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Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons[W:268]

Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Where did Faithful_Servant run off to? I need to know if he would rat out people if he knows they have illegal guns.

Better yet, I would like him to tell us he does know people with illegal guns but does not agree with the law so he will not rat them out. Then I would like him to explain how that is different from harboring or refusing to report to police a drug dealer or illegal alien.

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Hey, he was all gung ho to call cops on criminals. I just need to know where he draws the line and why.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Since it seems many gun rights folks support ICE in their actions of raiding homes to look for illegal aliens, maybe we should endorse the idea of ATF agents raiding homes to look for illegal guns. You're all good with that. Right?


Thoughts.
I'm not aware of warrantless searches carried out by ICE. Please provide the backround, with examples, of your claim.
 
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First, these are allegations made by defense lawyers based solely on the word of their clients who were arrested.

Second, the agents didn't enter the home, they returned LATER and encountered the girl OUTSIDE of the house. The person they were looking for was on an Order of Supervision which means she had been released from ICE custody on parole status, meaning the ICE agents can enter the house just as any parole officer.

Third, ICE released this statement: "Everyone detained “was the subject of a targeted enforcement action based upon a final order of removal issued by an immigration judge and the operation was conducted in accordance with ICE policy.”

You're not even reading the articles you're posting nor considering the sources of the allegations.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

From the article....

"detain people slated for deportation "

"everyone detained “was the subject of a targeted enforcement action based upon a final order of removal issued by an immigration judge and the operation was conducted in accordance with ICE policy.”"

Hmmmmmm

So, ATF lying and/or tricking people they suspect have illegal guns is OK with you then?
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

I'm not aware of warrantless searches carried out by ICE. Please provide the backround, with examples, of your claim.

We've been going in circles all day (also another thread he started with baseless accusations) and he won't post anything except that story from the ACLU attorneys. On the ACLU page, when I try to read the link to the attorney's complaint, it's a broken link.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

I'm not aware of warrantless searches carried out by ICE. Please provide the backround, with examples, of your claim.

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I doubt it, but you like ICE getting aggressive while you hate it when the ATF did it in 1993. Correct?

Nope. I had no problem with the ATF being aggressive. Obviously they should have planned it better, but I don't mind proactivity on their part
 
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So, ATF lying and/or tricking people they suspect have illegal guns is OK with you then?

Post the link where that happened.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

First, these are allegations made by defense lawyers based solely on the word of their clients who were arrested.

Second, the agents didn't enter the home, they returned LATER and encountered the girl OUTSIDE of the house. The person they were looking for was on an Order of Supervision which means she had been released from ICE custody on parole status, meaning the ICE agents can enter the house just as any parole officer.

Third, ICE released this statement: "Everyone detained “was the subject of a targeted enforcement action based upon a final order of removal issued by an immigration judge and the operation was conducted in accordance with ICE policy.”

You're not even reading the articles you're posting nor considering the sources of the allegations.

Are you OK with ATF agents who suspect someone has illegal weapons barging into their homes or lying and tricking people to let them in?
 
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Are you OK with ATF agents who suspect someone has illegal weapons barging into their homes or lying and tricking people to let them in?

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Why won't you all just admit that you don't care what ICE does to hunt down illegal aliens because you know it won't affect you, but you care a hell of a lot what ATF does to hunt down illegal guns because it does affect you?

Funny how the police state is just fine when it's not after you. :lol:
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

Why won't you all just admit that you don't care what ICE does to hunt down illegal aliens because you know it won't affect you, but you care a hell of a lot what ATF does to hunt down illegal guns because it does affect you?

Funny how the police state is just fine when it's not after you. :lol:

I've seen no where in this thread where any one has said anything matching what you just said.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

I've seen no where in this thread where any one has said anything matching what you just said.

Do you support ICE raids as currently being conducted?

Would you support raids of a similar nature by the ATF?
 
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We've been going in circles all day (also another thread he started with baseless accusations) and he won't post anything except that story from the ACLU attorneys. On the ACLU page, when I try to read the link to the attorney's complaint, it's a broken link.
The link works for me, which tells me you're encountering a browser error related to how the browser parces the link text. The most common error resulting in a broken link error message is the result of your browser adding "..." into a long hyperlink or URL.

Here is the 6 years old Obama administration era blog entry OP is basing his grievance on:

"We Don't Need a Warrant, We're ICE"

By Lindsay Kee, ACLU of Tennessee
OCTOBER 21, 2011 | 5:46 PM

On the night of October 20, 2010, Angel Escobar and Jorge Sarmiento were in their beds in their small, two-bedroom apartment in the Clairmont complex in Nashville. Several roomates and friends were in other rooms. The doors and windows were all shut and locked. Suddenly there was a loud banging at the door and voices shouting "Police!" and "Policia!" When no one answered, the agents tried to force the door open. Scared, occupants hid. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents began hitting objects against the bedroom windows, trying to break in. Without a search warrant and without consent, the ICE agents eventually knocked in the front door and shattered a window, shouting racial slurs and storming into the bedrooms, holding guns to some people’s heads. When asked if they had a warrant, one agent reportedly said, "We don't need a warrant, we're ICE," and, gesturing to his genitals, "the warrant is coming out of my balls."

The Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes and the Constitution's protections apply to both citizens and non-citizens alike. In the absence of a judicially authorized warrant, there must be voluntary and knowing consent; ICE officers forcing themselves into someone's home does not constitute consent.

The ACLU and ACLU of Tennessee this week filed a lawsuit in federal court on behalf of fifteen residents of the apartment complex who were subjected to this large-scale, warrantless raid by ICE agents and Metro Nashville police officers.

Among the plaintiffs are U.S. citizens, including a child detained and interrogated while playing soccer on the playground simply because of the color of his skin. Looking Latino and speaking Spanish is not enough to justify probable cause for questioning and arresting a person. Another plaintiff was carted away in handcuffs in front of his frightened and crying children.

Unfortunately, the Clairmont raid is not an isolated incident. As the Department of Homeland Security and its enforcement arm, ICE, expand their aggressive immigration enforcement policies, all too often the constitutional rights afforded to everyone living in the United States are violated. Even as ICE carries out its mission, it must act in accordance with the law and in a manner that is humane.

CORRECTION: A previous version of this post misidentified who was present in the bedroom when the raid began. It was Angel Escobar and Jorge Sarmiento. In addition the men whom ICE agents threatened with guns to their heads were Jesus Villalobos and Javier Deras, not Angel Enrique and Jesus Antonio.
 
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Do you support ICE raids as currently being conducted?

Would you support raids of a similar nature by the ATF?

Yes. ICE investigators and ATF investigators are bound by the same laws and act in the same manner when conducting investigations of guns and illegals. ICE conducts firearms investigations also and they handle them under the same laws and regulations as they do illegal aliens.
 
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The link works for me, which tells me you're encountering a browser error related to how the browser parces the link text. The most common error resulting in a broken link error message is the result of your browser adding "..." into a long hyperlink or URL.

Here is the 6 years old Obama administration era blog entry OP is basing his grievance on:
That's the ACLU press release. I was trying to link to the complaint that they are saying they submitted to the court.
 
Re: Time to Support Police Raiding Homes to Look for Illegal Weapons

I will tolerate ICE raids that are done with a warrant.
I will tolerate raids for illegal weapons that are done with a warrant.

I would not call ICE on an illegal immigrant neighbor if they weren't hurting anybody.
I would not call the ATF on a neighbor who had an illegal weapon, like an illegally converted fully automatic rifle, if they weren't hurting anybody.
 
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