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Legalizing silencers, what could possible go wrong?

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Set the Right loose and they certainly do run with the ball.

Silencers, also called suppressors, are restricted under the National Firearms Act, alongside weaponry like machine guns and sawed-off shotguns. Federal regulations impose a high barrier to purchase: Buyers must pay a $200 transfer fee, submit to fingerprinting and pass a federal background check, a process that can take up to nine months to complete.

Lawmakers say their push to end those requirements and thereby make silencers more easily available is about protecting the hearing of gun owners exposed to high-volume blasts while hunting or target shooting.

What If Millions Of People Get Gun Silencers? Congress Is Ready To Roll The Dice. | The Huffington Post
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I certainly do not buy what's being sold in bold. But, hey. Free country. I can see a few good applications for a silencer. That's for sure.
 
calamity said:
Set the Right loose and they certainly do run with the ball.



I certainly do not buy what's being sold in bold. But, hey. Free country. I can see a few good applications for a silencer. That's for sure.
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Do you know how silencers actually work or are you just talking out your ass?
 
Silencers are “used to conceal the fact that you are firing a weapon,” said Rep. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.). “There will be more crimes committed, more people killed” if the current bill passes.
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Somebody watches too many movies.
 
I hope this passes. I've been holding off on purchasing one in hopes the process will become an easier experience. Last one I got it took almost a full year and close to a grand when all said and done
 
"Silencers are “used to conceal the fact that you are firing a weapon,” said Rep. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.)."

...by reducing the sound of firing to that of a rock concert or jackhammer.
 
calamity said:
Set the Right loose and they certainly do run with the ball.

I certainly do not buy what's being sold in bold. But, hey. Free country. I can see a few good applications for a silencer. That's for sure.
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Why on EARTH should it take nine months? No wonder legislators want to get rid of the regulation.

Federal background check, five minutes.
 
calamity said:
Set the Right loose and they certainly do run with the ball.



I certainly do not buy what's being sold in bold. But, hey. Free country. I can see a few good applications for a silencer. That's for sure.
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Anyone got a pool running on how many times the OP has actually heard, much less fired, a silenced weapon?
 
Rucker61 said:
"Silencers are “used to conceal the fact that you are firing a weapon,” said Rep. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.)."

...by reducing the sound of firing to that of a rock concert or jackhammer.
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It does make the sound harder to identify as a gunshot.
 
calamity said:
Set the Right loose and they certainly do run with the ball.



I certainly do not buy what's being sold in bold. But, hey. Free country. I can see a few good applications for a silencer. That's for sure.
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What is the argument for allowing silencers?
 
Tigerace117 said:
It does make the sound harder to identify as a gunshot.
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Have you ever heard a suppressed firearm? Are criminals going to run and spend $800 on a device that makes it impossible to conceal their gun?
 
Rucker61 said:
Have you ever heard a suppressed firearm? Are criminals going to run and spend $800 on a device that makes it impossible to conceal their gun?
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Yes, I have. Yes, I know that it does not sound like a whisper. Yes, I do believe criminals are more than capable of stealing something, especially once it becomes legal and therefore likely to be in stock.
 
calamity said:
Set the Right loose and they certainly do run with the ball.



I certainly do not buy what's being sold in bold. But, hey. Free country. I can see a few good applications for a silencer. That's for sure.
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Silencers do not silence anything except subsonic rounds, and subsonic rounds are not very powerfull. Supersonic rounds have an immediate blast heard by the shooter and those nearby, and a sonic crack that can be heard for miles if nothing obstructs the sound.

Subsonic already would not be heard too far from the shooting site, infact my 44 cap and ball when loaded subsonic sounds like a civil war cannan when shooting it, but a couple hundred feet away people could barely hear anything.

Enough said those movies with assassins being deadly silent are fake, all those video games with silenced m-16s and saws are fake as well. even subsonic silenced could be heard nearby if close enough. If someone wanted silence a crossbow would be the most silent projectile, that also is easier to obtain than a firearm.
 
calamity said:
Set the Right loose and they certainly do run with the ball.



I certainly do not buy what's being sold in bold. But, hey. Free country. I can see a few good applications for a silencer. That's for sure.
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Chris Murphy's argument is dumb. Silencers aren't as quiet as how they are portrayed in movies and TV Shows. And having to possibly wait for up to 9 months just for a silencer is completely ridiculous, IMHO.

So I'd be fine with this regulation being removed.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, I have. Yes, I know that it does not sound like a whisper. Yes, I do believe criminals are more than capable of stealing something, especially once it becomes legal and therefore likely to be in stock.
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Then what?
 
TheGoverness said:
Chris Murphy's argument is dumb. Silencers aren't as quiet as how they are portrayed in movies and TV Shows. And having to possibly wait for up to 9 months just for a silencer is completely ridiculous, IMHO.

So I'd be fine with this regulation being removed.
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You do know that a silencer makes the gun less accurate, and therefore renders the argument that target shooters and hunters need them to save their ears bull****. Correct?
 
calamity said:
You do know that a silencer makes the gun less accurate, and therefore renders the argument that target shooters and hunters need them to save their ears bull****. Correct?
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I don't see how that follows.
 
calamity said:
You do know that a silencer makes the gun less accurate, and therefore renders the argument that target shooters and hunters need them to save their ears bull****. Correct?
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Are you sure about that? I think that from a bench you'll see better accuracy with a can.
 
calamity said:
You do know that a silencer makes the gun less accurate, and therefore renders the argument that target shooters and hunters need them to save their ears bull****. Correct?
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A suppressor will change the point of impact from the current zero, but that's fixed by twisting a few knobs. Precision isn't affect at all.

Suppressor Effects | Gun Digest

"Suppressors Enhance Accuracy

Unless improperly installed or attached, suppressors do make shooting more accurate. Velocity change is low to nonexistent and generally increases. Modern designs have no adverse affect on the bullet. Standard deviation decreases, as a rule, providing consistency, and significant recoil reduction allows you to be more accurate.

Less muzzle rise, less sound and less concussive effect also help a shooter improve accuracy. As long as they do not come loose and are installed properly, modern suppressors will do nothing less than enhance a shooter’s accuracy."
 
Lutherf said:
Are you sure about that? I think that from a bench you'll see better accuracy with a can.
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A suppressor built right into the barrel, thereby eliminating any transition joints within the rifling tube, can be an asset since it reduces kick. But, now we are talking a whole different animal.
 
calamity said:
You're not an engineer or a target shooter. Suppressors, unless machined onto the barrel itself forming a one=piece construction, introduce enough distortion to affect the ballistics. Pretty much any screw on suppressor will throw off the flight of a bullet.
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POI is accounted for by rezeroing.
And, in target shooting even a few millimeters matter.
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In hunting, a minute of elk is sufficient.
 
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