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The Democrat Party vs The 2nd Amendment

TurtleDude said:
what's this thread about? are you saying you cannot find another thread on this forum whining about Trump's travel ban?

or are you merely being dishonest and pretending to support idiotic gun control schemes to get even with gun owners whom YOU THINK support stuff that causes you to be upset?
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You brought up the Left's idiotic approach to crime prevention via gun control; I brought up one on the Right: stupid travel bans. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
 
calamity said:
You brought up the Left's idiotic approach to crime prevention via gun control; I brought up one on the Right: stupid travel bans. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
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actually if you cannot stick with the topic of the thread, you should leave it. This is about the idiocy of the Democrat party and its jihad against our rights concerning self defense and firearms. Not about the Trump haters whining about Trump.
 
TurtleDude said:
actually if you cannot stick with the topic of the thread, you should leave it. This is about the idiocy of the Democrat party and its jihad against our rights concerning self defense and firearms. Not about the Trump haters whining about Trump.
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Ah, you want your own Democrat bashing sub-forum. Why didn't you just say so from the beginning?
 
calamity said:
Ah, you want your own Democrat bashing sub-forum. Why didn't you just say so from the beginning?
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are you incapable of understanding, let alone READING, this thread title?
 
TurtleDude said:
are you incapable of understanding, let alone READING, this thread title?
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Are you incapable of understanding the argument that a gun ban is no more or less stupid than a travel ban, regarding the effort to stop attacks?
 
calamity said:
Are you incapable of understanding the argument that a gun ban is no more or less stupid than a travel ban, regarding the effort to stop attacks?
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the difference is -I believe Trump thinks that a ban will actually help. None of the leaders of the bannerrhoid movement are even motivated by public safety
 
TurtleDude said:
this is a thread about the Democrats pissing on our rights concerning firearms ownership. Not your attempt to whine about Trump and trying to justify attacks on the second amendment because you think Second Amendment supporters might support or at least go along with Trump's travel orders
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TurtleDude said:
what's this thread about? are you saying you cannot find another thread on this forum whining about Trump's travel ban?

or are you merely being dishonest and pretending to support idiotic gun control schemes to get even with gun owners whom YOU THINK support stuff that causes you to be upset?
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TurtleDude said:
actually if you cannot stick with the topic of the thread, you should leave it. This is about the idiocy of the Democrat party and its jihad against our rights concerning self defense and firearms. Not about the Trump haters whining about Trump.
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TurtleDude said:
are you incapable of understanding, let alone READING, this thread title?
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I respect your tenacity, but I would've given up after the second attempt at trying to get someone to see something they are intentionally ignoring...
 
Empirica said:
How did the Democrat Party, which long dominated politics throughout the gun-happy south, become so fervently opposed to the Second Amendment?

Until the 20th Century; Democrat Gun Control was motivated entirely by racism which obviously excluded white democrats.

The Democrats kept blacks disarmed and defenseless to make them easier targets for folks such as their friends at the KKK.

Laws Designed To Disarm Slaves, Freedmen, And African-Americans
Sample Slave Codes, Black Codes, Economic-Based Gun Bans Used To Prevent The Arming Of African Americans, 1640-1995
Civil Rights Act of 1866 enacted. CRA of 1866 did away with badges of slavery embodied in the “Black Codes,” including those provisions which “prohibit any Negro or mulatto from having fire-arms.” [CONG. GLOBE, 39th Congress, 1st Session, pt. 1, 474 (29 Jan. 1866)] Senator William Saulsbury (D-Del) added “In my State for many years … there has existed a law … which declares that free Negroes shall not have the possession of firearms or ammunition. This bill proposes to take away from the States this police power …”and thus voted against the bill.

That is until the 1st Progressive President introduced his ideology as the primary driver of Gun Control.

https://newrepublic.com/article/111266/franklin-roosevelt-father-gun-control
Franklin Roosevelt: The Father of Gun Control
"Gun control is one of the great pieces of unfinished business for the Democratic Party."

History has taught the Progressives/Socialists/Marxists/Communists that the masses must be disarmed before they discover that the Utopian Dream they've been promised is systematically graduating towards a Totalitarian Nightmare.

ergo; The new Democrats became Anti-2nd Amendment when Progressives infiltrated their Party and convinced them that everyone should be disarmed.

And the reason given to the gullible masses by their Progressive saviors was, "it's for your own good"! :giggle1:
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The Democratic party really had nothing to with it.

Read this How Ronald Reagan learned to love gun control
 
Grand Mal said:
Who said this..."no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" ?
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Are you denying the premise that the Left is anti-gun?

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calamity said:
Yikes! The DemokRats :eek:

Maybe it just looks like the Democrats are anti-gun because they are not the bought and sold puppets of the NRA as are the GOP.

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Maybe it's because they always introduce gun control legislation.

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calamity said:
What does any of that have to do with the fact that the NRA spent $30M disparaging Dems and promoting Repubs?
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Because Republicans are against gun control.

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TurtleDude said:
the difference is -I believe Trump thinks that a ban will actually help. None of the leaders of the bannerrhoid movement are even motivated by public safety
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You don't know that; you only believe it.
 
TurtleDude said:
OK if that is so, then they are really stupid

Two choices-stupid or dishonest.
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As with those who think banning travel from Country A through E will stop violent attacks by religious fanatics, stupid is pretty common.
 
RickJames3000 said:
This thread is utter crap and deserves no more than a lazy dismissal.
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Why not present some facts to provide your claim of "this thread is utter crap" with some credibility?

Intelligent readers have a propensity to view baseless accusations as nothing more than a ignorant rant.

And we certainly wouldn't want anyone to believe such nonsense about you.....now would we?! :)

calamity said:
It's basically the National Association of Gun Nuts. And, yes, this country has a lot of them.
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So; if an inalienable Constitutional Right that you considered of major importance was being threatened, you wouldn't join with other like-minded citizens in an attempt to preserve it?!

calamity said:
Since the GOP is where all the RW racists in the D party ran to after the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Right tries to pretend that they are still in the Party of Lincoln. :lol:
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Yada! Yada! Yada!

We are well aware that "you people" have been thoroughly indoctrinated to believe that anyone who disagrees with liberal/progressive/democrat politics is a "racist".

But can't you just once discuss an issue rationally without reverting back to these standard party-line accusations and labels?
 
calamity said:
As with those who think banning travel from Country A through E will stop violent attacks by religious fanatics, stupid is pretty common.
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Why don't you go troll on another topic?

NOBODY said the travel ban would STOP violent attacks......only that the travel pause on the countries with the worst current terror situations would stop SOME of it and thus keep us safer.

Why come to an honest thread with your inane and clearly false statements anyway?

There are threads where they will at least be on topic.

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jet57 said:
The Democratic party really had nothing to with it.

Read this How Ronald Reagan learned to love gun control
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You're joking, right? You're saying that Ronald Reagan is/was the greatest threat to the 2nd Amendment?

I do agree that a "conservative", especially one who is very popular, is a much worse threat than a liberal counterpart, due the "trust factor". (yes, I read your link) :thumbs:

But; this thread is about the forever-on-going 2nd Amendment threat overwhelmingly presented by the Democrat Party which must be dealt with in every election.

You are comparing a threat presented by one dead ex-president to an entire major US political party that was the sworn enemy of the 2nd Amendment long before Reagan and has remained so ever since!

Please; let's try to keep it real here, Jet...
 
Empirica said:
You're joking, right? You're saying that Ronald Reagan is/was the greatest threat to the 2nd Amendment?

I do agree that a "conservative", especially one who is very popular, is a much worse threat than a liberal counterpart, due the "trust factor". (yes, I read your link) :thumbs:

But; this thread is about the forever-on-going 2nd Amendment threat overwhelmingly presented by the Democrat Party which must be dealt with in every election.

You are comparing a threat presented by one dead ex-president to an entire major US political party that was the sworn enemy of the 2nd Amendment long before Reagan and has remained so ever since!

Please; let's try to keep it real here, Jet...
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Reagan was not a gun banner WHEN IN OFFICE

Democrats try to mitigate the amount of damage their party has done to our rights by going on and on about RWR after he was out of office and out of mind
 
American said:
Are you denying the premise that the Left is anti-gun?

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Considering that I'm liberal and not against guns, and pretty much every house around me contains at least one gun and one liberal, I can hardly do otherwise.
"The Left", as you conservatives use the term, covers so many people and so many social and political ideologies that you can't say 'the left...' anything. That's what happens when you misuse and overuse a word- it loses it's meaning.
 
Vox said:
Why don't you go troll on another topic?

NOBODY said the travel ban would STOP violent attacks......only that the travel pause on the countries with the worst current terror situations would stop SOME of it and thus keep us safer.

Why come to an honest thread with your inane and clearly false statements anyway?

There are threads where they will at least be on topic.

:2usflag:
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Well, when it comes to crime and violence, some people believe banning certain guns and demanding more stringent background checks on those buying legal ones would...what did you say it would do? Oh yeah---"stop SOME of it and thus keep us safer."

How is your obsession any different than theirs?
 
Grand Mal said:
Considering that I'm liberal and not against guns, and pretty much every house around me contains at least one gun and one liberal, I can hardly do otherwise.
"The Left", as you conservatives use the term, covers so many people and so many social and political ideologies that you can't say 'the left...' anything. That's what happens when you misuse and overuse a word- it loses it's meaning.
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Agreed. That's why my preferred term is "anti-".
 
calamity said:
Well, when it comes to crime and violence, some people believe banning certain guns and demanding more stringent background checks on those buying legal ones would...what did you say it would do? Oh yeah---"stop SOME of it and thus keep us safer."

How is your obsession any different than theirs?
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Because banning certain guns and demanding more stringent background checks would infringe Constitutional Rights and have no significant impact on crime.

A temporary ban on people from the nations with the worst current terror activities would eliminate people from those countries while vetting is improved and would infringe no Constitutional Rights.

:2usflag:
 
Vox said:
Because banning certain guns and demanding more stringent background checks would infringe Constitutional Rights and have no significant impact on crime.

A temporary ban on people from the nations with the worst current terror activities would eliminate people from those countries while vetting is improved and would infringe no Constitutional Rights.

:2usflag:
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Banning people for religion is a violation of the 1st just as much as banning guns violates the 2nd. I know, though, that most of you only care about the latter.
 
Empirica said:
You're joking, right? You're saying that Ronald Reagan is/was the greatest threat to the 2nd Amendment?

I do agree that a "conservative", especially one who is very popular, is a much worse threat than a liberal counterpart, due the "trust factor". (yes, I read your link) :thumbs:

But; this thread is about the forever-on-going 2nd Amendment threat overwhelmingly presented by the Democrat Party which must be dealt with in every election.

You are comparing a threat presented by one dead ex-president to an entire major US political party that was the sworn enemy of the 2nd Amendment long before Reagan and has remained so ever since!

Please; let's try to keep it real here, Jet...
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Hey, I just showed how your "Democrats did it" ideology is patently ridiculous. Gun control in this country is a very old tool for social protections very much the way it's being used now. Thinking people very well understand what the second amendment is and is not and we have the Supreme court to back up our analysis. What I've shown is that even Ronald Reagan-Christ knew where to draw the line. And for the record; this right -wing "Democrat Congress" and "Democrat law" is a disrespectful pejorative that has been used by the radical right to separate the Democratic Party form the word "democratic". I for instance may not like the Republican party at all, but I at the very least show respect for their history and who they are to this country by using a capital "R" when ever I refer to them. "The Democrat law" is just immature and disrespectful of our political process. So yeah, lets keep it real.
 
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