Untraceable "Ghost Guns" On the rise in Florida

jimbo said:

There are a couple of flaws in your argument. First, any high school shop class student can produce a fairly accurate copy of a weapon. It's not about gunsmithing, it's about knowing the basics of operating a lathe and milling machine.

Second pretty poorly as far as accuracy and reliability are not necessarily a consideration for criminals. Criminal activity is typically a one off at close range situation. A three D printer, plans off the internet and a couple of hours time is all that is needed to produce a weapon suitable for criminal use.
3 D printers can be purchased for less than a thousand dollars at present.

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And there is the flaw in your argument. Knifes are more effective than guns at close range and people are much more likely to comply without struggle if an attacker has a knife than a gun.

So you don't need a thsound dollar machine to produce a hundred dollars object (another flawed argument) when you can by a knife for 20 dollars.

Re: Untraceable "Ghost Guns" On the rise in Florida

Luftwaffe said:

Her joke satirized those knaives you speak of, are you so dense as to have let that gone over your head?

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You should expend more brain power on reading the thread.

Crovax said:

And there is the flaw in your argument. Knifes are more effective than guns at close range and people are much more likely to comply without struggle if an attacker has a knife than a gun.

So you don't need a thsound dollar machine to produce a hundred dollars object (another flawed argument) when you can by a knife for 20 dollars.

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But we weren't talking about knives, were we? But no, very few 7 11's are held up with a knife. That's a little too close and personal.

Celebrity said:

I'm sharing this article I saw a couple days back because I found a quote from the manager to be quite sobering.

For those who aren't familiar with the ghost guns, it sounds like a real loophole.


And here's what the manager thinks about buyers using ghost guns for illegitimate reasons.


Obviously this was in reference to the "Joe the Plumber" moniker which was thrown around back in the 2008 election cycle. At first, I found it funny. The name is funny, and I have to say, the level of stupidity by making such a broad, unfounded claim is amusing. But why aren't terrorists builders? Don't they build bombs? If they build bombs, then they should certainly be able to build firearms. I don't suppose mechanical engineering is any harder than chemical engineering or physics engineering.

Untraceable "Ghost Guns" On the Rise in Florida

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Im ok with this. Plenty of honest citizens dont want the govt keeping track of the property they own. Its a privacy issue.

jimbo said:

But we weren't talking about knives, were we? But no, very few 7 11's are held up with a knife. That's a little too close and personal.

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Actually, a simple Google search show both happen rarely. If anything, I am seeing more at knifepoint. Mind you, this is a simple Google search so there could be more.

jimbo said:

But we weren't talking about knives, were we? But no, very few 7 11's are held up with a knife. That's a little too close and personal.

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what lots of people who really don't think a great deal about the issue at hand do is to not understand there are three main reasons why criminals use weapons

1) the most important one is to force compliance. i.e, a holdup or a rape. If the victim doesn't comply, he or she will be shot or stabbed or clubbed. In such uses, its the threat of force that is what is useful to the criminal. A concealable, often cheap firearm is preferred because (hopefully for the criminal) he won't have to use it. The weapon is not chosen based on how effective it is in a gun fight or killing but how convenient it is to carry and most victims really aren't going to say-hey I am willing to be shot by a 380 but not a 45.

2) Offensive use intended. Unlike a compliance weapon, in which actual firing is secondary, these weapons are chosen for their effectiveness in actually killing someone. This could be an assassin's sniper rifle or Garrote or a a gangbanger's drive by weapon. In most cases, the intended victim will most likely not see the weapon and thus intimidation has no role in its choice by the criminal

3) defensive use -this could be intimidation weapons, like armed thugs in a crack house to prevent someone ripping off the dealer or to make sure other gangs don't attack or to repel rival gangs or perhaps cops in some cases. These weapons have to be both intimidating so as to prevent attacks and effective against what will most likely be well armed violent opposition. Of course in some cases, normal self defense weapons like a concealable handgun or a knife will be carried by a criminal as well


from the above we can figure out that the type of weapon a criminal chooses depends on why he is arming himself. Its also why so few criminals actually choose large semi auto rifles or real assault rifles and prefer handguns, knives and some compact shotguns