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Legalizing silencers, what could possible go wrong?

Explain why it is completely rational. Bonus points for explaining why the UK, France and Scandinavia allow their sale to anyone who can own a gun.

Why should I care what the UK, France and Scandinavia do or do not do? Do you support universal healthcare because those countries do? wtf?

As for why restrictions on suppressors is rational: loud guns are good. I very much appreciate hearing a gunshot from far away. It's a huge heads up.
 
Does a shift in point of impact imply less accurate to you?

That would be less precision. However, if the shift is not consistent, then it is less accurate as well.
 
Did you vote for Trump? Yes. Did Trump put Devos in to head Education and Sessions to head the AG slot? Yes. All three are pushing parts of the agenda I mentioned.

I rest my case.

what a pathetic and stupid reason to support a stupid law (and who knows if you really support it-tomorrow you might sound like Wayne LaPierre or Larry Pratt on steroids)
 
I've never needed an abortion or to get married to a man. I guess since I never experienced those needs, no one has. Why the big push nationally for problems I've never had?

Fallacy of False Equivelancy.
 
Why are you changing the subject? You said this was about noise pollution. What evidence do you have that such a national problem exists and demands national action?

https://www.google.com/search?q=gun...e.1.69i57j0.5365j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


Your use of terms like statist and fascist seem like attempts to wave a red flag at a perceived bull and distract from your lack of evidence about your initial claim of noise pollution.


More like a laser pointer at a little kitty cat..... ;)
 
Why should I care what the UK, France and Scandinavia do or do not do? Do you support universal healthcare because those countries do? wtf?

The topic is gun control. UHC discussions can be found elsewhere, unless you believe that there is a link between over the counter suppression and health care. I can well understand why you dismiss the point, though, as it completely shoots any objections you'd have in the foot.

As for why restrictions on suppressors is rational: loud guns are good. I very much appreciate hearing a gunshot from far away. It's a huge heads up.

Do you hear many gunshots? Is there a safety reason for loudness that's somehow escaped those who create and enforce rules for motor vehicle noise abatement? Is 130dB still loud in your mind? Do you hear some quiet murmuring at 130dB and investigate, only to find that it's a nearby rock concert or jackhammer that's somehow escaped notice due to it only being 130dB?
 
That would be less precision. However, if the shift is not consistent, then it is less accurate as well.

No, there is no implication of less precision. A friend has offered to send me photos of his last range trip with a suppressor equipped rifle where the 5 shot 100 yard group can be covered with a nickel. The accuracy results are consistent - it shifts POI, it doesn't randomize it. If it did no one would use a suppressor on precision rifles.
 
No, there is no implication of less precision. A friend has offered to send me photos of his last range trip with a suppressor equipped rifle where the 5 shot 100 yard group can be covered with a nickel. The accuracy results are consistent - it shifts POI, it doesn't randomize it. If it did no one would use a suppressor on precision rifles.

It's like trying to qwell hysteria with reason.
 
what a pathetic and stupid reason to support a stupid law (and who knows if you really support it-tomorrow you might sound like Wayne LaPierre or Larry Pratt on steroids)

I've never heard Larry Pratt make a false claim or a ridiculous claim for that matter. One of the few organisation leaders that actually knows what is needed. People power not hero power. I'm willing to learn.
 

DO NOT give me a search and pretend it is evidence. You know better than that.

If you think you have evidence - your present that specific evidence.

DO NOT point me in the direction of a hayfield and then insult me by pretending there just might be a needle in one of thousands of haystacks.

You really know better than to pull some nonsense like this and try to pretend its debate.
 
That would be less precision. However, if the shift is not consistent, then it is less accurate as well.

Have you looked up the meaning of precision? Do so.
 
Why should I care what the UK, France and Scandinavia do or do not do? Do you support universal healthcare because those countries do? wtf?

As for why restrictions on suppressors is rational: loud guns are good. I very much appreciate hearing a gunshot from far away. It's a huge heads up.

Is that what they mean by exhibiting fear. Then produce a rational reason and not one based on your fear.

Why do you worry if you hear gun shots a mile away? Have you figured how far away you can hear a suppressed firearm yet? Give us your best guess.
 
Is that what they mean by exhibiting fear. Then produce a rational reason and not one based on your fear.

Why do you worry if you hear gun shots a mile away? Have you figured how far away you can hear a suppressed firearm yet? Give us your best guess.

He doesn't even care-he already admitting he is posting this crap to bait gun owners whom he accuses of supporting laws that vex him-like ICE deporting illegal aliens or Sessions wanting to prosecute weed smokers. He doesn't have any rational arguments. Its all about political payback
 
I'm half deaf in my right ear, so I support this.
 
Staying at a Holiday Inn Express will do that.
No you believing your own nonsense is what has you thinking you know what you are talking about. Which you clearly don't.
 
He doesn't even care-he already admitting he is posting this crap to bait gun owners whom he accuses of supporting laws that vex him-like ICE deporting illegal aliens or Sessions wanting to prosecute weed smokers. He doesn't have any rational arguments. Its all about political payback

Yes but what he does not realise is it gives me the opportunity to shoot down popular gun control myths and since he has to personalise it he just comes off looking like a mean spirited don't care gun control nut. Suits me when people show their true colours.
 
Laws that restrict access to firearms, and their accessories from people who are neither inclined or determined to use them unlawfully accomplishes absolutely nothing! The argument that the Hearing Protection Act of 2017 is mostly about preserving hearing is amusing to me. I personally think it was more of a creative way of packaging the bill making it easier for people to swallow. Silencers or suppressors are regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 which imposed strict oversite, and a $200 transfer tax. Contrary to popular belief silencers were not added to the NFA because of rampant use by would be assassins. Poaching during the great depression was more of a concern, and adding silencers to the NFA was though to prevent "quiet" poaching. Hollywood can be blamed for the miss representation of what silencers really sound like, as well as their use only by assassins. Federally silencers have never been illegal to own. However some states still to this day have banned ownership of them. I can see no rational reason why silencers should remain regulated under the NFA. After purchasing a silencer from a gun shop, ATF form 4 is filled out, finger prints are taken, the forms are mail out, and the waiting begins. My first silencer purchase in 2006, under the current process took 28 days to get an approval back. The current waiting time for approvals are reportedly taken 8 - 14 months, due to the increased popularity, and the lack of ATF examiners. The Hearing Protection Act merely updates and 83 year old way of doing a background check, and transfer it to the FBI NICS background check system. Silencers would be treated the same as any other firearm purchase from a gun shop.
 
Laws that restrict access to firearms, and their accessories from people who are neither inclined or determined to use them unlawfully accomplishes absolutely nothing! The argument that the Hearing Protection Act of 2017 is mostly about preserving hearing is amusing to me. I personally think it was more of a creative way of packaging the bill making it easier for people to swallow. Silencers or suppressors are regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 which imposed strict oversite, and a $200 transfer tax. Contrary to popular belief silencers were not added to the NFA because of rampant use by would be assassins. Poaching during the great depression was more of a concern, and adding silencers to the NFA was though to prevent "quiet" poaching. Hollywood can be blamed for the miss representation of what silencers really sound like, as well as their use only by assassins. Federally silencers have never been illegal to own. However some states still to this day have banned ownership of them. I can see no rational reason why silencers should remain regulated under the NFA. After purchasing a silencer from a gun shop, ATF form 4 is filled out, finger prints are taken, the forms are mail out, and the waiting begins. My first silencer purchase in 2006, under the current process took 28 days to get an approval back. The current waiting time for approvals are reportedly taken 8 - 14 months, due to the increased popularity, and the lack of ATF examiners. The Hearing Protection Act merely updates and 83 year old way of doing a background check, and transfer it to the FBI NICS background check system. Silencers would be treated the same as any other firearm purchase from a gun shop.

The NFA like all firearm legislation is useless to citizens. Sold to gullible people due to a lack of education by firearm organisations as some sort of safety legislation. Fact is this was deliberate and intended to give 5000 odd now unemployed moonshine cops something to do with funding from their activity. BATF was formed from the now defunct moonshine police. Look it up and find out the truth of gun control legislation. It is never about guns. It is about CONTROL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Prohibition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Alcohol,_Tobacco,_Firearms_and_Explosives

Trust government they would never do that. Moonshine cops at work.

The Chemist's War
The little-told story of how the U.S. government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition with deadly consequences.
The little-told story of how the U.S. government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition.

Some people have this idiotic idea citizens are important or have some value to government......
 
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