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Having their cake and eating it too, Gun makes and the NRA stop rule about the crazie

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KevinKohler said:
You...uh...didn't read your link, did you?
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BM members don't care about facts and indeed, try to avoid them since facts tend to bitch-slap the anti gun idiocy away. The anti gun movement is based on dishonest motives, ignorance of reality and a disregard of facts
 
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TurtleDude said:
yes, if you actually respect the constitution, you believe the NRA is too willing to compromise with the Bannerhoid movement
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I don't see where the NRA has caved on anything in decades, but maybe I'm not sensitive enough. I think the ground on the 2nd A is being held pretty well, all things considered. The 4th amendment is being shredded, as if it wasn't already.
 
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Porkuloss said:
I don't see where the NRA has caved on anything in decades, but maybe I'm not sensitive enough. I think the ground on the 2nd A is being held pretty well, all things considered. The 4th amendment is being shredded, as if it wasn't already.
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Recently the NRA was colluding with government on registration and background checks. It only pulled back because Sandy Hook came up and the animators or metal and merchants of death demanded far more as did government now flush with supporters.

The NRA shows it colours by never opposing government directly. All it will do is collude collaborate and appease. The only action is fighting by proxy, the clean hands approach, send in the lawyers.

Upholding our 2A rights means the NRA should be fighting on every front not sitting back as gun control takes over California, Maryland..... sitting on their bum doing absolutely nothing of any consequence.

Firstly there is a grass roots movement the NRA should be leading advising and helping make their voice heard and telling other citizens why they are tossing away their safety by supporting gun control. You win by removing politicians support base and gain public sympathy by looking after public concerns. It is common cause no law can be passed without public support and lack of objection. The NRA first needs to teach firearm owners how to defend their rights and support them fully along with their rights.
 
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Chillfolks said:
Uuuuuummmmm. You do realise that even if Trump had made no changes the young woman in the story would of been allowed to purchase a gun under the stiffer Obama rules.
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What and spoil a good story with facts?
 
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Porkuloss said:
I don't see where the NRA has caved on anything in decades, but maybe I'm not sensitive enough. I think the ground on the 2nd A is being held pretty well, all things considered. The 4th amendment is being shredded, as if it wasn't already.
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The Hughes amendment was one of their big mistakes. They worried that the FAOPA would not be passed again if Reagan killed it due to the improperly attached poison pill by arch scumbag bill Hughes
 
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TurtleDude said:
The Hughes amendment was one of their big mistakes. They worried that the FAOPA would not be passed again if Reagan killed it due to the improperly attached poison pill by arch scumbag bill Hughes
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Fair point. I'm old and lived through it, but I'd forgotten that one.
 
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Porkuloss said:
Fair point. I'm old and lived through it, but I'd forgotten that one.
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I have had some tell me that the NRA was convinced that the courts would strike what was clearly both an unconstitutional ban and a poison pill that clearly didn't even pass but was ruled to have done so by one of the most corrupt POSs in the Congress but they miscalculated. Either way they screwed up big time

I suspect some of the NRA types figured the good of the FAOPA outweighed a ban that many of the NRA leaders didn't really care about anyway. The laws before the MV act were idiotic, when I was on the varsity Yale shooting team traveling to New Hampshire for the Eastern Regional Collegiate Skeet and Trap championships, my late coach had to contact the Mass. State police so we could legally drive through that idiotic state with expensive Perazzi, Browning or Winchester over and under shotguns. The MV FAOPA act got rid of that idiocy. Hughes had his nylons in a knot because NJ was infamous for arresting and heavily fining say people from PA driving through that cesspool with guns they legally owned in PA and which there were transporting to areas where they could legally have them as well
 
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Porkuloss said:
Fair point. I'm old and lived through it, but I'd forgotten that one.
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You may find this interesting.

https://www.infowars.com/democrats-republicans-and-nra-work-together-on-gun-confiscation/

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
March 12, 2013

Dianne Feinstein’s assault weapon ban now appears to be a little more than decoy sent out to be shot down while the real work on gun control legislation is hammered out by Democrats, Republicans and the NRA behind closed doors.

According to sources cited by Ammoland.com, the “NRA is cutting back room deals to centralize gun owner data collection into the Obama/Holder massive government data base.” Republicans are working with Democrats to pass legislation that will require records be kept on all gun sales and also move to streamline and improve the database.

Goodlette is also colluding with Virginia Republican Congressman Scott Rigell on his House version of Vermont Senator Pat Leahy’s S. 443, titled “The Forced Gun Owner Registration Act” by Ammoland.com.

If Leahey’s bill is enacted, Republicans and the NRA will claim they saved the Second Amendment by preventing Feinstein’s gun-grabbing bill from clearing the Senate.

History repeating itself exposes the NRA to be the toothless wonder it is.
 
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Crimefree said:
You may find this interesting.

https://www.infowars.com/democrats-republicans-and-nra-work-together-on-gun-confiscation/

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
March 12, 2013

Dianne Feinstein’s assault weapon ban now appears to be a little more than decoy sent out to be shot down while the real work on gun control legislation is hammered out by Democrats, Republicans and the NRA behind closed doors.

According to sources cited by Ammoland.com, the “NRA is cutting back room deals to centralize gun owner data collection into the Obama/Holder massive government data base.” Republicans are working with Democrats to pass legislation that will require records be kept on all gun sales and also move to streamline and improve the database.

Goodlette is also colluding with Virginia Republican Congressman Scott Rigell on his House version of Vermont Senator Pat Leahy’s S. 443, titled “The Forced Gun Owner Registration Act” by Ammoland.com.

If Leahey’s bill is enacted, Republicans and the NRA will claim they saved the Second Amendment by preventing Feinstein’s gun-grabbing bill from clearing the Senate.

History repeating itself exposes the NRA to be the toothless wonder it is.
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In all fairness, who would be stupid enough to give a bill that name.... progressive or otherwise. I have a hunch it is a piece to get us worked up.
 
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independentusa said:
Trump rolled back the rule that keeps those who have mental problems from getting weapons. The gun makers, the NRA and many gun owners have cheered the roll back. This gives them an out which allows them to have their cake and eat it too. Each time some person shoots up the place killing people, Gun makers, the NRA and gun owners yell it isn't the gun, it is because the person is crazy and we need to do something to keep the crazies form getting guns. Well Obama tried, but that would take away the ability to blame all such killings on the crazies and even limit gun sales. Neither a good thing for gun makers, the NRA or gun owners.
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Oh, get real.......it was to protect the gun rights of senior citizens who need help with finances.......not crazy people.

Are you really serious, or just trolling?
 
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Aberration said:
Infowars. The most reliable of sources. I don't read anything about forced registration.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/54/text


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Proof by innuendo a new one for me. Do others allow you to get away with such juvenile crap.

Did you check the SOURCE. No because you don't do things like that.

It claims behind closed doors so you look for confirmation in some published document. Good grief do you expect to be taken seriously. You are going to have to do a lot better than that.
 
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BretJ said:
In all fairness, who would be stupid enough to give a bill that name.... progressive or otherwise. I have a hunch it is a piece to get us worked up.
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Perhaps you should ask the NRA that question. It will not by far be the first time and I can't think of a reason Jones would want to make this up when the info was reported by AMMOLAND.
 
Crimefree said:
Proof by innuendo a new one for me. Do others allow you to get away with such juvenile crap.

Did you check the SOURCE. No because you don't do things like that.

It claims behind closed doors so you look for confirmation in some published document. Good grief do you expect to be taken seriously. You are going to have to do a lot better than that.
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Actually I did read it. It's an unsubstantiated claim. Do others allow you to get away with unsubstantiated claims?

I linked the actual bill they talked about. In which all modifications are provided. If it EVER had such things in it, it would be there.

I'll take the facts over some wild ass bull**** from infowars. You can continue to live in your delusions I guess.
 
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Rucker61 said:
You should read more. Trump rolled back the Social Security Administration rule that said "for anyone who is receiving SSID or SSI funds from the SSA and has a designate payee due to mental incompetency, and only those people in the entire US who fall under this description, that there names will be sent to NICS as a prohibited persons".

Very small subset of people; not "all mentally ill people". 18 USC 922(g) is still in place, which includes as prohibited persons anyone "...who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution". The main two problems with the SSA rule is that the list of people to be sent could include people who didn't meet the 19 USC 922(g), violating due process, and the Executive Branch can't create a new type of prohibited person - Congress would need to amend 18 USC 922(g).
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Stop telling the truth, it's confuses people (well, SOME people)...
 
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Porkuloss said:
I disagree. I'm a gun owner and a 2nd A supporter, but there are people with criminal records and mental problems that should preclude them from owning guns. Not everyone who owns guns is in ideological lock-step with the NRA.
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But the change that was referenced in the OP had NOTHING to do with that.
 
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Aberration said:
Actually I did read it. It's an unsubstantiated claim. Do others allow you to get away with unsubstantiated claims?

I linked the actual bill they talked about. In which all modifications are provided. If it EVER had such things in it, it would be there.

I'll take the facts over some wild ass bull**** from infowars. You can continue to live in your delusions I guess.
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See what I mean about checking. You base your whole idiotic diatribe on two things, both incorrect. The source is Ammoland and it says so clearly less than 10 line in. You lied when you said you read it and certainly did not check. Why would something discusses behind closed doors be made public? Give me one reason, just one.

Oh! make that three linking irrelevancy is not impressive at all. Anyone can do it.

Most people would feel like an idiot if they had made so many mistakes especially after being called on it. Life must suck when you do not bother to check.

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Porkuloss said:
I disagree. I'm a gun owner and a 2nd A supporter, but there are people with criminal records and mental problems that should preclude them from owning guns. Not everyone who owns guns is in ideological lock-step with the NRA.
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There are thousands of people just like you who go out and commit crimes. We don't know who they are but lets stop everyone from getting a gun. We can begin with you.

What is your problem that you must presume people guilty just because they have some problems? We have experts and an adequate system to do that. If it is not working properly a blanket restriction of a majority innocent people is just inhuman. But then gun control advocates are not short of that quality.

Not everyone who owns a gun is not willing to oppress others with known to fail patently false bad laws. They are known as gun control advocates no matter what they own. Filled with fears they "want" something done about gun owners.....
 
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Crimefree said:
There are thousands of people just like you who go out and commit crimes. We don't know who they are but lets stop everyone from getting a gun. We can begin with you.

What is your problem that you must presume people guilty just because they have some problems? We have experts and an adequate system to do that. If it is not working properly a blanket restriction of a majority innocent people is just inhuman. But then gun control advocates are not short of that quality.

Not everyone who owns a gun is not willing to oppress others with known to fail patently false bad laws. They are known as gun control advocates no matter what they own. Filled with fears they "want" something done about gun owners.....
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I'm not advocating a blanket restriction. Any revoking of an individual right (exemplified here by gun ownership) would need to be justified on an individual basis, and there should always be a right to appeal.
 
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independentusa said:
Trump rolled back the rule that keeps those who have mental problems from getting weapons. The gun makers, the NRA and many gun owners have cheered the roll back. This gives them an out which allows them to have their cake and eat it too. Each time some person shoots up the place killing people, Gun makers, the NRA and gun owners yell it isn't the gun, it is because the person is crazy and we need to do something to keep the crazies form getting guns. Well Obama tried, but that would take away the ability to blame all such killings on the crazies and even limit gun sales. Neither a good thing for gun makers, the NRA or gun owners.
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Lie. It is federal law that those with mental disabilities are not allowed to buy guns. A federal law passed by congress and signed by the President at the time that it was passed. And Trump was not that President. Trump cannot "roll back" a law.
 
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Porkuloss said:
I'm not advocating a blanket restriction. Any revoking of an individual right (exemplified here by gun ownership) would need to be justified on an individual basis, and there should always be a right to appeal.
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My apology you did not make that clear and there are all to many gun control advocates who claim to support the 2A. They will not say which version though but it is any version government decides it is as long as it harasses and reduces gun owners and prospective owners.
 
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independentusa said:
Trump rolled back the rule that keeps those who have mental problems from getting weapons. The gun makers, the NRA and many gun owners have cheered the roll back. This gives them an out which allows them to have their cake and eat it too. Each time some person shoots up the place killing people, Gun makers, the NRA and gun owners yell it isn't the gun, it is because the person is crazy and we need to do something to keep the crazies form getting guns. Well Obama tried, but that would take away the ability to blame all such killings on the crazies and even limit gun sales. Neither a good thing for gun makers, the NRA or gun owners.
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What evidence do you have that makes a legal purchase impossible that such a person cannot get guns, as many as they want?

I'm just checking to see if you thought this through or are simply parroting gun control out of fear.

Can you list all the ways a person can obtain a gun?

Can you show what mechanism comes into play if a legal gun is denied and these alternative means simply vanish.

Thanks I would appreciate.
 
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independentusa said:
Trump rolled back the rule that keeps those who have mental problems from getting weapons. The gun makers, the NRA and many gun owners have cheered the roll back. This gives them an out which allows them to have their cake and eat it too. Each time some person shoots up the place killing people, Gun makers, the NRA and gun owners yell it isn't the gun, it is because the person is crazy and we need to do something to keep the crazies form getting guns. Well Obama tried, but that would take away the ability to blame all such killings on the crazies and even limit gun sales. Neither a good thing for gun makers, the NRA or gun owners.
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There are people here who will definitely support the rights of crazy people to own guns. Convicted felons too. It's a rather entertaining thing to see, that there are no limits to what they will say regarding gun "rights."
 
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calamity said:
There are people here who will definitely support the rights of crazy people to own guns. Convicted felons too. It's a rather entertaining thing to see, that there are no limits to what they will say regarding gun "rights."
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At what point do "crazy" people not have the right to own firearms? At what point are "crazy" people dangerous to society?
What is "crazy"?
 
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