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Modern semi-automatic rifles make machine guns obsolete!

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Contrary to popular belief, what defines what a machine gun is has absolutely NOTHING to do with how fast the gun empties a magazine. The national firearms act of 1934 defines a machine gun to mean: Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a "single function of the trigger". The Hughes Amendment of 1986 prevents any new machine guns from being made for civilians after the date of enactment. Fortunately for gun owners regardless of how fast you can rapidly manipulate the trigger of a semi-automatic rifle like the AR15, regardless if it exceeds the rate of fire of it's automatic cousin, the M16, the firearm is not a machine gun. On the other hand if I were to make a firearm that was capable of firing automatically, but the rate of fire was intentionally delayed to cycle slower that what a semi-auto could fire I would still be in violation of making a machine gun, and subject to prosecution. This is why the modern semi-auto rifles combined with lightened triggers, bump-fire stocks, or the echo triggers are legally capable of matching the rate of fire of title 2 machine gun.

 
JLee1977 said:
Contrary to popular belief, what defines what a machine gun is has absolutely NOTHING to do with how fast the gun empties a magazine. The national firearms act of 1934 defines a machine gun to mean: Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a "single function of the trigger". The Hughes Amendment of 1986 prevents any new machine guns from being made for civilians after the date of enactment. Fortunately for gun owners regardless of how fast you can rapidly manipulate the trigger of a semi-automatic rifle like the AR15, regardless if it exceeds the rate of fire of it's automatic cousin, the M16, the firearm is not a machine gun. On the other hand if I were to make a firearm that was capable of firing automatically, but the rate of fire was intentionally delayed to cycle slower that what a semi-auto could fire I would still be in violation of making a machine gun, and subject to prosecution. This is why the modern semi-auto rifles combined with lightened triggers, bump-fire stocks, or the echo triggers are legally capable of matching the rate of fire of title 2 machine gun.

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AR-15'S make excellent defensive tools as Korean shopkeepers found out during the Rodney King riots in LA
 
fully automatic fire is to suppress movement or break contact. Semi-automatic is designed to hit targets
 
TurtleDude said:
fully automatic fire is to suppress movement or break contact. Semi-automatic is designed to hit targets
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Depends. An M-60 engaging a patrol from a lateral position is supposed to "suppress movement" by making everything between the point and the tail dead.
 
Mac77 said:
AR-15'S make excellent defensive tools as Korean shopkeepers found out during the Rodney King riots in LA
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Agreed! AR15's deterred rioters in Missouri from looting a gun store in a strip-mall in Ferguson during the protests/riots! AR15's were also used to protect a community from looters & police confiscating firearms, after Hurricane Katrina ripped apart New Orleans.
 
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JLee1977 said:
Agreed! AR15's deterred rioters in Missouri from looting a gun store in a strip-mall in Ferguson during the protests/riots! AR15's were also used to protect a community from looters & police confiscating firearms, after Hurricane Sandy ripped apart New Orleans.
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Exactly.

Looters show up in mobs which one well aimed AR-15 can stop in their tracks
 
TurtleDude said:
fully automatic fire is to suppress movement or break contact. Semi-automatic is designed to hit targets
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Understand the deployment concept of semi-auto and full auto! I was merely comparing rapid trigger manipulation, to mechanical full auto!

Semi auto AR15 with bump-fire stock
 
JLee1977 said:
Contrary to popular belief, what defines what a machine gun is has absolutely NOTHING to do with how fast the gun empties a magazine. The national firearms act of 1934 defines a machine gun to mean: Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a "single function of the trigger". The Hughes Amendment of 1986 prevents any new machine guns from being made for civilians after the date of enactment. Fortunately for gun owners regardless of how fast you can rapidly manipulate the trigger of a semi-automatic rifle like the AR15, regardless if it exceeds the rate of fire of it's automatic cousin, the M16, the firearm is not a machine gun. On the other hand if I were to make a firearm that was capable of firing automatically, but the rate of fire was intentionally delayed to cycle slower that what a semi-auto could fire I would still be in violation of making a machine gun, and subject to prosecution. This is why the modern semi-auto rifles combined with lightened triggers, bump-fire stocks, or the echo triggers are legally capable of matching the rate of fire of title 2 machine gun.

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The M231 has a higher rate of fire.
 
Lutherf said:
Depends. An M-60 engaging a patrol from a lateral position is supposed to "suppress movement" by making everything between the point and the tail dead.
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truth but I was talking more about select fire carbines.
 
Wow, this should really piss off some Grabbers. :mrgreen:

I gotta say though, it looks a little hokey to me. Seems like accuracy would definitely be affected. Cool novelty though.

 
countryboy said:
Wow, this should really piss off some Grabbers. :mrgreen:

I gotta say though, it looks a little hokey to me. Seems like accuracy would definitely be affected. Cool novelty though.
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Practice makes perfect!
 
If I want people to stay down or if I have to run away, I use this baby -

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Scares the hell outta people
 
jet57 said:
If I want people to stay down or if I have to run away, I use this baby -

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Scares the hell outta people
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You do know that tanks are legal for people to own even in anti-2nd amendment loon paradise the UK.You just can own the armaments on them.
 
JLee1977 said:
Contrary to popular belief, what defines what a machine gun is has absolutely NOTHING to do with how fast the gun empties a magazine. The national firearms act of 1934 defines a machine gun to mean: Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a "single function of the trigger". The Hughes Amendment of 1986 prevents any new machine guns from being made for civilians after the date of enactment. Fortunately for gun owners regardless of how fast you can rapidly manipulate the trigger of a semi-automatic rifle like the AR15, regardless if it exceeds the rate of fire of it's automatic cousin, the M16, the firearm is not a machine gun. On the other hand if I were to make a firearm that was capable of firing automatically, but the rate of fire was intentionally delayed to cycle slower that what a semi-auto could fire I would still be in violation of making a machine gun, and subject to prosecution. This is why the modern semi-auto rifles combined with lightened triggers, bump-fire stocks, or the echo triggers are legally capable of matching the rate of fire of title 2 machine gun.

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Full auto is pretty pointless for the average shooter, as are bump stocks. They are fun to shoot, but with limited capacity, and rate of fire on weapons like the ar-15 they blow through ammo like no other. Now this is why the us army does not issue full auto anymore for infantry weapons, and even though they have burst using it is frowned upon.

The us military went to infantry weapons being semi, and using crew serve as their main full autos, which are belt fed and can carry enough ammunition to use for their purpose, which is more often than not suppressive fire. Even the military does not just shoot away with them, a melted barrel is no good in combat, there are exceptions but most use involves 3 second bursts, and higher timecount for the 50 cal since it has a slower rate of fire.
 
I guess the point of my post was more to point out the misconception that machine guns are not defined by their fast rate of fire. I have asked several non gun owners what they think a machine gun is, most of which stated a firearm that spray shoots. Which is inaccurate. Manufacturing a new machine gun that fires one round every three seconds would still be illegal if it runs through the round by a single function.
 
jet57 said:
If I want people to stay down or if I have to run away, I use this baby -

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Scares the hell outta people
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How many do you have in the delusional world you live in? Are you fit and responsible enough to own one? Do you show signs of any mental conditions with false or unproven beliefs, responses, actions, delusions or visions? Do you believe you are better than others or more deserving to own such equipment?
 
TurtleDude said:
fully automatic fire is to suppress movement or break contact. Semi-automatic is designed to hit targets
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Depends on the weapon. SMGs are designed to put 3 small caliber rounds in a tightly packed group while also keeping the noise down.

Man I wish I could legally own an MP5SD 9mm with 3 round burst AND use it for self defense legally. And afford it.


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