sold in stores to just anybody for the obvious reason of public safety. Likewise with many things that other uses. The connection with guns IS the criminal element which likewise is not allowed in the dynamite example. The problem with weapons of the AR15 is precisely the public danger element that we have seen over and over with these types of weaponry in mass killings and police deaths. And it is true - it not the gun but the people; the justice system only works one at a time and these mass killings are like a conga line. Moreover ow do you solve the "people problem"? The "pro gun people" as I call them have no idea, the NRA has no idea, the Republicans have no idea, none of them have put fourth anything in the way of a working and satisfactory plan that can actually show some results, but like murder itself, all you can do is imprison of execute the guilty and sit and wait for the next one. THAT is a people problem too. The mass killings in restaurants, and schools and on the street ARE in effect terrorist events; so where does the public go with this problem? Does everybody have to suit up with body armor and Kevlar helmets so that the gun crowd can have their AR15s? Thinking rationally about these things, the only thing really - that is left is banning such weaponry until such a time that we can gain some sort of control over this people problem that we just did not have a generation or two ago. I'm a gun owner, I raised around guns, but we gotta do something, and nothing seems to be working except just making certain weaponry and magazines unavailable to the public - in all 50 states - until such time as we can get a handle on stopping the thinking that creates this crap in the first place.

Edit: sorry to be so wordie, but you're new and I wanted to be able to understand my full position.

On which day would that be?

Dynamite was commonly sold in stores until the idiots that believe behaviour can be changed by denial of objects and substances had one of their hate and fear sessions. It is not sold for any reason of public safety but out of the idiotic belief criminals will be deprived and rehabilitated, proposed by the dumbest people on earth. The same goes for guns, drugs, alcohol, pornography...... not one restrictive law for any of them has ever worked and never will. What is really needed is people who can actually think and arrive at correct conclusions based on evidence. Not emotionally unstable people who act like fearful children wanting mommy government to protect them.

People and government are hardly likely to address the causes of crime when they are falsely misdirected into chasing what cannot help reduce crime, guns. That is the false belief that is what is needed. It's a diversion of money, resources and our safety for no benefit at all and is costing lives and safety
 
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Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

The banneroids have been stymied thus far.

OK go back 50 years and note the gun control laws on the books. Then count the new state laws just since Sandy Hook. Let me know if you still think gun control is stymied.

BTW what do you think has stymied gun control? Can you apply it in California just for a start?

Present composition of congress presents less chances that more bans are going to gain the needed traction to get anywhere.

Government that wants gun control is going to prevent gun control. Governments all want the same thing POWER. Party politics is window dressing or voter fodder.

Should that change, then there will likely be renewed effort to continue to stymie those potential future bans.

What has been done to stymie these measures you claim? I bet you cannot tell me what it is or why firearm owners cannot win in several states but California will do for a start

Obama did more for firearm owners than all the firearm organisations put together.

Any chance these victorious ways can be applied to removing all those gun control laws they never stopped?
 
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You know, eventually, I'd like to build up my AR to look like this. But with a scope, of source (old tired eyes).

This model was tested for use by the TXDPS ..they bought 10,000 of them. Mine now has a 4 rail hand guard but, no optics or other accessories yet.

AR15/M16 Military & Police 4 Sided Rail - M4 Carbine
 
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The idea is to confuse people by telling them the truth. That way the lies never take hold.

The only confusion is by the left.

A Springfield 30-06 my uncle hunted with was a hunting rifle. The Springfield 30-06 my grandfather used in the military was a military weapon. The Springfield 30-06 I shot targets with was a target rifle for me. What a tool is used for designates what it is.

When I use an axe to cut wood it is a tool for making firewood. When a criminal picks up that same axe and kills someone it becomes a weapon. When an axe is thrown for sport it is no different than an aluminum bat being used to play softball.
 
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I have no idea what you're trying to say with that silly post.

I know...



Liberals are irrational and don't know what an ar15 is.


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Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

assault rifle-a select fire weapon of carbine size-firing an intermediate cartridge (between pistol cartridge power and full battle rifle cartridge [like a 8mm or 30-06]). Select fire is a necessary requirement for such a rifle since one of the purposes of an assault rifle for infantry use is to allow several infantry soldiers armed with assault rifles to provide suppressing fire in the absence of a crew served machine gun, when other members of the assault team attempt to destroy the fixed position with explosives or flame throwers.

You guys expect way too much from the average non-gun owner if you think they are going to learn those types of distinctions.
 
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I know...



Liberals are irrational and don't know what an ar15 is.


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You apparently don't know what you're trying to say either.
 
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You guys expect way too much from the average non-gun owner if you think they are going to learn those types of distinctions.

TD hides his inability to argue effectively behind gun technology. It makes him feel as though he knows what he's talking about when it comes to policy.
 
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TD hides his inability to argue effectively behind gun technology. It makes him feel as though he knows what he's talking about when it comes to policy.

You don't understand gun technology or policy.

"This is an assault weapon, and must be banned":

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http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/files/Ruger Mini 14 (folding stock).jpg
http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/files/M1_Carbine_Paratrooper.jpg

"This is not an assault weapon and the People can own them":

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/15/article-2559943-1B81C06000000578-524_634x208.jpg
http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/images/5816.jpg
http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/alpine1right.jpg
 
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TD hides his inability to argue effectively behind gun technology. It makes him feel as though he knows what he's talking about when it comes to policy.

Yet you hide in a cave when asked to support your opinion...On a debate forum even. When asked to explain what makes an AR any more dangerous than a "non assault weapon" such as your M1 carbine, your whole argument is the old third grade "just because". There is no intellect or critical thinking involved in your premise and is simple Trump think "I think my opinion is superior therefore, I am right." Pretty sad.
 
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TD hides his inability to argue effectively behind gun technology. It makes him feel as though he knows what he's talking about when it comes to policy.

Jet hides his lack of knowledge on the subject and his dishonest motivations by running away from my posts. It makes his nonsense seem less idiotic
 
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Yet you hide in a cave when asked to support your opinion...On a debate forum even. When asked to explain what makes an AR any more dangerous than a "non assault weapon" such as your M1 carbine, your whole argument is the old third grade "just because". There is no intellect or critical thinking involved in your premise and is simple Trump think "I think my opinion is superior therefore, I am right." Pretty sad.

as I said-the only way to figure out Jet's silly arguments and his internally contradictory psychobabble is to understand both the stockholm syndrome and Aesop's tale about a tail-or a lack thereof.
 
Re: "Texas school holds raffle for AR-15 assault rifle."

Yet you hide in a cave when asked to support your opinion...On a debate forum even. When asked to explain what makes an AR any more dangerous than a "non assault weapon" such as your M1 carbine, your whole argument is the old third grade "just because". There is no intellect or critical thinking involved in your premise and is simple Trump think "I think my opinion is superior therefore, I am right." Pretty sad.

"non assault weapon" such as your M1 carbine

You've finally hit on it: assault weapons that we speak of today are very highly advanced military weaponry that has a much greater capacity than the older stuff, and the "non assault weapon" variety of rifles. Such modern weaponry has already been banned on a nationwide level in order to accomplish the very same things that I have been advocating. THAT along with all of the known mass attacks that have killed and maimed American citizens here, is all the validation that I need to advance my argument. I have verified and validated every thing I posted on the issue more times than I care to count, and you gun guys still refuse to see the facts right in from of you.
 
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