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Gunsmiths vs Manufacturers

braindrain said:
So if a mechanic puts a lift kit and improves the suspension on a Jeep it is now able to do stuff it couldn't before. Is that mechanic now a manufacturer. Sorry but that is just idiotic.
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what is the jeep able to do after installing the lift kit that it could not do before?
 
braindrain said:
Speed shops make cars do things that they couldn't from the factory every single day. Not a single one is considered a car manufacturer. Your argument holds no water.
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what, can those cars now float as watercraft?
can they fly?
what can they do after the upgrade that the could not do before?
going faster is not something they could not do before
 
Gaius46 said:
Why? What purpose is served by treating a one man shop the same as Smith and Wesson?
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because the gunsmith is able to modify the weapon to make it do something the regulations prohibit
 
justabubba said:
because the gunsmith is able to modify the weapon to make it do something the regulations prohibit
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So is basically anyone..

A 2 year old could..
 
Orly? said:
So is basically anyone..

A 2 year old could..
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bet (s)he does not have a shingle open to the public saying he is a licensed gunsmith
 
justabubba said:
because the gunsmith is able to modify the weapon to make it do something the regulations prohibit
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And how does treating them as a manufacturer, with the cost and additional red tape that implies, reduce that possibility - or reduce it more effectively than simply making the modification illegal, which is presumably already is?
 
justabubba said:
bet (s)he does not have a shingle open to the public saying he is a licensed gunsmith
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So their is no such thing as a gunsmith because any person over 2 years old that customizes their gun in any way is a manufacturer?
 
justabubba said:
as a gunsmith, he has the potential to manufacture a gun
a manufacturer is an entity that causes an item to do something it could not do before without the added processing


by forcing them out of business you are indicating they refuse to be compliant



sure we should; and then proceed with the greater good that will result
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A simple machinist has the capacity to manufacture a firearm. Should he be required to pay the fee as well. After all, he has the ability to manufacture one even if he chooses not to. Wow...
 
justabubba said:
because the gunsmith is able to modify the weapon to make it do something the regulations prohibit
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You are just taking this position to get a rise out of folks aren't you....no way anyone could type this position with a straight face..
 
justabubba said:
because the gunsmith is able to modify the weapon to make it do something the regulations prohibit
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So is a manufacturer. What is this "greater good" that comes from this classification?
 
justabubba said:
what, can those cars now float as watercraft?
can they fly?
what can they do after the upgrade that the could not do before?
going faster is not something they could not do before
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Can a gun drive down the highway or crawl over rocks after being at a gunsmith.


What exactly do you think a gunsmith can do to a gun. Because a speed shop can change the function of a car way more then a gunsmith can change the function of a weapon.

Why does a mechanic have to completely change the function of a car to be a manufacturer but if a gunsmith threads a barrel to allow a muzzle break to be attached some how that's being a manufacturer.

It is a complete double standard and it's why your argument is crap.
 
justabubba said:
what is the jeep able to do after installing the lift kit that it could not do before?
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A lot more then a gun can do after a gunsmith gets gets done with a gun. Either you are just grasping at straws or you have no idea what a gunsmith actually does
 
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justabubba said:
because the gunsmith is able to modify the weapon to make it do something the regulations prohibit
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And speed shops do things to cars all the time so that they can do something that's against regulation. You really have no argument and are just making yourself look silly.
 
justabubba said:
your nephew, as a practicing gunsmith, has the capacity of a manufacturer. he is able to make an assembly do something more than it could prior to his application of processes upon it
thus, he should be regulated as a manufacturer
that this requires more expense to now become licensed is a legitimate cost of business, and one which could provide a barrier to competition, the latter of which offers him a business advantage
besides, he has family with money who could help him out while he gets launched
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that's just plain idiotic. that's like saying if you put bigger wheels on a truck you are a truck manufacturer. Your post suggests a desire to try to defend the idiocy of Obama but you don't really have much of an argument.
 
justabubba said:
because the gunsmith is able to modify the weapon to make it do something the regulations prohibit
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and how does a 2500 dollar license change that-you are just arguing for the sake of arguing without any rational position
 
justabubba said:
because the gunsmith is able to modify the weapon to make it do something the regulations prohibit
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None of the actions are prohibited by law - you just have to buy a more expensive license. This rule in no way adds to the "greater good".
 
TurtleDude said:
and how does a 2500 dollar license change that-you are just arguing for the sake of arguing without any rational position
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While I don't agree with Justabuba about much he at least usually makes rational posts. Clearly not the case her. Maybe Trump winning has effected him to much for that.
 
TurtleDude said:
One of my nephews, mid 20s, spent 10 years of his life hoping to be a custom gunsmith. Earned a degree in mechanical engineering, took additional classes in gunsmithing, invested in expensive tools only to see that career path ruined when Obama-through executive order (a suit is pending on this brought by the NRA-ILA)-made many gunsmiths who do custom work "manufacturers" rather than gunsmiths. This mean that a license that was a couple hundred bucks went to several thousand and the paperwork was idiotic. Forcing many such people out of the business.

HOpefully Trump overturns the Obama administration's many Eos on guns. Another one that we need to get rid of-some of our allies have lots of well taken care of MI Garand Rifles and MI carbines we sold them or gave them several decades ago.. These obsolete (militarily) but highly desired by collectors and shooters, were going to be reimported into the USA. But Obama, lying as usual-claimed that "he didn't want these weapons of war on our streets causing carnage" and through EO prevented that reimportation

our own government sold hundreds of thousands of these firearms to private citizens. and guess what-in 30 years as a prosecutor, I have never come across any evidence that a GARAND rifle was used in a murder in the USA. And while a few MI carbines might have been, its been rather rare.

that EO should be thrown out
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can't afford a golden gun.
 
Gaius46 said:
And how does treating them as a manufacturer, with the cost and additional red tape that implies, reduce that possibility - or reduce it more effectively than simply making the modification illegal, which is presumably already is?
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they know which manufacturers/gunsmiths to monitor

that person with gunsmith skills who does it on the side, without hanging a public shingle, can do the same work, and it is still illegal. however, being without a store front, he will be expected to have much less traffic. he will be more difficult to monitor, but having fewer customers, he will cause less havoc than the gunsmith open and advertising to the public
 
Fledermaus said:
Soda can and steel wool at the hands of a homeowner can make a firearm do what regulations disallow.

Is the homeowner now a manufacturer?
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technically, yes, if the device was made able to do something after the processing that it was unable to do before

and chances are good that the DIY person will get away with it. but being licensed and regulated, the gunsmith in the store front will have a more difficult time doing the same
 
BretJ said:
A simple machinist has the capacity to manufacture a firearm. Should he be required to pay the fee as well. After all, he has the ability to manufacture one even if he chooses not to. Wow...
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if he opens a store front as a gunsmith he will be required to
 
Rucker61 said:
So is a manufacturer. What is this "greater good" that comes from this classification?
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mitigating the likelihood that weapons will be modified to do things the law prohibits
 
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