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Take Race Into Account, and the Case for Gun Control Falls Apart

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Tigerace117 said:
You do realize there's more than one Mickey Spillane out there, right? There was an author named Mickey Spillane and a gangster named Mickey Spillane.

Sounds like Warren shoudn't have been allowed to have a gun.

And I didn't say anything about police shootings. Of course, the 1920s wasn't exactly the Chicago Police Department's Finest Hour.
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I didn't know there was a gangster Mickey Spillane. You got me on that one.

And the Chicago stats like was just a convenience attachment for me.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Well, yes. That's what I was talking about previously. mbig was talking about an all white Chicago, so I pointed out that even when the city didn't have very large populations of African Americans, at least comparatively to today's standards (there were some--- 40,000 in 1910, and an increasing amount after that) there was a still an high rate of crime.
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Can you quantify that?

And all of those stats help my point as well. Even if there was an "all white Chicago" crime would not go away.
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Of course not. No one expects that.
 
faithful_servant said:
Statistics are racist??
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When they ignore data to make a racist point, yes.

Poverty is the cause of most violent crime, not melanin. This information is available in a plethora of studies beyond WordPress blogs.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You do realize there's more than one Mickey Spillane out there, right? There was an author named Mickey Spillane and a gangster named Mickey Spillane.

Sounds like Warren shoudn't have been allowed to have a gun.
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I wasn't aware that gangster history was a prerequisite to gun ownership ;)

And I didn't say anything about police shootings. Of course, the 1920s wasn't exactly the Chicago Police Department's Finest Hour.
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Have they ever had one?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh boy. Did you seriously just go there?

This fantasy that if we just ethnically cleanse the cities crime will go away is laughable.

Does Al Capone ring any bells? John Dillinger? The Barkers? Bonnie and Clyde? Machine Gun Kelly? Bugs Moran? Frank Nitti and Jack McGurn? The Gusenbergs?
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This isn't a response to statistics.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Fabricate? Buddy, I hate to break it to you, but all these guys were real. The point was that even if your dream of an all white Chicago or New York came true, crime wouldn't go away.

Pathetically, you are so desperate to further your agenda you missed the big picture.

As for your other question.....I've got plenty, but I'd hate to waste a chance to get you to take off that Klan hood and educate yourself.

Seriously pal, your insinuation that there haven't been white crime lords or famous gangsters in almost a hundred years is hilarious.

Here are some to get you started.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitey_Bulger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vito_Genovese

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Giancana

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lucchese

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Greene

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Licata_(mobster)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Spillane_(mobster)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosko_Radonjich

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Ivankov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Gigante

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D'Amato

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Corallo
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Look bud, you may have statistics, but I have anecdotes. Now what?
 
Tigerace117 said:
To the fantasy that an all white city would somehow have minimal crime, actually. History shows that to be fallacious.
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Portland Maine (83% white) has a crime index of 16 (safer than 16% of US cities).
Atlanta Georgia (37% white) has a crime index of 2 (safer than 2% of US cities).

See, I can play the anecdotal evidence game too.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Which demographic happens to be the worse stricken by poverty?

Black urban youth. Weird.
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Poverty isn't the only factor. Family structure, population density, education, prevalence of drugs, etc. I'm not saying poverty isn't a problem, but it's not every problem.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
When they ignore data to make a racist point, yes.

Poverty is the cause of most violent crime, not melanin. This information is available in a plethora of studies beyond WordPress blogs.
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I utterly disproved that point, you ignored the post, and yet you continue to claim that poverty is the cause? Are you totally intellectually bankrupt?
 
Rucker61 said:
Poverty isn't the only factor. Family structure, population density, education, prevalence of drugs, etc. I'm not saying poverty isn't a problem, but it's not every problem.
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It is A problem, but it is not the most important problem, not even close. Poverty shows weak correlation to crime. Race, even when taking into account poverty, is a much stronger predictor (and most of the race factor can be explained by rates of single motherhood, but it's hard to say which causes which).
 
phattonez said:
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When you look at gun homicides by race, there's actual not much of a correlation at all. In fact, it's demographics that's lurking behind the murders.
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I'm fascinated by the fact that we have gone 4 pages into posts on this subject and no one has defended gun control. Not one. Instead the race issue is latched onto and guns have been ignored. Fascinating.
 
phattonez said:
It is A problem, but it is not the most important problem, not even close. Poverty shows weak correlation to crime. Race, even when taking into account poverty, is a much stronger predictor (and most of the race factor can be explained by rates of single motherhood, but it's hard to say which causes which).
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We also tend to forget when we compare statistics that actual violent criminals represent a fraction of a percent of any one race.
 
Rucker61 said:
Poverty isn't the only factor. Family structure, population density, education, prevalence of drugs, etc. I'm not saying poverty isn't a problem, but it's not every problem.
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Population density is a function of urban setting; education is a product of population density; family structure goes hand in hand with poverty, while hard drug use tends to follow those in poverty.

Guess where many poor people live in high concentrations. Guess where most minority populations are located.
 
phattonez said:
I utterly disproved that point, you ignored the post, and yet you continue to claim that poverty is the cause? Are you totally intellectually bankrupt?
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Oh, my bad. That WordPress blog totally disproved 60 years of research and statistical analysis. Please, forgive me.
 
Rucker61 said:
We also tend to forget when we compare statistics that actual violent criminals represent a fraction of a percent of any one race.
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I don't have the statistics nicely added up, but when you include battery, theft, and other violent crimes, and you include the fact that it's typically young males committing these crimes, then it actually gets to be pretty significant for some groups.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Oh, my bad. That WordPress blog totally disproved 60 years of research and statistical analysis. Please, forgive me.
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Where are the 60 years of research and statistical analysis that show that poverty is a stronger predictor of violent crime than race? Show me.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Population density is a function of urban setting; education is a product of population density; family structure goes hand in hand with poverty, while hard drug use tends to follow those in poverty.

Guess where many poor people live in high concentrations. Guess where most minority populations are located.
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So why do blacks have higher rates of single motherhood at every income level?

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https://randomcriticalanalysis.word...cide-rates-are-poorly-explained-by-economics/
 
phattonez said:
I don't have the statistics nicely added up, but when you include battery, theft, and other violent crimes, and you include the fact that it's typically young males committing these crimes, then it actually gets to be pretty significant for some groups.
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2015 FBI UCR table 43 has all those details. Violent crime figures vs population show that the number of arrests for violent crimes for Blacks comprised 0.29%, and for property crimes .606%. That's with US population of 320 million and Blacks as 13% of the population.
 
Rucker61 said:
2015 FBI UCR table 43 has all those details. Violent crime figures vs population show that the number of arrests for violent crimes for Blacks comprised 0.29%, and for property crimes .606%. That's with US population of 320 million and Blacks as 13% of the population.
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Sorry I'm a little unclear about one detail. So are you saying that 0.6% of blacks were arrested in 2015 for property crimes? Am I reading that properly?
 
phattonez said:
So it's racist to argue against a point that someone brought up? I just have to agree that poverty is the cause, even though the data don't support that, or else I'm racist? That's not really intellectual.
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You tell us what the cause is then.
 
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