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Another Day, Another School Shooting

Harshaw said:
Violent crime is currently at historical lows.
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Mass Shootings are up though.

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...by a lot.
 
calamity said:
So, you can't even face the carnage without resorting to Turtlesque "gungrabber" insults. What's next? Maybe you can call me a "banneroid" for simply pointing out that another child is dead due to guns being easier to find than gas stations.
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You walk like a duck, quack like a duck.....
 
calamity said:
Mass Shootings are up though.

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...by a lot.
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Gun banner cities like Chicago have high rates of gun crime that skew those statistics. Go blame progressive repressive policies that make such happen.
 
calamity said:
Where did I say anything about banning guns? A guy can bitch about there being too many damned guns without saying we should ban them, ya know :roll:
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well since it was illegal for the shooter to even touch a gun before this happened, what else are you suggesting
 
calamity said:
Let's see. I personally knew 6 murder victims. Only one was not shot; he was stabbed. I knew 5 suicide victims, only one was not shot, he hung himself.

So, go sell that crap to someone who is buying.
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All circumstantial. How many of the shooters/victims were involved in criminal activity? How many of the shooters had personality disorders? Addictions? How many of the suicidal people had issues that should have been documented? Should have been declared a danger to themselves?

Point: do you think we should charge the gun with murder? With the suicide? End of day it had to be operated by a human. Thus. The problem is human. Blaming guns is a mental short cut to avoid the real problems. Broken inner cities, drug/gang violence, ****ty mental health care, and so on.


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calamity said:
I never claimed causation. You did.
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So it doesn't cause murder then? So why are you trying to push for increased controls?


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Harshaw said:
Violent crime is currently at historical lows.
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OK, well that's good news indeed. Yet there are some avenues of violent crime that, while the whole has decreased, at the very least seem more prevalent. Now perhaps there had always been a certain amount of school violence and shootings, and we're just more apt to hear of it now than before, or perhaps this is an increasing trend in the face of otherwise decreasing stats.

Regardless, it's not the gun's fault, and if we are to analyze and fix the problem, we need to consider the fundamental.
 
calamity said:
Mass Shootings are up though.

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...by a lot.
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Do you think the media blaring these incidents everywhere and giving attention to attention starved scumbags looking to make their mark has ANYTHING to do with this?

I spoke with the media officer from Newtown (yes that Newtown). He was the one the law enforcement officer that was responsible for the press communication. Do you know what he said? He wished we could legally censor the names of the people who commit these acts and bury them in unmarked graves. I understand his sentiment. Think about the people who commit these acts. Do you think more press was the solution?


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calamity said:
Translation: Must. Defend. Guns.
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lets see if we can cut through the BM crap you have spewed

1) california has a very long waiting period to buy a handgun

2) it is illegal to sell a handgun without a check

3) private sales are essentially banned

4) its a felony under federal law for the shooter to have had a firearm

5) its a felony under california law for the shooter to have had a firearm

6) it was a felony for the shooter to take the firearm to a school with the intent of killing someone

7) it was a felony for him to buy a firearm in any state of the country


So tell us, other than your desire to rant about firearms, what exactly else could have been passed in terms of laws that would have stopped this killing?
 
calamity said:
Mass Shootings are up though.

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...by a lot.
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prior to the VPC telling the media to start whining about "semi autos" there were few if any statistics available to tell us what sort of firearms were used in violent crime. Right now far more things are reported as "mass shootings" and they usually happen where there aren't any armed victims. When a shooter is stopped before he can kill "enough" people, the Bannerrhoid press won't say that was a "mass shooting" stopped by an armed citizen.

the fact is-if firearm deaths -by homicide-are going down, the BM has no argument
 
Renae said:
You walk like a duck, quack like a duck.....
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HIs posting history on this board suggests that he was spewing hard core bannerrhoid mantra up until about a year or two ago and then after the election, he went back to his hard core bannerrhoid talking points
 
Renae said:
You walk like a duck, quack like a duck.....
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Gun zealots seem to be incapable of having a discussion on gun carnage. I wonder why that is. It reminds me of gay men who can't talk about AIDS spreading in their communities without getting all defensive about it.
 
TurtleDude said:
prior to the VPC telling the media to start whining about "semi autos" there were few if any statistics available to tell us what sort of firearms were used in violent crime. Right now far more things are reported as "mass shootings" and they usually happen where there aren't any armed victims. When a shooter is stopped before he can kill "enough" people, the Bannerrhoid press won't say that was a "mass shooting" stopped by an armed citizen.

the fact is-if firearm deaths -by homicide-are going down, the BM has no argument
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WTF does your rant have to do with the obvious, and rather striking, uptick in mass shootings shown in the chart over the past 5-10 years?

If anything, that chart shows that more guns does not make for a safer society. But, of course, that rains on the parade of the NRA narrative. So, I can see why you would deflect by prattling on with some nonsense that has nothing to do with the stats.
 
calamity said:
WTF does your rant have to do with the obvious, and rather striking, uptick in mass shootings shown in the chart over the past 5-10 years?

If anything, that chart shows that more guns does not make for a safer society. But, of course, that rains on the parade of the NRA narrative. So, I can see why you would deflect by prattling on with some nonsense that has nothing to do with the stats.
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stop the lying Your argument is dishonest and you know it. the fact is-no one in the school except the felon had a firearm so your butt hurt complaints about guns not making people safer is just tripe. Being disarmed certainly didn't make the wife safer

Tell us why you constantly change your arguments on this subject. You started off on this forum baiting gun owners and spewing some of the most idiotic bannerrhoid nonsense ever seen. Then you claimed you realized how stupid your former position was and you actually sounded like you had learned something. Then after Trump won, you de-evolved back to the prior BM member status.
 
calamity said:
Gun zealots seem to be incapable of having a discussion on gun carnage. I wonder why that is. It reminds me of gay men who can't talk about AIDS spreading in their communities without getting all defensive about it.
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you aren't here to discuss carnage caused when violent felons get guns despite draconian anti gun state and federal laws. You are here to try to use the blood of innocents to smear gun ownership because you are mad gun owners helped elect Trump
 
calamity said:
These days, it seems like everyone has a gun. Get pissed at the wife, shoot the bitch. Get pissed at your boss, shoot the ****er. Get pissed at the guy who cut you off on the highway, shoot the bastard.

I notice a trend.
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With everyone having a gun, you'd think there would be a lot more of this type of situation. There isn't. Remove gang related killings and suicides from the equation, and the total drops close to zero. Consider only CC permit holders, presumably the nuttiest of the gun nuts, the number is far far less.
 
TurtleDude said:
stop the lying Your argument is dishonest and you know it. the fact is-no one in the school except the felon had a firearm so your butt hurt complaints about guns not making people safer is just tripe. Being disarmed certainly didn't make the wife safer

Tell us why you constantly change your arguments on this subject. You started off on this forum baiting gun owners and spewing some of the most idiotic bannerrhoid nonsense ever seen. Then you claimed you realized how stupid your former position was and you actually sounded like you had learned something. Then after Trump won, you de-evolved back to the prior BM member status.
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No. The problem is guns are easier to find than Pez dispensers. So, when some dooshnozzle with a bruised ego feels his old lady wronged him, he can just go get himself one and wreak all kids of havoc.
 
calamity said:
Maybe you can call me a "banneroid" for simply pointing out that another child is dead due to guns being easier to find than gas stations.
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Is that true, that guns are easier to find than gas stations? Is the solution, then, reversing that status so that either guns are hard to find than gas stations or we have more gas stations?
 
calamity said:
No. The problem is guns are easier to find than Pez dispensers. So, when some dooshnozzle with a bruised ego feels his old lady wronged him, he can just go get himself one and wreak all kids of havoc.
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Now's your chance to tell us how you'd make guns harder to find. That solution should probably actually not just make it harder, but sufficiently difficult that dooshnozzles are prevented from getting a gun.
 
Ikari said:
OK, well that's good news indeed. Yet there are some avenues of violent crime that, while the whole has decreased, at the very least seem more prevalent. Now perhaps there had always been a certain amount of school violence and shootings, and we're just more apt to hear of it now than before, or perhaps this is an increasing trend in the face of otherwise decreasing stats.

Regardless, it's not the gun's fault, and if we are to analyze and fix the problem, we need to consider the fundamental.
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I think perception has changed, owing in great part to both a predatory news cycle and social media.
 
calamity said:
Please show where I suggest enacting gun control measures.
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Post #45.

It could have begun by not making 300 million guns available for nuts to grab and use whenever they flip their ****.

Post #44.

How would you not make 300 million guns not available without enacting gun control measures?
 
calamity said:
A couple days after the shooting in a Florida gym, where a disgruntled employee decided to take his pea shooter out for a walk and blow away his old bosses, an angry husband barged into a school to shoot his old lady, before killing himself---taking out an innocent 8-year old boy in the process.

San Bernardino school shooting: Student among 3 dead - CNN.com

Good stuff. Give everyone a gun so that some minor squabble between two spouses results in the death of innocents. Just ****ing great.
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State your specific solutions. If you can't, this thread has no purpose but bait.
 
TurtleDude said:
lets see if we can cut through the BM crap you have spewed

1) california has a very long waiting period to buy a handgun

2) it is illegal to sell a handgun without a check

3) private sales are essentially banned

4) its a felony under federal law for the shooter to have had a firearm

5) its a felony under california law for the shooter to have had a firearm

6) it was a felony for the shooter to take the firearm to a school with the intent of killing someone

7) it was a felony for him to buy a firearm in any state of the country


So tell us, other than your desire to rant about firearms, what exactly else could have been passed in terms of laws that would have stopped this killing?
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It was also a gun free zone. Said so right on the front door.
 
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