Chicago gun deaths-highest increase in many years

jet57 said:

And what weapon would be the functional equivalent? And why can't I have one?

ARs were made for instances like Orlando Bret. So were M16s. so were Thompsons, etc etc etc. That's the problem.

And it's you and the gun crowd that has the fetish, not me. You just gotta have your GI Joe stuff.

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jet57 said:

Yeah, I said it was the right thing to do at the right time. The assault weapons ban was also the right thing to do at the right time, and now's another right time for it. The other answer is - arm everybody for a shoot out? That surely won't help. If the death penalty didn't stop San Bernadino (remember, these guys are martyrs) and the Florida Airport or Columbine etc etc etc, then arming everybody won't help anything either: don't forget, there was an armed guard at the Florida night club shooting and HE got shot...:roll: So, where's the big brainstorm? You think that real crooks are going to care? They rob banks - with armed guards all the time. They rob armored cars with armed guards - that doesn't help either. Was Dodge City Kansas a safer place because everybody carried guns? Not hardly. Let's talk Chicago: do THOSE GUYS think that someone with a gun is going stop them from shooting who they want? Hell, they go after people with guns all the time. So no help there either.

You guys in the gun crowd are going to have to come to terms with the fact that more guns will only mean more guns and more chances of innocent people getting killed. This "preventing law abiding citizens from defending themselves" crap is just a political agenda talking point and doesn't even come close to a solution.

Yeah, you guys are going to have to start using your heads instead of letting your trigger fingers fibulate over this.

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blackjack50 said:

I don't think you fully understand the problem here. I'm not suggesting giving "everyone" guns. In fact. I don't want "everyone" to own a gun. Not everyone is responsible enough to do so. Most people are. And that is demonstrated by the overwhelming number of people who never have any issues with a firearm.

We DO have an issue. And it is so simple that it is transparent I guess. YOU keep demanding more gun control. We have reductions in murders. We have had shootings during the AWB and after and before. We still have downward trending murders.

Gun control wasn't working. But here are some fun facts: every shooter has had warning signs. Many have been on medications that have severe impacts on a person's thought process. They have also shown signs of anti social personality disorders. Then you have the prison population. 85% or so have an anti social personality disorder.

So you want me to "use my head," but it doesn't seem to me that you are using cold hard logic here. Just emotional reactions and doing exactly what your politicians are telling you to do. Specifically the ones that have a D next to their name. Odd huh?


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TurtleDude said:

If making the country safer was what these gun banners wanted truly, we wouldn't have crap like the Hughes Amendment which banned the sale of an entire class of weapons made after a certain date

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TurtleDude said:

If making the country safer was what these gun banners wanted truly, we wouldn't have crap like the Hughes Amendment which banned the sale of an entire class of weapons made after a certain date, that had, prior to that ban, not been used in any murders for 50 years. If Public safety was their real goal, they would be spending their time lobbying for tougher laws against those who text and drive.

One of these days, the average gun owner will figure out that crime control has nothing to do with the real motivations of the BM, and that is why supplying fact after fact after fact to the anti rights coalition about crime is worthless since their goal is to ban our guns, not stop criminals

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