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Must be my lying eyes . . . [W:48]

Absentglare said:
Clearly, context is relevant here.

"Nobody [HERE] is trying to ban all guns."

The reason that dishonest pro-gun advocates hear this so often is because they constantly reuse the same old strawman "you want to ban all guns".
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I think I can explain this easily/

Harshaw is well educated in the gun rights debate. He knows very well that there are many people who do want to ban guns-some guns, lots of guns or all guns. Yet, we constantly hear from anti gun advocates that "no one wants to ban your guns" which is both a lie and a ploy the incrementalist gun banners use to counter the charges we pro rights advocates assert that "sensible" or "reasonable" gun restrictions are steps towards more and more restrictions and ultimately a ban on some, many or all guns.

So Harshaw was lampooning and attacking the specious lies from anti gun activists when they claim NO ONE IS TRYING to ban your guns
 
Absentglare said:
Clearly, context is relevant here.

"Nobody [HERE] is trying to ban all guns."

The reason that dishonest pro-gun advocates hear this so often is because they constantly reuse the same old strawman "you want to ban all guns".
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lots of gun banners won't admit that at this point. DO you really believe that just because someone claims they don't want to ban all guns (but just a few) that they really are being honest?

around 1989 Sarah Brady told me and hundreds of others in Cincinnati, that all she wanted was a waiting period and she was helping Democrats in our city pass such a waiting period. SHE DENIED wanting any other restrictions. the waiting period passed and a year later she was back helping the same Democrats pass an idiotic (and later struck down) assault "weapon" ban. I asked her if she wanted a complete gun ban. She denied it. I said we know you are a liar because you said in your past appearance here all you wanted was a waiting period. She denied it. The councilman I used to work for had the clerk read back the record and it proved that was what she said. Its common with gun restrictionists to never admit their ultimate goals
 
Serenity said:
Hang on a minute. Here we have an OP for discussion where Harshaw has stated that he has been told "repeatedly and loudly that NOBODY! That is, NOBODY! Wants to ban guns." The Op then links to some hysterical and over the top article from 12 months ago that appears to have some pretty extreme views. Did you actually believe that nobody wants to ban guns before you were alerted to the article? Like seriously?
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It was sarcasm, Serenity. Everyone else seemed to understand just fine. :shrug:
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Adolf-Hitler-Gun-Control.jpg
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Is that really a Hitler quote?
Just that, I wonder how you'd disarm a nation's citizens previous to conquering it?
 
Absentglare said:
Clearly, context is relevant here.

"Nobody [HERE] is trying to ban all guns."

The reason that dishonest pro-gun advocates hear this so often is because they constantly reuse the same old strawman "you want to ban all guns".
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We don't find banning any guns acceptable, and banning some guns is certainly a goal of a lot of Antigun efforts.
 
Harshaw said:
Wow. You still don't get the point.

Oh, well.
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She gets the point just fine. Feigning ignorance must be an issued official marching order tactic for deflection, of late. And while some drones truly are ignorant, many are not, and I've noticed this tactic being deployed by libs more and more recently.
 
TurtleDude said:
I think I can explain this easily/

Harshaw is well educated in the gun rights debate. He knows very well that there are many people who do want to ban guns-some guns, lots of guns or all guns. Yet, we constantly hear from anti gun advocates that "no one wants to ban your guns" which is both a lie and a ploy the incrementalist gun banners use to counter the charges we pro rights advocates assert that "sensible" or "reasonable" gun restrictions are steps towards more and more restrictions and ultimately a ban on some, many or all guns.

So Harshaw was lampooning and attacking the specious lies from anti gun activists when they claim NO ONE IS TRYING to ban your guns
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Regarding the part I have underlined, yup, that has always been my impression in the past. Not a complete fan of the presentation in the OP as others obviously are, he's better than that and can form a decent debate without the hyperbole but hey that's just my opinion. :shrug:
 
Serenity said:
Regarding the part I have underlined, yup, that has always been my impression in the past. Not a complete fan of the presentation in the OP as others obviously are, he's better than that and can form a decent debate without the hyperbole but hey that's just my opinion. :shrug:
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I think you make a good point and I was trying to clean up what I believe he was trying to say-subject of course to him correcting my interpretation if I was wrong
 
Grand Mal said:
Damn, I wish people would stop posting memes and one-line bumper-stickers as if theyre arguments.
Say something, goddamnit. Don't just flash a shiny badge you found on the internet. This is a discussion forum, not a pic dump.
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I think what he was saying is attributable to the brave King of Sparta who held off the Persian hordes for days

Molon Labe
 
Grand Mal said:
Damn, I wish people would stop posting memes and one-line bumper-stickers as if theyre arguments.
Say something, goddamnit. Don't just flash a shiny badge you found on the internet. This is a discussion forum, not a pic dump.
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OK, my apologies. You DO make a good point.
I will say this....

This whole "gun control" thing has been knocked around for a very long time.
This is the first time i am seeing a national surge, though slow, to reverse a lot of bad laws about it.
I am seeing this backlash moving like a glacier...slow, but steady, and pushing all out of its way that tries to get in its way.

I am seeing more and more women owning a using guns, and more and more children rasied up in households where gun safety is foremost, but also GUN RIGHTS are also very important.

I am seeing the demographic of the typical gun owner changing, and changing for the good.

Even Obama signed into law a bill that gives citizens the right to carry guns in national parks for self defense.

It is a slow but steady glacial movement that will ensure our country has the ability to shoot back.

Be it an invading army, a terrorist attack, or a home invasion.

All recent efforts have been met with defeat. Even Chicago had to pay court costs & attorney's fees.

California and New York State are the only exceptions, but when you need a feces map to avoid stepping in human crap on the sidewalk, I leave them to themselves. You don't need such a map in Dallas or Cleveland.
 
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