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Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons[W:268]

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Since it seems many gun rights folks support ICE in their actions of raiding homes to look for illegal aliens, maybe we should endorse the idea of ATF agents raiding homes to look for illegal guns. You're all good with that. Right?


Thoughts.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Since it seems many gun rights folks support ICE in their actions of raiding homes to look for illegal aliens, maybe we should endorse the idea of ATF agents raiding homes to look for illegal guns. You're all good with that. Right?


Thoughts.

They already do that. So....what's your question?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

They already do that. So....what's your question?

Do they? Please provide some examples.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Since it seems many gun rights folks support ICE in their actions of raiding homes to look for illegal aliens, maybe we should endorse the idea of ATF agents raiding homes to look for illegal guns. You're all good with that. Right?

Thoughts.

Who supported this?

Are you speaking of your other thread where ICE asks to come in to the houses?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Since it seems many gun rights folks support ICE in their actions of raiding homes to look for illegal aliens, maybe we should endorse the idea of ATF agents raiding homes to look for illegal guns. You're all good with that. Right?


Thoughts.

Are you saying and suggesting that ICE agents just drive around and stop at random homes for illegall invader searches and you want ATF to do the same? Or are you saying that ICE receives information and acts one that information that sometimes ends in raids. Cause police do that now. There was just a story in last few days about a drug gun sting in Ny and VA.


Or is this a vent session where you say apples and oranges are exactly the same because they both grow on trees
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Are you saying and suggesting that ICE agents just drive around and stop at random homes for illegall invader searches and you want ATF to do the same? Or are you saying that ICE receives information and acts one that information that sometimes ends in raids. Cause police do that now. There was just a story in last few days about a drug gun sting in Ny and VA.


Or is this a vent session where you say apples and oranges are exactly the same because they both grow on trees

I'm asking if you gun folks are OK with the ATF going after illegal guns like ICE goes after illegal aliens. And, if not, why not?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Since it seems many gun rights folks support ICE in their actions of raiding homes to look for illegal aliens, maybe we should endorse the idea of ATF agents raiding homes to look for illegal guns. You're all good with that. Right?


Thoughts.

They have to have probable cause and they have to seek a warrant. It's the same as with any investigation. So what's the problem?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Who supported this?

Are you speaking of your other thread where ICE asks to come in to the houses?

Seems to me the gun folks here are A-OK with ICE policies to hunt down illegal aliens. So, I wonder if they would also be OK with the ATF using those same polices to pursue illegal guns.

It is a question that does warrant asking.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

They have to have probable cause and they have to seek a warrant. It's the same as with any investigation. So what's the problem?

ICE is rounding people up without warrants. So, then you're OK with the ATF grabbing guns in similar fashion. Correct?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

ICE is rounding people up without warrants. So, then you're OK with the ATF grabbing guns in similar fashion. Correct?

Sounds like a bogus claim. Evidence? Links?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Seems to me the gun folks here are A-OK with ICE policies to hunt down illegal aliens. So, I wonder if they would also be OK with the ATF using those same polices to pursue illegal guns.

It is a question that does warrant asking.

I ask again....

Who supported (in YOUR words) "raiding homes to look for illegal aliens"?

I ask again....

Are you speaking of your other thread where ICE asks to come in to the houses?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Since it seems many gun rights folks support ICE in their actions of raiding homes to look for illegal aliens, maybe we should endorse the idea of ATF agents raiding homes to look for illegal guns. You're all good with that. Right?


Thoughts.

Illegal weapons - yes, with a legal warrant. Legal weapons - no.

Pretty pathetic....
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Who supported this?

Are you speaking of your other thread where ICE asks to come in to the houses?

That's ALL this thread is about. Got his butt handed to him there, so he's now trying to cover his butt here....
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Illegal weapons - yes, with a legal warrant. Legal weapons - no.

Pretty pathetic....

Would you report someone who you knew had an illegal weapon to the ATF?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

I ask again....

Who supported (in YOUR words) "raiding homes to look for illegal aliens"?

I ask again....

Are you speaking of your other thread where ICE asks to come in to the houses?

Would you support the ATF going door to door "asking" to come in to search for illegal weapons?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Sounds like a bogus claim. Evidence? Links?

Ah, another one who apparently doesn't know.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speakeasy/we-dont-need-warrant-were-ice

Escobar and Jorge Sarmiento were in their beds in their small, two-bedroom apartment in the Clairmont complex in Nashville. Several roomates and friends were in other rooms. The doors and windows were all shut and locked. Suddenly there was a loud banging at the door and voices shouting "Police!" and "Policia!" When no one answered, the agents tried to force the door open. Scared, occupants hid. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents began hitting objects against the bedroom windows, trying to break in. Without a search warrant and without consent, the ICE agents eventually knocked in the front door and shattered a window, shouting racial slurs and storming into the bedrooms, holding guns to some people’s heads. When asked if they had a warrant, one agent reportedly said, "We don't need a warrant, we're ICE," and, gesturing to his genitals, "the warrant is coming out of my balls."
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

That's ALL this thread is about. Got his butt handed to him there, so he's now trying to cover his butt here....

More like I wanted to see if you all are consistent. I suspect you all will not be.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Would you support the ATF going door to door "asking" to come in to search for illegal weapons?

I ask again....

Who supported (in YOUR words) "raiding homes to look for illegal aliens"?

I ask again....

Are you speaking of your other thread where ICE asks to come in to the houses?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Would you support the ATF going door to door "asking" to come in to search for illegal weapons?

Did ICE come through your neighborhood door to door today? I'll bet they didn't.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

That's ALL this thread is about. Got his butt handed to him there, so he's now trying to cover his butt here....

You know, and I know.

Just seeing what kind of dodging will ensue after the blatant Strawman attempt.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

I ask again....

Who supported (in YOUR words) "raiding homes to look for illegal aliens"?

I ask again....

Are you speaking of your other thread where ICE asks to come in to the houses?

Would you defend your home if ATF kicked in the door at 3AM while you were asleep and started rummaging through it? Or would you just stand by and let them tear your house apart while they looked for illegal weapons?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Hey, would you guys support homicide detectives going from door to door looking for murderers? I sure do. And I know that's how homicide detectives spend their time because that has to be really effective.

That's why ICE and ATF randomly kick in doors and harass people. Just in case they might get lucky!
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Would you defend your home if ATF kicked in the door at 3AM while you were asleep and started rummaging through it? Or would you just stand by and let them tear your house apart while they looked for illegal weapons?

If an elephant was walking through your house at 3AM, would you go hide in the closet or go try to ride it all the way back to the zoo? Because real men like you and me would surely not put up with that ****.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Hey, would you guys support homicide detectives going from door to door looking for murderers? I sure do. And I know that's how homicide detectives spend their time because that has to be really effective.

That's why ICE and ATF randomly kick in doors and harass people. Just in case they might get lucky!

What if ATF hung out in gun forums to find out who bragged about their guns, and then they just kick in those doors. You know, kind of like how ICE figures out where Mexicans be at :roll:
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

If an elephant was walking through your house at 3AM, would you go hide in the closet or go try to ride it all the way back to the zoo? Because real men like you and me would surely not put up with that ****.

Are elephant steaks tasty?
 
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