Gun geeks flip out over suspension of preschooler

Cigar · Apr 18, 2017

Rucker61 said:
It wasn't a bullet. It was an empty brass casing. He was four years old.

Looks like a great time to start with the education, when the casing is empty.

Sure the reaction is overkill, but don't discount a teaching moment.

"I" would be asking the 4 Year Old, "why are you bringing that to school", and educating him or her why it's not something to do. That's what my mother and father would have done.

Slyfox696 · Apr 18, 2017

Crimefree said:
FFS. I'm tired of your idiotic unevidence assertions and inflated opinion you have of the importance of your false claims. Either provide evidence or eat it.

It is in the article. I quoted it for you. You asking me to provide evidence I already provided is not honest.

If you're not going to stop posting lies, then why are you posting at all? If you cannot honestly address the fact the school literally claimed the child repeatedly violated policy, then just stop talking.

Also, stop trying to talk about the Constitution. It has nothing to do with this and double jeopardy is a legal term referring to criminal offenses (and it doesn't even pass for a poor example for my position, as it is not close to my position). Stop using words and phrases you clearly don't understand. You're wrong. This is not about guns, this is about insubordination. I understand how badly you wish to feed the persecution complex, but this one just isn't a winner for you.

If you cannot post anything which is not blatantly false and if you refuse to read the evidence you ask for, then we're done. I can deal with ignorance, but I can't deal with nonstop intentional falsehoods.

jaeger19 · Apr 18, 2017

Slyfox696 said:
It is literally the reason the school gave. You're making things up.

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right.. which was not logical. If the casing was any one of many violations.. it would be about that casing and each and every other violation and whether that was actually a violation of policy.

No. The reason for the suspension is repeated offenses. The school stated that very thing.

Which was an illogical attempt by the school to avoid responsibility for a unwise decision and poor policy.

Not only is it not illogical, it happens all the time.

That right.. and its illogical to fail to consider the actual violations that led to the suspension.

I've already addressed this. If the suspension was for gun related reasons, then how come the child was only now suspended, when the child repeatedly violated the policy? The child wasn't suspended because of any one offense, the child was suspended because of repeated offenses.

Offenses of the gun policy presumably. Which makes if for gun related reasons.

That's logic.

Your position is not logical in the least because the only way your position works is to ignore the VERY important fact that the child was not previously suspended for any other gun related violations

ABSOLUTELY FALSE... in no way does my position ignore that the child had other gun related violations and was not suspended. If those gun related violations in any way contributed to the suspension.. which you states they were. Then the issue is still about the gun policy.

That's simply logical.

In your premise...

Administration: Little Billy is suspended from school."

Parents: Why?

Administration: repeated violations of the rules"

Parents: What exactly policies did he exactly violate"?

Administration: "It doesn't matter what he violated.. only that he did"

That's your argument in a nutshell.. and I very much doubt you would support administrations argument if it was anything but firearm policy.

No one who is objective would support administrations or your position.

Rucker61 · Apr 18, 2017

Cigar said:
Looks like a great time to start with the education, when the casing is empty.

Sure the reaction is overkill, but don't discount a teaching moment.

"I" would be asking the 4 Year Old, "why are you bringing that to school", and educating him or her why it's not something to do. That's what my mother and father would have done.

Why isn't it something to do?

Slyfox696 · Apr 19, 2017

Mach said:
The school specifically stated it was not just the 22 casing in their letter. They detail multiple issues in the classroom, and multiple times having had discussion with the parents and student. This was the "last straw". If you think they are lying just because, then I think you are lying "just because", and the parents are lying "just because". See how useful that is?

Preschool owner says suspension of 4-year-old over more than bullet casing | FOX2now.com

You can see the letter to them, it spells out, on the school letterhead, that it was not the only thing.

He's running a preschool that has code of conduct and behavior rules. Other parents are the ones that flip out typically, they hear what some kid told/showed their kid, and they demand action. Schools are a shared institute, if your child has issues behaving as the school and other parents ultimately, require, they get disciplined, and can be expelled. Are you too snowflake to accept that and you want him and his parents coddled?

Thank you. I appreciate someone else taking the time to research this and realize the story the parents told was just not accurate.

Slyfox696 · Apr 19, 2017

jaeger19 said:
right.. which was not logical.

It is logical.

Which was an illogical attempt by the school to avoid responsibility for a unwise decision and poor policy.

I'm beginning to think you don't understand the meaning of "illogical". And they're not trying to avoid responsibility, they are the ones who took the action and have never once shied from it.

How about you do this. How about you go to your local school administration and ask them if they've ever suspended anyone for repeatedly violating school policies. See what they say and then get back to me. I suspect you'll find the administration will tell you they have and then you can come back and apologize to me for you being wrong.

That right.. and its illogical to fail to consider the actual violations that led to the suspension.

We're not failing to consider anything. No one has disputed any individual violations may have violated a firearms (or bullying) policy. But we're talking the reason for the suspension and the reason for the suspension, as stated repeatedly by the school, is for insubordination.

ABSOLUTELY FALSE... in no way does my position ignore that the child had other gun related violations and was not suspended.

Of course it does. It's the only way you can say the things you're saying.

If those gun related violations in any way contributed to the suspension.. which you states they were. Then the issue is still about the gun policy.

No. The issue is the repeated violation of the gun policy. You cannot sit there and say that the child was suspended for gun policy and then ignore all the times he wasn't suspended for gun policy. This is literally your argument right now:

"Yes, I know he wasn't suspended for making a gun out of his fingers. I know he wasn't suspended for making guns out of other toys. I know he wasn't suspended for pretending to shoot other students. But his suspension was still for guns!".

That doesn't make sense. You cannot acknowledge the repeated violations of policy and then pretend it wasn't the repeated violations which led to the suspension, especially when the school explicitly stated it was for repeated violations. That's not logical.

In your premise...

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And that's exactly what happened.

.. and I very much doubt you would support administrations argument if it was anything but firearm policy.

Of course I would. Unlike you, this is not about guns to me (and I'm not anti-gun anyways).

If one violation had been hitting another student (discipline: detention), a second would have been foul language (conference with student), a third would have been vandalism of school property (in-school suspension with warning another violation would lead to suspension) and the fourth would have been the shell casing, I would have absolutely supported a suspension. Schools do this ALL the time. Are students sometimes suspended for one-off offenses? Sure. But they are also suspended for patterns of behavior. The fact you don't seem to know this suggests your knowledge of schools is poor enough you should stop commenting on this.

No one who is objective would support administrations or your position.

Of course they would. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence in how schools are run would support the administration and my position. You're acting like situations such as these are incredibly rare. They're not. Students are suspended for patterns of behavior all the time. We once (years ago) had to suspend a fourth grader who constantly acted out, almost in a manic way, and who constantly was hitting other students during these episodes. We suspended that student for the rest of the school year. There wasn't any one specific instance which prompted the suspension, it was the fact these episodes had happened all year long and the child (and the parent) had been repeatedly warned and disciplined.

No offense (and I genuinely mean no offense), but you don't seem to understand how school discipline works. That's fine, I understand not everyone has the background I have, but take it from someone who DOES have that background and knowledge...suspensions for patterns of behavior happen all the time in nearly all schools.

The child was suspended for repeatedly violating the rules. He wasn't suspended for violating gun policy, because we know there were multiple infractions of gun policy in which he wasn't suspended. It was only after numerous offenses and conferences with both student and parents that the child was finally suspended. According to the letter, the parents were also warned that one more offense would lead to expulsion. And if the child comes back and violates the policy again, the expulsion won't be for making a gun out of his fingers, but rather the fact he violated school policy AGAIN and too often.

I understand the point you're trying to make, I really do. You're just wrong.

jaeger19 · Apr 19, 2017

Slyfox696 said:
It is logical.

I'm beginning to think you don't understand the meaning of "illogical". And they're not trying to avoid responsibility, they are the ones who took the action and have never once shied from it.

How about you do this. How about you go to your local school administration and ask them if they've ever suspended anyone for repeatedly violating school policies. See what they say and then get back to me. I suspect you'll find the administration will tell you they have and then you can come back and apologize to me for you being wrong.
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And how about this.. how about you go to your local school administration and ask if they've ever suspended anyone for repeatedly violating school policies. THEN when they say well yes.. ask them what those policies were and how they were violated. And guess what? when you find out that the actual policy and how it was violated MATTERS..you can come back to US ALL.. and apologize to US ALL on being WRONG.

No one has disputed any individual violations may have violated a firearms (or bullying) policy. But we're talking the reason for the suspension and the reason for the suspension, as stated repeatedly by the school, is for insubordination.

Listen enough.. you just proved me right.. and you wrong.

IF any of the violations leading to the suspension have to due with a firearms policy.. then firearms IS an issue. That's it...

YOU LOSE..

buck up and admit it.

If one violation had been hitting another student (discipline: detention), a second would have been foul language (conference with student), a third would have been vandalism of school property (in-school suspension with warning another violation would lead to suspension) and the fourth would have been the shell casing, I would have absolutely supported a suspension.

What if one violation was because the hitting was the result of self defense?
What if the foul language was because he said "shucks"?
What if the vandalism of school property was because he accidently dropped a piece of paper?.

Would you support his suspension?

Yes or no.

If not.. why not.

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Of course they would. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence in how schools are run would support the administration and my position.

Exactly right..it would take someone with a modicum of intelligence in how schools run to support the administration and your position. Anyone with MORE than a modicum of intelligence would think your position was absurd.

No offense (and I genuinely mean no offense), but you don't seem to understand how school discipline works

That's funny. . I currently serve on a school board. I understand exactly how school discipline works.. and you sir are flat out wrong when you think that each violation that leads to a suspension does not have to be a justifiable violation.

The child was suspended for repeatedly violating the rules. He wasn't suspended for violating gun policy,

He was if that was part of the violations that led to the suspension.

because we know there were multiple infractions of gun policy in which he wasn't suspended

irrelevant.

I understand the point you're trying to make, I really do. You're just wrong.

No sir you are just wrong.

Slyfox696 · Apr 20, 2017

Part 1

jaeger19 said:
And how about this.. how about you go to your local school administration and ask if they've ever suspended anyone for repeatedly violating school policies.

...seriously? You do realize my mother was the school superintendent for over a decade and that I've been a teacher for nearly a decade, right? I'm pretty certain I've mentioned that. Do you really think I don't know how school discipline works?

THEN when they say well yes.. ask them what those policies were and how they were violated.

I talk to my principal all the time and we sometimes discuss discipline. And there have been many times he suspended the child for repeatedly breaking the rules. Not any one rule in particular, just several different rules.

And guess what? when you find out that the actual policy and how it was violated MATTERS..you can come back to US ALL.. and apologize to US ALL on being WRONG.

Except I'm not wrong. I've literally done the things you suggested I do and have done them for years before we had this conversation. You are literally talking to someone who knows intimately details about various children's in and out of school suspensions.

And I'm telling you are wrong. You are speculating ignorantly...I'm speaking knowledgeably. And I'm telling you you are wrong.

IF any of the violations leading to the suspension have to due with a firearms policy.. then firearms IS an issue.

Wow...how do you still not understand this? We're talking about what caused the suspension. We're not talking about each individual offense. Just like a basketball player's fifth foul is what DQ's the player, all that matter is the REPEATED violations. It doesn't matter if the first foul was a hand check and the second was a charge, the fifth foul (regardless of how they were earned) is what disqualifies the player, just like it didn't matter if it was fingers or hitting or language or a casing, it was the repeated violations of policy which led to the suspension.

What if one violation was because the hitting was the result of self defense?
*omit for character count*

You're confusing issues again. Now you're trying to shift focus away from the reason for the suspension and into the realm of whether the policy is a good one. That's a whole other argument, one I've also already responded to and explained.

Let's get you to understand why you're wrong about the reason for the suspension and then we can come back to discuss the validity of the policy.

Slyfox696 · Apr 20, 2017

Part 2

That's funny. . I currently serve on a school board.

That explains everything! No wonder you are so confused and ill-informed, yet willing to shout your ignorance! Everything makes so much sense now.

You know what, perhaps that's not quite fair, there are different levels of school boards. I'm guessing you're on a local school board, because the silly things you've said sound exactly like what a local school board member would say. Local school board members generally don't know their ass from the elbow when it comes to most issues of schools. Too many people who run for local school board do so to fulfill a more personal agenda, usually when they have kids (or grandkids) in school. I can't even begin to count the number of times my mother and grandfather have told me stories about how they had to correct and guide school board members based on state law, because too often local school board members have an inflated sense of self-worth and are completely ignorant to how school works, which can be a dangerous combination.

Just to give you a great example, I once was part of a technology presentation to the local school board. After we were finished, the blank look in the eyes of all the board members told us they had no clue what we just said. However, that didn't stop one recently elected board member to demand to know why we blocked our teachers from using Google Chrome. We don't. That school board member just didn't know the difference between Google Chrome and Google Docs (which we did block, for multiple reasons), but she sure was insistent on finding out why we didn't allow Google Chrome because she had heard we didn't let them use it. And if you want other examples, I have plenty.

I'm sorry, you stating you know what you are talking about because you serve on a school board is hilarious to me and probably most other people who have more intimate knowledge about school boards. Again, perhaps I'm prejudging...perhaps you're not a local school board member. But the things you're saying certainly suggest you are.

Look, you know I'm right. You should realize I'm far more knowledgeable on these types of things. You know I have nearly a decade of experience in education and educational training. You know my whole family has worked for decades in education (grandfather - teacher, principal, superintendent, grandmother - teacher, father - teacher, father's wife - teacher, mother's husband - teacher, mother - teacher, principal, superintendent). You have to know your knowledge pales in comparison to mine.

You're wrong. I've explained multiple times and in multiple ways how you are wrong. You can either accept it or falsely cling to your erroneous position in order to pretend this is about something it's not. At this point, after debating in this thread for nearly a month, I'm just tired of correcting you and getting to the point where I don't even care anymore. And now that I know you serve on a school board, which I'm thinking is a local board, then that really tells me all I need to know about how little you understand what I'm saying.

jaeger19 · Apr 20, 2017

Slyfox696 said:
Part 1
...seriously? You do realize my mother was the school superintendent for over a decade and that I've been a teacher for nearly a decade, right? I'm pretty certain I've mentioned that. Do you really think I don't know how school discipline works?

I talk to my principal all the time and we sometimes discuss discipline. And there have been many times he suspended the child for repeatedly breaking the rules. Not any one rule in particular, just several different rules.

Except I'm not wrong. I've literally done the things you suggested I do and have done them for years before we had this conversation. You are literally talking to someone who knows intimately details about various children's in and out of school suspensions.

And I'm telling you are wrong. You are speculating ignorantly...I'm speaking knowledgeably. And I'm telling you you are wrong.

Wow...how do you still not understand this? We're talking about what caused the suspension. We're not talking about each individual offense. Just like a basketball player's fifth foul is what DQ's the player, all that matter is the REPEATED violations. It doesn't matter if the first foul was a hand check and the second was a charge, the fifth foul (regardless of how they were earned) is what disqualifies the player, just like it didn't matter if it was fingers or hitting or language or a casing, it was the repeated violations of policy which led to the suspension.

You're confusing issues again. Now you're trying to shift focus away from the reason for the suspension and into the realm of whether the policy is a good one. That's a whole other argument, one I've also already responded to and explained.

Let's get you to understand why you're wrong about the reason for the suspension and then we can come back to discuss the validity of the policy.

Yeah look.. this has gone on far enough. There are only two possibilities here. One is that you do NOT have the experience you claim you do. The other is that you are simply being obtuse because you realize that you have lost the argument and that your ego can't let it go.

Personally I lean toward the first since you'd have to work hard to be that obtuse.

IF your premise was followed, schools would have limitless power to suspend and expel students at will. Parents/judge/Lawyer "why was the student expelled?".. School " He violated several school policies"

Parents/judge/Lawyer " what policies did he violate and what exactly was the violation for?"

School "doesn't matter"..

Parents/Judge/Lawyer "oh well then"...

Sorry.. but as a school board member, as an educator.. as adjunct faculty in a university..I have the knowledge to know that your premise simply is wrong.

In cases of suspension and expulsion.. particularly in a public school... each and every violation that led to the suspension is important and gone over in detail. In fact, each policy is reviewed as well. That's done before the student is suspended or expelled first to limit the schools liability. and it sometimes gets questioned again at the state level.. and/or in a court room.

The idea that the individual violations that led to the expulsion or suspension don't matter is simply absurd. The idea that the policy that was violated is "a whole other argument".. is again absurd since its part of the reason for the suspension.

So you can go off and claim that your great grandmothers mother was a teacher... doesn't matter the facts.

You sir are wrong.

Good day.

Slyfox696 · Apr 21, 2017

Part 1

jaeger19 said:
Yeah look.. this has gone on far enough. There are only two possibilities here. One is that you do NOT have the experience you claim you do. The other is that you are simply being obtuse because you realize that you have lost the argument and that your ego can't let it go.

No, it's actually the third possibility...you're wrong and you just don't understand why.

I've spoken of both my experience and my family's experience numerous times over the years. Your accusation I'm lying about it is a desperate attempt to deflect from how badly I've battered you in this debate.

IF your premise was followed, schools would have limitless power to suspend and expel students at will.

And, again, you show your ignorance to laws. Not surprising.

No, a school does not have the power to suspend and expel students at will. The policies which are set by schools have to follow state and federal laws. As a school board member, you should already know this. The fact you don't only highlights why I mock self-important school board members.

Sorry.. but as a school board member, as an educator.. as adjunct faculty in a university

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, this keeps getting better and better. An adjunct faculty at a university? Are you kidding me right now? Also, I notice you didn't clarify what level of school board member you are, so I'm betting my guess was on the money.

First of all, the regulations which govern elementary schools and universities are not always the same, certainly not when it comes to the discipline of a student. For example, in one case you're dealing with children and the other you're dealing with adults. There's also just different standards. So claiming you know how pre-k/elementary schools work because you're an adjunct is just hilariously stupid. And I've already pointed out how ignorant local school board members can be.

You are not speaking from a place of knowledge. Someone who actually teaches in schools, not just sits on a board or works in a completely different area, is far more qualified. And when that person has immediate members of their family who has actually dealt with these types of issues for years...yeah, your ignorance on the subject is quite apparent.

..I have the knowledge to know that your premise simply is wrong.

If you actually had the knowledge, you'd understand why you're wrong. The things you have said in this thread make it clear you don't have the knowledge.

In cases of suspension and expulsion.. particularly in a public school... each and every violation that led to the suspension is important and gone over in detail.

Are you serious right now?

I have said this more times than I can count...no one has said the individual offenses don't matter at all. What I have said is that the individual infractions were not the reason for the suspension, but rather the collection of offenses. And, when determining the reason for the suspension, the type of infraction didn't matter, it was only the repeated actions.

This is not hard to understand. The fact you STILL don't get it (because I don't believe you are the kind of person to lie about it) shows you don't have the knowledge you think you do.

Slyfox696 · Apr 21, 2017

Part 2

The idea that the policy that was violated is "a whole other argument".. is again absurd since its part of the reason for the suspension.

I really do believe you are a local school board member, because only a local school board member could be this allergic to comprehending the nuance.

Again, you are not getting it. As I have already told you, there are two issues here. 1) What caused the suspension 2) Were the policies valid.

You keep trying to conflate the two. You keep trying to bring #2 into discussions of #1. You have done this repeatedly. You are wrong to do that.

The issue we're tackling right now is what caused the suspension and as the school has CLEARLY said, it was the repeatedly violating the rules which led to the suspension. The school said this, almost point blank. You arguing with them is nonsensical. Then, when I try to explain I would support the school for the same actions if the offenses were language, hitting, etc., you then try to conflate with #2 by asking about situations where you feel I shouldn't support the school for the minor transgressions you listed...but we're not debating the quality of the policy, which is exactly what you're trying to do when you say things like, "dropped a piece of paper". When you say things like that, you are calling into question the validity of the policy, as to whether the policy is fair and if discipline is fair for violating said policy. You're conflating issues, as I've told you.

Stop doing that. All it does is serve to lengthen posts and confuse you. We can talk about whether the policy is a good one later. We're focused on the suspension and what caused it. Whether you think the child SHOULD have been suspended for violating this policy/policies is irrelevant at the moment. We can discuss it later.

Right now we're talking about the reason for the suspension. And the reason, as CLEARLY stated by the school, is repeated violations of policy. It didn't matter if the child hit another student, vandalized the school or brought a casing to school, it was the REPEATED violation of policy which led to the suspension, as CLEARLY stated by the school.

I don't understand how any person can have these facts and then still insists on their alternative reality to discuss the situation. It doesn't make sense to me at all.

So you can go off and claim that your great grandmothers mother was a teacher... doesn't matter the facts.

You are trying to tell me you know better than I do because you're a local school board member and an adjunct, which is utterly laughable, but you don't think having immediate family in actual administrative positions is relevant to understanding what happened here?

Do you really not understand how absurd your position is on this?

You sir are wrong.

Says the person who is clearly ignoring what the school said to try and twist this into something it isn't, just so you can, I can only assume, feel persecuted about guns.

No, sir, you are wrong. You are ignoring facts (as I've pointed out multiple times), you are repeatedly conflating issues which, in turn, confuse you, and you hold a position which can only be held if you ignore facts and logic.

You're wrong. This is obvious to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about schools.

Good day.

Same to you.

jaeger19 · Apr 21, 2017

Slyfox696 said:
Part 1
No, it's actually the third possibility...you're wrong and you just don't understand why.

I've spoken of both my experience and my family's experience numerous times over the years. Your accusation I'm lying about it is a desperate attempt to deflect from how badly I've battered you in this debate.

And, again, you show your ignorance to laws. Not surprising.
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Blah blah blah... you are the one being ignorant. Each and every violation that a child makes on their way to suspension or expulsion matters. Each one is gone over with a fine tooth come to make sure that the school is acting appropriately.

You claim it doesn;t matter... the school can just say "it was because of multiple violations" and leave it at that. and in there is NO WAY IN HECK.. that's true.

No, a school does not have the power to suspend and expel students at will.

IF WE USED YOUR PREMISE THEN THEY WOULD! that's what you don't get.

The policies which are set by schools have to follow state and federal laws. As a school board member, you should already know this. The fact you don't only highlights why I mock self-important school board members.

this is why I cringe if you are really a teacher... because you lack of logic is beyond comprehension from someone that's supposed to be educated and supposedly an educator.

I FRIGGIN KNOW THAT SCHOOLS HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS... that's why EACH AND EVERY violation of policy matters.. that;s why each and every "violation" has to be reviewed to see IF its actually violation of policy for one, and 2. THAT THE POLICY FOLLOWS STATE AND FEDERAL LAW.

According to you.. it doesn't matter because all the school has to say is "we suspended him for multiple violations".. and that's it.

NO.. each and every violation and policy that LED to the expulsion matters.

Oh, this keeps getting better and better. An adjunct faculty at a university? Are you kidding me right now?

nope.

First of all, the regulations which govern elementary schools and universities are not always the same, certainly not when it comes to the discipline of a student

What you don't understand is that in both cases.. the federal and state laws that government DO MATTER... and that means that each and every violation that leads to suspension/expulsion matters.

Someone who actually teaches in schools, not just sits on a board or works in a completely different area, is far more qualified

Well.. I HAVE taught at the highschool . I HAVE TAUGHT AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.. I HAVE BEEN A BOARD MEMBER FOR BOTH A DISTRICT AND FOR A UNIVERSITY.'

What I have said is that the individual infractions were not the reason for the suspension, but rather the collection of offenses

Holy crap.. you have to work hard to be this obtuse. If there wasn't individual infractions there would not be a suspension.. NOW WOULD THERE!.

So the individual infractions ARE the reason for the suspension.

That FACT that you don't understand that shows that you don't have the knowledge you claim you do.

Crimefree · Apr 22, 2017

Cigar said:
Why is a Kid bringing Bullets to School ... ? :roll:

Because gun control advocates are delusional and cannot read or comprehend. It was a .22 cartridge case. Buillets are the thing that exists the front of the barrel. Do not forget that again as it shows abysmal ignorance.

Maybe that's a First Question a responsible parent and Gun owners should ask?

What would it be? What was unsafe or going to harm anyone?

Who knows, maybe his buddies where bringing the Guns to School.

See what I mean about delusional.

Crimefree · Apr 22, 2017

Slyfox696 said:
Part 1
No, it's actually the third possibility...you're wrong and you just don't understand why.

I've spoken of both my experience and my family's experience numerous times over the years. Your accusation I'm lying about it is a desperate attempt to deflect from how badly I've battered you in this debate.

Your experience and that of your parents or anyone else is irrelevant to this debate until you can show validity. A process your ignorance refuses to accept and it wins no debates. Thus far you have offered no evidence what-so-ever that the suspension was not due entirely to the last offence.

What the school says it is and what it IS are two different things. Let me tell you that if those parents sued the school would soon change its tune as double jeopardy is clearly unconstitutional.

I gave you the example of a repeat criminal and still you are blind to obvious facts. You believe that your word is somehow sufficient proof that cannot be challenged by verifiable facts.

You lost now buzz off until you can show that your claim is correct. Do desist repeating your refuted crap until you can show that it is correct with verifiable evidence. ie constitution, laws, legal tenets all of which prove you are wrong.

And, again, you show your ignorance to laws. Not surprising.

Again your inflated ego blinds you despite having been told.

rubbish snipped as irrelevant ranting.

First of all, thethe reason for the suspension, but rather the collection of offenses.

These offences had been addressed and punished they cannot again be used. What do you have difficulty inn understanding? Phone a lawyer and ask if in doubt. Neither you, your parents or the school is a qualified source. Do you get that now?

And, when determining the reason for the suspension, the type of infraction didn't matter, it was only the repeated actions.

And they let you teach :shock::roll:

Is double jeopardy. As you have been reliably informed this cannot be done in any country. These infraction may only contribute to the SEVERITY of the punishment. Now will you let it go because you are standing on a pile of your own dung making a fool of yourself.

This is not hard to understand. The fact you STILL don't get it (because I don't believe you are the kind of person to lie about it) shows you don't have the knowledge you think you do.

Your inflated ego is becoming annoying and never in my life have I seen such abject ignorance from a teacher to full of themselves to even learn or think

You lost at the first post now go annoy somebody else or better improve your limited knowledge and inflated ego.

No evidence do not post.