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Concealed Carrier Stops Stabbing At Topeka Walmart

jet57 said:
We're not talking about cops here - you are. And an ABC News story on that incident says either a shot or ricochet was responsible as the cop was not trying to hit either but was trying to to scare the tiger Tiger Attacks Woman at Fund-Raiser - ABC News So your story as a comparison is getting weaker by the moment.

The fact is this - an idiot "law abiding citizen" almost killed a crime victim because said idiot should not have had a gun in the first place. THAT is my point, and not a'one of you in the gun crowd here can refute that. The fact that you divert as denial only shows how strong my point is to begin with.
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we keep hearing you complaining about Idiots carrying guns but what we NEVER See is any rational or logical suggestion from you on how you prevent that without preventing good people from carrying. Rather you suggest that no one should be able to carry

and using your idiotic suggestion, you would ban everyone from driving because plenty of people who get driving licenses end up doing something stupid

but what it all boils down to is that in California, you cannot get a permit to carry because that state is run by anti gun scum bags who don't issue carry permits to most people, and you want no one else to be able to carry either
 
jet57 said:
Nice try. I'm saying that CCW is stupid, not just on it's face, but when we see things like this poor woman and others getting shot we see why. CCW does include idiots and we see that that is very true. CCW - without just cause - causes idiots with guns to exist in America and innocent people get shot.

So trying to -once again - misrepresent (lie about) what I'm saying only shows how weak your position is.
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And again.. your position is not based on facts or logic.. please see my rebuttal above.
 
jet57 said:
Nice try. I'm saying that CCW is stupid, not just on it's face, but when we see things like this poor woman and others getting shot we see why. CCW does include idiots and we see that that is very true. CCW - without just cause - causes idiots with guns to exist in America and innocent people get shot.

So trying to -once again - misrepresent (lie about) what I'm saying only shows how weak your position is.
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sorry Jet-just cause means an arbitrary and capricious decision that Democrat assholes in office or in positions of power cannot be trusted with. That's why in NYC celebrity gun haters like Joan Rivers and the editor of the New York Times got carry permits but oft-robbed taxi drivers and convenience store clerks did not

we get the fact that people like you cannot meet the "just cause" standard and you are upset that most states have "shall issue" but that is not a proper grounds for your hatred of shall issue state laws
 
jaeger19 said:
Well.. that's because Jet.. your premise is the same as saying that because healthcare providers make mistakes (to the tune of 100,000 or so deaths a year.. far more than firearms), and you can find examples of such.. it necessarily means that we should outlaw healthcare providers from providing care.

And your premise is quite frankly silly.

Yes.. occasionally concealed carry citizens make mistakes.. no doubt. However, that ignores the other facts which is that statistically concealed weapons carriers are MORE LAW abiding than the general population.

That the number of instances of concealed carry that result in NO injuries or result in actual deterrence of crime and injury to another FAR and away outweigh the very few instances where a mistake happens.

Your hatred of firearms and those people that carry them is not based on logic or facts Jet.. its simply irrational fear.
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My premise is right on target and stupid deflections like yours only show it. I've posted several videos and stories that validate exactly what I'm saying. Equally stupid is this lie that I hate guns: guns are no good with people to pull the trigger right? So what am I really arguing against...
 
jaeger19 said:
And again.. your position is not based on facts or logic.. please see my rebuttal above.
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He's mad that in other states, you don't have to plead your case to a Democrat scum bag bureaucrat who might not believe that honest citizens can carry guns. He's a big fan of discretionary doling out of "rights"
 
jaeger19 said:
And again.. your position is not based on facts or logic.. please see my rebuttal above.
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Pictures and factual news is worth thousands of words dude.
 
jet57 said:
My premise is right on target and stupid deflections like yours only show it. I've posted several videos and stories that validate exactly what I'm saying. Equally stupid is this lie that I hate guns: guns are no good with people to pull the trigger right? So what am I really arguing against...
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Your stupid videos are just that -stupid. Its like trying to suspend everyone's drivers' license by showing a tape of a bad driving crashing a car. what you hate is that most citizens of the USA don't need to prove a need to carry which is what should be the case in a free country. and guess what-there is NO EVIDENCE that those who have permits under SHALL ISSUE or constitutional carry laws are any less safe than those under MAY ISSUE

and CCW carriers are safer than COPS so that destroys your entire moronic premise
 
jet57 said:
Pictures and factual news is worth thousands of words dude.
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not when one news story is provided to pretend it fits every case
 
jet57 said:
Nope. Cops are paid to carry guns and intervene in crime. Idiots with CCW are not. So your idiotic argument can't muster up.
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what Jet fails to understand and is afraid to debate me on, is that Cops are MORE LIKELY to shoot the wrong person than private citizens. Private Citizens are BETTER shots and SAFER than cops. SO the bit about being "paid" demonstrates two major failures in the pathetic logic exhibited in Jet's posts

1) that outsourcing personal safety is a stupid action in a free society

2) your life is more valuable to you than it is to someone merely paid to protect you.

think about it.
 
jet57 said:
My premise is right on target and stupid deflections like yours only show it. I've posted several videos and stories that validate exactly what I'm saying. Equally stupid is this lie that I hate guns: guns are no good with people to pull the trigger right? So what am I really arguing against...
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No Jet your premise is not right on target.

While concealed carry has gone up.. crime has gone down.. that statistic is fact
Concealed carry holders are more law abiding than the general public.. another fact.

The number of times a person carries concealed carry WITH NO incident.. or defends and protects another person or themselves is far far away more statistically prevalent than the few videos and stories you have posted.

that's again a fact.

Like I said.. I could post some stories of physicians making mistakes as well. But like concealed carry holders, the number of medical mistakes is statistically insignificant to the number of non incidents involving physicians.

Now.. you do hate firearms. On this issue you are like the fellow that says he doesn't hate minorities.. when he wants to see them all rounded up sent to Africa, or only have separate bathrooms and other facilities .. But he SAYS he doesn;t hate minorities. ..

We have your conversations and a plethora of them Jet.. that exposes your attitudes to firearms and the people that own them. So why when pressed.. you will SAY one thing (type it here).. the evidence of your bias is clear...
 
jaeger19 said:
No Jet your premise is not right on target.

While concealed carry has gone up.. crime has gone down.. that statistic is fact
Concealed carry holders are more law abiding than the general public.. another fact.

The number of times a person carries concealed carry WITH NO incident.. or defends and protects another person or themselves is far far away more statistically prevalent than the few videos and stories you have posted.

that's again a fact.

Like I said.. I could post some stories of physicians making mistakes as well. But like concealed carry holders, the number of medical mistakes is statistically insignificant to the number of non incidents involving physicians.

Now.. you do hate firearms. On this issue you are like the fellow that says he doesn't hate minorities.. when he wants to see them all rounded up sent to Africa, or only have separate bathrooms and other facilities .. But he SAYS he doesn;t hate minorities. ..

We have your conversations and a plethora of them Jet.. that exposes your attitudes to firearms and the people that own them. So why when pressed.. you will SAY one thing (type it here).. the evidence of your bias is clear...
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If you notice, he has never ever tried to rebut or deny my assertions as to why he spends so much time railing against people getting CCW permits in SHALL ISSUE states. The only explanation is that he is admitting my claims about his motivations are correct. And if you read all his silly attacks on CCW, its obvious I am correct. SO are you btw.
 
jaeger19 said:
No Jet your premise is not right on target.

While concealed carry has gone up.. crime has gone down.. that statistic is fact
Concealed carry holders are more law abiding than the general public.. another fact.

The number of times a person carries concealed carry WITH NO incident.. or defends and protects another person or themselves is far far away more statistically prevalent than the few videos and stories you have posted.

that's again a fact.

Like I said.. I could post some stories of physicians making mistakes as well. But like concealed carry holders, the number of medical mistakes is statistically insignificant to the number of non incidents involving physicians.

Now.. you do hate firearms. On this issue you are like the fellow that says he doesn't hate minorities.. when he wants to see them all rounded up sent to Africa, or only have separate bathrooms and other facilities .. But he SAYS he doesn;t hate minorities. ..

We have your conversations and a plethora of them Jet.. that exposes your attitudes to firearms and the people that own them. So why when pressed.. you will SAY one thing (type it here).. the evidence of your bias is clear...
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If crime is down, then why carry a gun at all? Seems really stupid now. And your continued denial just makes my factually based point stronger and stronger.
 
jet57 said:
Nice try. I'm saying that CCW is stupid, not just on it's face, but when we see things like this poor woman and others getting shot we see why. CCW does include idiots and we see that that is very true. CCW - without just cause - causes idiots with guns to exist in America and innocent people get shot.

So trying to -once again - misrepresent (lie about) what I'm saying only shows how weak your position is.
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So "just cause" makes people not idiots? So asking you to clarify what you said is misrepresentation....Yet showing an exception to the norm (woman being accidentally shot by CCW holder) the representing it as the norm is not misrepresentation....You certainly are a winner Jet.
 
jet57 said:
If crime is down, then why carry a gun at all? Seems really stupid now. And your continued denial just makes my factually based point stronger and stronger.
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If crime is down, why are you even worried about me carrying a firearm?
 
jet57 said:
Pictures and factual news is worth thousands of words dude.
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The fact you have a picture of Trump as your avatar speaks volumes as to where you come up with these ideas. You two think exactly alike. Base your overall opinion of a group on a very small subset. Very adult.
 
jet57 said:
There is nothing in that graphic that refutes my argument. So let's try and stay with my argument: and idiot with a gun shot a crime victim and ran away.
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Actually there is. Your argument is "concealed carry is bad because 1 person did something wrong." If we are going to start saying that it is defined by the actions of 1 person...then clearly if concealed carriers were a problem we would know. 3 million licenses in my state since 1987 and only 168 revocations due a crime with a firearm. Statistically speaking here...if we are basing it off of "1 person" then the numbers are with the good guys.

But you are willing to sacrifice your rights because 1 person did 1 bad thing. You believe we can't trust you because some dumbass did something done. I tell you what. You give up your guns first. Since you own them and since bad people have done bad things with guns.


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blackjack50 said:
But you are willing to sacrifice your rights because 1 person did 1 bad thing. You believe we can't trust you because some dumbass did something done. I tell you what. You give up your guns first. Since you own them and since bad people have done bad things with guns.
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Send them to my FFL USA Liberty Arms in Fort Collins, CO.
 
jet57 said:
Pictures and factual news is worth thousands of words dude.
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Really? We've done this before. I posted ten news items of good CCW events to your one bad one, told you I could easily keep it up indefinitely, and you declined to continue.


So by your logic if I can show one news story where one Muslim did a bad thing with a gun, I can justify banning all Muslims from owning guns....?? :lamo
 
Goshin said:
Really? We've done this before. I posted ten news items of good CCW events to your one bad one, told you I could easily keep it up indefinitely, and you declined to continue.


So by your logic if I can show one news story where one Muslim did a bad thing with a gun, I can justify banning all Muslims from owning guns....?? :lamo
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That is sound Jet logic....
 
jet57 said:
If crime is down, then why carry a gun at all? Seems really stupid now. And your continued denial just makes my factually based point stronger and stronger.
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Because as an American citizen it is our right to both keep and BEAR arms. Asking someone why they carry a gun is similar to asking why someone protests. It doesn't matter what they feel is the reason their actions are necessary, as an American citizen it is their right to do so.
 
Goshin said:
Really? We've done this before. I posted ten news items of good CCW events to your one bad one, told you I could easily keep it up indefinitely, and you declined to continue.


So by your logic if I can show one news story where one Muslim did a bad thing with a gun, I can justify banning all Muslims from owning guns....?? :lamo
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Lol. Gottem.

American rifleman/hunter every month


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Honestly, if the news story had been "Concealed Carrier Accidentally Kills Toddler While Trying to Stop Stabbing" it would not change gun views one way or another. These types of threads are anecdotal fodder to help solidify confirmation bias.
 
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