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Businesses Banning guns in CC States...

Private businesses SHOULD be able to post a policy on not doing business with people REGARDLESS of their execution of constitutionally protected rights. I agree. Even though citizens are GUARANTEED the right to keep and bear arms, a private business has a right to not do business with them if they exercise their constitutional rights. A baker has a right to not cater a gay wedding. A florist...same deal. and those individuals should live with it and go somewhere else. Choice...damn right its great! We agree.

the commerce clause's expansion was what gave the federal government the "power" to say otherwise but I believe the first amendment right of assembly/association also carries with it a right not to associate

so I agree with you
 
the commerce clause's expansion was what gave the federal government the "power" to say otherwise but I believe the first amendment right of assembly/association also carries with it a right not to associate

so I agree with you

I think pretty much anyone with integrity would understand you can't support one without supporting the other.


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Last I looked I still have my guns and you still have wishes. Go pat yourself on the back and celebrate.

I have my guns too dude. You couldn't meet the challenge.
 
Yeah, and you just got beat by another one.

Your statement seems an awful lot like, " I stopped his fist with my face"...
 
Your statement seems an awful lot like, " I stopped his fist with my face"...

No... he brought up examples and when challenged on them, he ran, so...
 
I have my guns too dude. You couldn't meet the challenge.

so you say. I don't know what is worse-pretending to own guns to try to gain more credibility to support the bannerrhoid politicians of California or actually owning guns and hoping every other gun owner has to live under the same idiotic laws you people in california have allowed the politicians to pass
 
Does your right to carry trump my right to walk a street without worrying about gunfire?

You do not have such a right and you may not punish people because you think they might do something. Only inhuman oppressive people seek to do that.

Next time express yourself correctly and state facts. You are afraid of other people with guns because you think they might shoot you. You are responsible for controlling your fears. Please learn to do so and stop shifting the blame to others as your excuse or reason for demanding oppression of others.
 
If it's a private business they have every right to ban guns on their property.

They also have every right to make stupid decisions and bankrupt themselves. Carry anyway concealed, the best they can do is ask you to leave. I try not to put my life in danger just because I have to do business with an idiot that offers nothing in return for disarming me.
 
They also have every right to make stupid decisions and bankrupt themselves. Carry anyway concealed, the best they can do is ask you to leave. I try not to put my life in danger just because I have to do business with an idiot that offers nothing in return for disarming me.

Cool story, bro
 
It's THEIR constitutional right to not allow firearms on THEIR private property.

Actually, in some states such as mine, a business can ban guns from within their buildings, but the those legal to carry can carry and leave their firearm(s) in the vehicle. The reason for this that is someone carries for protection, the main reason eh, by not allowing an employee to carry while they are traveling means the business is violating their right to carry while not at work but in transit. Not to mention the last place I worked, which had this policy also had several Local LEO's on duty during all business hours. Seems to work ok, since we had a police presence to provide the level of security needed. So, was I and other CC holders happy with it, never heard anyone complain and it was never an issue for me to leave my firearm in the vehicle and I had a gun security cabinet built for just that purpose to lock up my guns so that a thief cannot access them with ease.
 
In SC, when we first got CWP permits, a lot of businesses posted against carry. A lot of carriers said they'd not patronize such places.

Now, very very few post against carry. I imagine the reasons are familiarity, and over time seeing that CWP is rarely ever a problem (and sometimes a benefit), and some revenue loss from posting have persuaded most to stop posting.


Not to mention large numbers of women getting CWPs these days, and women being the big shoppers for the most part probably contributed.

SC now has very specific rules about signage and how it must be posted, and if a biz doesn't conform to those stringent requirements it is not considered legally posted against CWP permit holders.


Personally I think that businesses that are normally open to the public should not be permitted to post against carry unless they put up metal detectors and armed guards to enforce it. If they fail to do so make them liable for any criminal harm patrons suffer while in their establishment or pkg lot.

What a ridiculous premise.

Business owners take the financial and personal risks to run the business, yet you want to tell them how to manage their property.

What a fascist approach that is.
 
What a ridiculous premise.

Business owners take the financial and personal risks to run the business, yet you want to tell them how to manage their property.

What a fascist approach that is.

Like making them wedding cakes with gay motifs?
 
What a ridiculous premise.

Business owners take the financial and personal risks to run the business, yet you want to tell them how to manage their property.

What a fascist approach that is.


I've already explained why it is a reasonable premise.


If you have a rotting floor in your biz, and I walk in and fall thru it, and you didn't take adequate safeguards to prevent same, you're liable for any harm I suffer.


Similarly, if you force me to disarm to enter your open-to-the-public biz without taking the necessary steps to ensure the criminal element (that doesn't obey signs) ACTUALLY disarms... and this pretty much requires metal detectors and armed guards... then if I suffer loss due to criminal activity that I might have prevented if I'd been armed, you should be liable.


It isn't fascist; it is leveling the field.
 
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I've already explained why it is a reasonable premise.


If you have a rotting floor in your biz, and I walk in and fall thru it, and you didn't take adequate safeguards to prevent same, you're liable for any harm I suffer.


Similarly, if you force me to disarm to enter your open-to-the-public biz without taking the necessary steps to ensure the criminal element (that doesn't obey signs) ACTUALLY disarms... and this pretty much requires metal detectors and armed guards... then if I suffer loss due to criminal activity that I might have prevented if I'd been armed, you should be liable.


It isn't fascist; it is leveling the field.

A business owner should be responsible for common sense maintenance.

They cannot, and have not, been held accountable for the actions of other people in their establishment.

Unless criminals start wearing obvious signs, your premise still holds no water.

Don't like the rules, don't shop there.
 
A business owner should be responsible for common sense maintenance.

They cannot, and have not, been held accountable for the actions of other people in their establishment.

Unless criminals start wearing obvious signs, your premise still holds no water.

Don't like the rules, don't shop there.



I don't, as much as possible. That still doesn't make it right. "Check your right to defend your life at the door" is a ****ed up policy.
 
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