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    Re: Who enforces the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I should not have to point out that what is defined as too drunk to drive defines intoxication.
    0.8 doesn't mean that everyone who tests to that level is intoxicated, only that the arbitrary limit set by government has been met.
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    There is no loophole. The Brady Act works exactly as the Democrats who wrote it, voted on it, signed it into law and affirmed it intended it to work.
    According to a New England Journal of Medicine report posted by member flogger, there are about 250,000 defensive gun uses per year.

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    Re: Who enforces the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Not really. Several gunners have argued that any law criminalizing the use of firearms due to disability is unconstitutional.


    Considering the numbers of Muslims and illegal immigrant Mexicans in this country, there is not a lot of prood showing illegals and Muslims are dangerous. I guess they are like the shark attack at the beach. One person gets bit, and suddenly no one wants to go into the ocean.



    Fear of immigrants, including illegals and Muslim refugees, is irrational.
    Just as irrational as basing ones fear of millions of firearms owners on the actions of a fraction of 1%....
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    Re: Who enforces the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimefree View Post
    The courts may only police the laws government makes. The courts cannot police the constitution.
    As you use it here, I'm not sure "police" is the right word. I would say "approve" or "oversee" or perhaps "enforce."

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    Re: Who enforces the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But the unscrupulous have learned to use the courts effectively for their unscrupulousness (is that a word?) When federal laws in 1964 and further expanded in 1976 allowed those suing in civil rights cases to collect lawyer fees and some other expenses, the ACLU was scouring the countryside to find somebody with standing who would say that a historical cross on a government shield or a religious piece of art was offensive to them so they could sue. It became extremely lucrative for them. And now with a hugely leftist court system in place, it is almost impossible for common sense to prevail in almost any social issue.

    So it is entities like the 9th Circuit et al who work hand in hand with the opportunistic leftists to dismantle anything traditional or seen as non-'progressive' and thereby slowly are making progressivism the law of the land.
    I see your points, but couldn't the very same thing said about the "rightists"?

    I'm in favor of using the courts to correct errors in the legislative effort, but unfortunately it takes a lot of money.

    As an example, when each person signs a credit card agreement, he signs away his right to sue the company for malfeasance. Instead, he must go through an arbitration process that heavily favors the issuer of the card, and works against the individual. Yes, it is the law, but we must ask how it became the law. Did, for example, the lobbying by the US Chamber of Commerce have anything to do with how the law came into existence? Should anybody try to work within the system to correct the error?

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    Re: Who enforces the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimefree View Post
    I suppose if we look at it from the world is doomed point of view we can find ten thousand excuses. If we were smart then some analysis and strategy might make things look a lot more doable and not so daunting.

    It is not possible to fight on all fronts at once so it is obvious the critical path must be identified. Firearms are the key to holding government in check. Without firearm government has nothing to fear from citizens. They might get angry and demonstrate but that can be crushed with force. This puts retention of arms right at the front, nothing new the founders told us the same.

    How does one win that fight for recognition of the one right we cannot do without? It's focused, citizens are used to arms and the only real fight is to convince citizens that gun control is not here for public safety, in fact the opposite. That following gun control means giving up your right to safety and security for yourself and family.

    As gun control already knows and demonstrates citizens safety is a huge lever that many will not ignore because they are to busy.

    It needs dedicated people who understand what is needed and are willing to make a public impact to spread the truth about gun control.

    Why will it work? Only a government with suicide in mind makes laws that are hugely unpopular and not supported by citizens. Aware citizens who appreciate and value their rights are far less likely to be to busy to protect them

    It is the only way we can enforce the constitution. The founders hoped we might see that as a duty.
    I think we need to be focused on a lot more than gun control because if we put all our attention there, we will lose everything else and there won't be anything left to defend. To me, the key is the courts. If we get that right we won't have to worry about our Second Amendment rights.
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    Re: Who enforces the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    I see your points, but couldn't the very same thing said about the "rightists"?

    I'm in favor of using the courts to correct errors in the legislative effort, but unfortunately it takes a lot of money.

    As an example, when each person signs a credit card agreement, he signs away his right to sue the company for malfeasance. Instead, he must go through an arbitration process that heavily favors the issuer of the card, and works against the individual. Yes, it is the law, but we must ask how it became the law. Did, for example, the lobbying by the US Chamber of Commerce have anything to do with how the law came into existence? Should anybody try to work within the system to correct the error?
    I don't know how credit card rules came about as I have never ever had a problem with any credit card we have ever owned. But nobody is required to use a credit card. And in a free market system, anybody who doesn't like the existing rules can start their own credit card company with any rules they want so long as they comply with state usary rules, etc. I know of no unalienable or constitutional right to own a credit card.

    But to address your opening comment, no I don't think those on the right want the court to make laws that suit them. They want their elected representatives at the local, state, and federal level to make laws that suit them, and they want the court to rule on the Constitution and other law as it was intended and not as the judge wants it to be.
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    Re: Who enforces the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't know how credit card rules came about as I have never ever had a problem with any credit card we have ever owned. But nobody is required to use a credit card. And in a free market system, anybody who doesn't like the existing rules can start their own credit card company with any rules they want so long as they comply with state usary rules, etc. I know of no unalienable or constitutional right to own a credit card.

    But to address your opening comment, no I don't think those on the right want the court to make laws that suit them. They want their elected representatives at the local, state, and federal level to make laws that suit them, and they want the court to rule on the Constitution and other law as it was intended and not as the judge wants it to be.
    My bet is that the lobbyists representing special interests "on the right" are far more numerous, sophisticated, well-heeled and influential than any group of lobbyists "on the left".

    If you want to read an excellent book about corporate (right) control of the legislative and rule-making process, read "The Fine Print" by David Cay Johnston.

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    Re: Who enforces the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    My bet is that the lobbyists representing special interests "on the right" are far more numerous, sophisticated, well-heeled and influential than any group of lobbyists "on the left".

    If you want to read an excellent book about corporate (right) control of the legislative and rule-making process, read "The Fine Print" by David Cay Johnston.
    Feel free to post data that supports your claims.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/toporgs.php
    There is no loophole. The Brady Act works exactly as the Democrats who wrote it, voted on it, signed it into law and affirmed it intended it to work.
    According to a New England Journal of Medicine report posted by member flogger, there are about 250,000 defensive gun uses per year.

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    Re: Who enforces the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I should not have to point out that what is defined as too drunk to drive defines intoxication..
    I should not have to mention there is no law against intoxication and if you had read and comprehended my post you would have got that.

    But, hey...
    Anyone with an ideological blindness......

    You can always try it and report back to us how that works out
    I've been waiting for you to do that with your idiotic gun control ideology. In fact I've asked you to show anyone of these stupid oppressive laws which have worked in the entire world and you have failed to give a single one. Even if you could find one which is impossible the statistical significance would be negligible. Yet here you are still pounding known lies. Perhaps you can explain what kind of person does that. I'd be interested in your answer

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    Re: Who enforces the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Feel free to post data that supports your claims.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/toporgs.php
    The dollars spent is interesting, but not a true indication of the success or failure of various lobbying efforts over the years.

    Just a hunch, but my bet is that lobbyists for companies belonging to, for example, the US Chamber of Commerce, have been far more successful in getting favorable legislation passed than have lobbyists for, say, ACLU or other "liberal" organizations.

    Johnston in his several books makes it very clear how legislation written by various corporations has negative effects on society at large.

    I'm not sure what the mission statement is for Open Secrets, but Johnston makes a very compelling case. Anybody taking the time to read all the fine print in his credit card agreement will understand what rights he has surrendered for that card.

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