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For CCW holders-do you have a practice firearm in addition to your carry piece?

jet57 said:
Nobody's going to order me to give up my gun, and no I would not give it up. You guys live in a paranoid fantasy world that keeps people from taking you seriously.
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Given the recent 4th Circuit Court decision on the Maryland assault weapons ban, there are likely thousands of AR owners who did not register their guns by 1994 and will not willingly give them up. Does the state of Maryland have the legal power to order those gun owners to give them up?
 
I have always had many variations of the 22L for practice. I would still go through all the motions with the more expensive guns avoiding dry firing. Familiarization with guns in general will make you a better all around shooter. You never know when you may not have your gun but may pick up someone else's to save both your lives. I have had people hand me their gun in a situation because they were not comfortable with it. Luckily I have never needed a gun to save my life.

One friend handed me a 22 pistol when we encountered a black bear in the woods where we pick berries. This pistol had a 2" barrel and 22 shorts in it. All this would have done is create a very angry bear. Luckily the bear completely ignored us and continued to eat blueberries. We decided to not pick berries that day.

I think I am going to opt for these new air rifles and pistols in the future. Gun ranges are getting hard to find and I really don't feel safe around most of the people at them anymore. I hope to retire out in the country and set up my own range. Of course by then we might have lost out right to bear arms the way things are going.
 
blackjack50 said:
Right now? Nobody. But as long as cowards refused to stand up for their rights...it is an inevitability. There will come a point in time where the left will gain enough support. It is on us to keep that from happening.


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Actually...thats not true. Several states have indeed passed bans on weapons and are absolutely expecting their citizens to give up their guns. And if people like Diane Feinstein and others have their way, that process has only just begun.

Assault Weapons Ban summary - United States Senator for California

All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
157 specifically-named firearms (listed at the end of this page).

Anytime someone makes that ridiculous "they arent trying to ban guns...just SOME guns" or "they arent coming for your guns" argument, they kinda give themselves away as to what they are really all about. The ONLY reason they arent...yet...is because they cant.
 
blackjack50 said:
Really? So you are saying there are no democrats or democrat politicians who have an ultimate objective of banning firearms?


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So, you're saying that you are a member of alt-right and a nationalist super patriot Idaho Militia member ready to do war with the tyrannical US federal government.

I didn't know that.
 
Rucker61 said:
Given the recent 4th Circuit Court decision on the Maryland assault weapons ban, there are likely thousands of AR owners who did not register their guns by 1994 and will not willingly give them up. Does the state of Maryland have the legal power to order those gun owners to give them up?
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Dude; (chuckle) - that does not in any way even indicate a "big gummit confiscation". And the '94 ban didn't ask anyone - that I'm even aware of to give up what they had, nor were there any confiscations! It's block on future sales and manufacture in the US.
 
blackjack50 said:
Right now? Nobody. But as long as cowards refused to stand up for their rights...it is an inevitability. There will come a point in time where the left will gain enough support. It is on us to keep that from happening.


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I seriously doubt it. But, I guess everyone has to have a boogieman of some sort.
 
jet57 said:
Dude; (chuckle) - that does not in any way even indicate a "big gummit confiscation". And the '94 ban didn't ask anyone - that I'm even aware of to give up what they had, nor were there any confiscations! It's block on future sales and manufacture in the US.
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I'm not talking about the 94 ban; I'm talking about the Maryland ban just upheld. From the Senate bill:

"(3) A PERSON WHO LAWFULLY POSSESSED AN ASSAULT LONG
6 GUN OR A COPYCAT WEAPON BEFORE OCTOBER 1, 2013, AND WHO REGISTERS
7 THE ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON WITH THE SECRETARY OF
8 STATE POLICE BEFORE DECEMBER 1, 2013, MAY CONTINUE TO POSSESS THE
9 ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON.
10 4–304.
11 A law enforcement unit may seize as contraband and dispose of according to
12 regulation an assault [pistol] WEAPON transported, sold, transferred, purchased,
13 received, or possessed in violation of this subtitle.

If the firearm wasn't registered, it can be confiscated.
 
Rucker61 said:
I'm not talking about the 94 ban; I'm talking about the Maryland ban just upheld. From the Senate bill:

"(3) A PERSON WHO LAWFULLY POSSESSED AN ASSAULT LONG
6 GUN OR A COPYCAT WEAPON BEFORE OCTOBER 1, 2013, AND WHO REGISTERS
7 THE ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON WITH THE SECRETARY OF
8 STATE POLICE BEFORE DECEMBER 1, 2013, MAY CONTINUE TO POSSESS THE
9 ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON.
10 4–304.
11 A law enforcement unit may seize as contraband and dispose of according to
12 regulation an assault [pistol] WEAPON transported, sold, transferred, purchased,
13 received, or possessed in violation of this subtitle.

If the firearm wasn't registered, it can be confiscated.
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Again

(chuckle)

"Contraband" - used in crime or otherwise seized in illegal transfers. If your assault weapon winds up in police hands because it was stolen - and or sold and is used in a crime, they're gonna burn it. If your not responsible enough to keep, it then you deserve what you get.

There is NOTHING (take note of the word please) in that bill to indicate that "big gummit libruls" are going to march on your house and take your guns: you're deamin again.
 
jet57 said:
Again

(chuckle)

"Contraband" - used in crime or otherwise seized in illegal transfers. If your assault weapon winds up in police hands because it was stolen - and or sold and is used in a crime, they're gonna burn it. If your not responsible enough to keep, it then you deserve what you get.

There is NOTHING (take note of the word please) in that bill to indicate that "big gummit libruls" are going to march on your house and take your guns: you're deamin again.
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its too bad that if you are wrong, you won't pay any penalty
 
jet57 said:
Again

(chuckle)

"Contraband" - used in crime or otherwise seized in illegal transfers. If your assault weapon winds up in police hands because it was stolen - and or sold and is used in a crime, they're gonna burn it. If your not responsible enough to keep, it then you deserve what you get.

There is NOTHING (take note of the word please) in that bill to indicate that "big gummit libruls" are going to march on your house and take your guns: you're deamin again.
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You piss the wife off. The wife drops a dime on you. Your guns go bye bye.
 
Lutherf said:
You piss the wife off. The wife drops a dime on you. Your guns go bye bye.
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The Lautenberg amendment was a potent weapon for pissed off wives and girlfriends whose men were cops or soldiers or security guards. we saw several cases of contentious divorces where women claimed their husbands slapped them in order to try to get a DV misdemeanor conviction that would strip the man of his ability to hold his job. we had a couple cases when Cincinnati banned "assault weapons" of scorned girlfriends trying to rat out gun owners-the two cases brought were thrown out by judges who noted the law was of dubious validity (it was thrown out by the state legislature a few years later)
 
Lutherf said:
You piss the wife off. The wife drops a dime on you. Your guns go bye bye.
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No, there has to be physical evidence of a domestic, and there's more to it I think.
 
jet57 said:
No, there has to be physical evidence of a domestic, and there's more to it I think.
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he was talking about people who owned guns they didn't register-not about a domestic abuse charge.

In the fascist state of california, you can now be a criminal for failing to turn in the 15 round magazines that came with your DCM issued MI carbine you got from the federal government in 1975
 
jet57 said:
No, there has to be physical evidence of a domestic, and there's more to it I think.
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"Also, keep in mind that the abuse in domestic violence does not have to be physical. Abuse can be verbal (spoken), emotional, or psychological. You do not have to be physically hit to be abused. Often, abuse takes many forms, and abusers use a combination of tactics to control and have power over the person being abused. Read more about domestic violence and abuse. If you live in a tribal community in California and are experiencing domestic violence, click to get more information"

http://www.courts.ca.gov/selfhelp-domesticviolence.htm



Domestic Violence Restraining Order
You can ask for a domestic violence restraining order if:

Someone has abused you, and You have a close relationship with that person (married or registered domestic partners, divorced, separated, dating or used to date, have a child together, or live together or used to live together — but more than roommates), or you are closely related (parent, child, brother, sister, grandmother, grandfather, in-law).

Restraining Orders - abuse_selfhelp
 
Rucker61 said:
"Also, keep in mind that the abuse in domestic violence does not have to be physical. Abuse can be verbal (spoken), emotional, or psychological. You do not have to be physically hit to be abused. Often, abuse takes many forms, and abusers use a combination of tactics to control and have power over the person being abused. Read more about domestic violence and abuse. If you live in a tribal community in California and are experiencing domestic violence, click to get more information"

Domestic Violence - dv_abuse_selfhelp



Domestic Violence Restraining Order
You can ask for a domestic violence restraining order if:

Someone has abused you, and You have a close relationship with that person (married or registered domestic partners, divorced, separated, dating or used to date, have a child together, or live together or used to live together — but more than roommates), or you are closely related (parent, child, brother, sister, grandmother, grandfather, in-law).

Restraining Orders - abuse_selfhelp
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The abuse has to be of a violent nature. Dual restraining orders however can be issued in divorce courts. (That's in Calif.)

From your source:

Personal conduct orders

These are orders to stop specific acts against everyone named in the restraining order as a “protected person.” Some of the things that the restrained person can be ordered to stop are:

Contacting, calling, or sending any messages (including e-mail);
Attacking, striking, or battering;
Stalking;
Threatening;
Sexually assaulting;
Harassing;
Destroying personal property; or
Disturbing the peace of the protected people.
Stay-away orders
These are orders to keep the restrained person a certain distance away (like 50 or 100 yards) from:
The protected person or persons;
Where the protected person lives;
His or her place of work;
His or her children’s schools or places of child care;
His or her vehicle;
Other important places where he or she goes.

Just because someone complains, the cop aren't going to barge in and take your guns dude. Investigations have to be done to determine the factors and threat levels.
 
TurtleDude said:
I often carry a beretta 85 or 84 (one is a single stack, the other a double stack-other than that almost exactly the same): both are chambered in 380. While I reload 380 which cuts the cost down to about 11 dollars a 100, I also have a pair of Beretta 87s which are 22 caliber versions of those pistols. While the safety mechanism is not exactly the same (the 22 safety does not drop the hammer as does the safety on the 380's, they work the same in all the other ways), these RF pistols fit the same holster and allow cheaper practice (5 bucks for 100 rounds).

Back when I carried a Walther PP or PPK I had a 22 caliber version of the same pistol for the same reason. works perfectly for practicing draws from concealment and wiping off the safety and/or practicing the heavy first round double action trigger pull. Plus having a rimfire practice gun saves wear and tear on the carry piece
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No, when I go to range I bring all my guns and rotate amongst them.

I carry either my S&W 9 compact or Ruger Service Six .357 and I'm an ok shot with both.
 
Explaining Penal Code 243(e)(1) PC: California "Domestic Battery" laws

Under California's domestic battery law, Penal Code 243(e)(1) PC,1 the legal definition of domestic battery is any willful and unlawful touching that is harmful or offensive—and is committed against

the defendant's spouse or former spouse,
the defendant's cohabitant or former cohabitant,
the defendant's fiancé(e) or former fiancé(e),
a person with whom the defendant has or used to have a dating relationship, or
the father or mother of the defendant's child.2
A defendant can be convicted of domestic battery (sometimes known as “spousal battery”) even if the “victim” is not injured in any way. All that's required is that the defendant use “force” or “violence” against him/her.3

This distinguishes domestic battery from the related domestic violence offense of corporal injury on a spouse, cohabitant, or fellow parent—which requires that the victim suffer some form of physical injury.4

Examples

Here are some examples of behavior that could lead to criminal liability under PC 243(e)(1):

A woman pushes her boyfriend during a fight.
A man, feeling frustrated with his ex-wife, grabs her shirt and rips it.
A lesbian teenager is angry with her girlfriend for cheating on her; she pulls her girlfriend's hair and scratches her face.

"He pushed me". "He touched my breast"

Whose side are the authorities in California going to take? How many DA's are willing to run for re-election with a "soft on domestic violence" tag hanging on them?
 
jet57 said:
Nobody's going to order me to give up my gun, and no I would not give it up. You guys live in a paranoid fantasy world that keeps people from taking you seriously.
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And so said the citizens of Louisiana. However given the choice of five grunts with rifles up you nose telling to what's going to happen if you resist. I bet I know which choice you would make.
 
Crimefree said:
And so said the citizens of Louisiana. However given the choice of five grunts with rifles up you nose telling to what's going to happen if you resist. I bet I know which choice you would make.
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I've had Guns for a long time and I'm still looking for that Letter in mail that says I have to ... does anyone know what it looks like, I may have tossed it out by accident.
 
Cigar said:
I've had Guns for a long time and I'm still looking for that Letter in mail that says I have to ... does anyone know what it looks like, I may have tossed it out by accident.
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I guess you were ignorant of people not being able to own handguns in Chicago. I guess you are ignorant of semi auto rifle owners in NJ being told that their rifles were banned and they had to get rid of them. I guess you are ignorant of California where you can no longer possess a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.

Gun control tends to appeal to ignorant, stupid or dishonest people
 
Cigar said:
I've had Guns for a long time and I'm still looking for that Letter in mail that says I have to ... does anyone know what it looks like, I may have tossed it out by accident.
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I suggest you do not cross busy roads with that kind of thought.

Tell me what you would do with five grunts with rifles stuck in your nostril demanding you guns.

I've heard the military will never do that.
Cannot happen.
The people will rise up
And now it has not happened to me.

All equally idiotic. Fact is it has happened on many occasions. The military did not refuse the orders, the people did not rise up and the absolutely asinine it has not happened to me reminds me of people who will never defend their rights.

A Decade Later, Remember New Orleans … Gun Confiscation Can (and Has) Happened in America

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150821/a-decade-later-remember-new-orleans-gun-confiscation-can-and-has-happened-in-america

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Crimefree said:
I suggest you do not cross busy roads with that kind of thought.

Tell me what you would do with five grunts with rifles stuck in your nostril demanding you guns.

I've heard the military will never do that.
Cannot happen.
The people will rise up
And now it has not happened to me.

All equally idiotic. Fact is it has happened on many occasions. The military did not refuse the orders, the people did not rise up and the absolutely asinine it has not happened to me reminds me of people who will never defend their rights.

A Decade Later, Remember New Orleans … Gun Confiscation Can (and Has) Happened in America

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150821/a-decade-later-remember-new-orleans-gun-confiscation-can-and-has-happened-in-america

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I've been in and out of Chicago for most of my life ... grunts with rifles wouldn't last 5 minutes here.
 
Cigar said:
I've been in and out of Chicago for most of my life ... grunts with rifles wouldn't last 5 minutes here.
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The US Marines would clear Chicago like Fallujah.
 
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