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I Dispute This Commercial by the NRA

Bob N said:
Where in that video does Hillary Clinton state that a woman does not have the right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses?
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Australia does not allow possession of guns for self defence.
 
Bob N said:
Big difference between hog hunting and quoting someone, though, if you know what I mean.
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I understand your point completely, but you keep missing mine.

You will not be able to quote Hillary standing out in broad daylight saying she does not want women to defend themselves with a gun.
She will NEVER say that, and I have said that true statement to you about four (4) times now.

Do you understand it yet?

What you are looking for does not exist.

But her ACTIONS DO DEFINATELY support her attitude that she hates guns and does not want anyone, including women, to own them for self-protection.

There, this is four (4) different times I have said the very same thing.

Do you understand my point, and what I am trying to get across to you yet?

If you were hog hunting, I would say you would go home hungry if this is how you look for your pig. They are NOT going to stand out in the open, broadside to you and give you that perfect shot.

Just like a politician is NEVER (5th time) going to tell you what they really mean.

You have to look and read snippets of what they say and do to understand what they are planning to do.

Hillary hates guns and does not want anyone to have any of them, but she will NEVER SAY SO.

Get it yet?
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Watch the video?

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25 seconds of Hillary talking....and two and half minutes of twisting, misinterpreting, embellishing and flat out lying about what she said to fit the NRA narrative. I rate this ad...90% propaganda.
 
Moot said:
25 seconds of Hillary talking....and two and half minutes of twisting, misinterpreting, embellishing and flat out lying about what she said to fit the NRA narrative. I rate this ad...90% propaganda.
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25 seconds of hard proof by her own words.

Is the ad 100%........ I never said it was.

But when you use words like Hillary did in the video, you open yourself up to all kinds of flack, and deservingly so.

I don't expect you to agree Moot, given your history of blind obedience to the democrat agenda.
 
spud_meister said:
Australia does not allow possession of guns for self defence.
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We do. And I have never seen Hillary say that she would take away a woman's right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses.
 
Bob N said:
Luther: take note of that first paragraph and I quote it:



That's not necessarily Hillary Clinton; it's her advisers. Nontheless a interesting piece on gun safety worries on Heller. And not taking away a woman's right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses.
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You're splitting hairs. Her policy adviser said that she's opposed to the Heller decision. Either he's lying or she that's her stance.

WRT Heller, prior to that decision it was unlawful for a resident of DC to have a handgun in their own home and, therefore, illegal for them to defend themselves with a handgun.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
I understand your point completely, but you keep missing mine.

You will not be able to quote Hillary standing out in broad daylight saying she does not want women to defend themselves with a gun.
She will NEVER say that, and I have said that true statement to you about four (4) times now.

Do you understand it yet?

What you are looking for does not exist.

But her ACTIONS DO DEFINATELY support her attitude that she hates guns and does not want anyone, including women, to own them for self-protection.

There, this is four (4) different times I have said the very same thing.

Do you understand my point, and what I am trying to get across to you yet?

If you were hog hunting, I would say you would go home hungry if this is how you look for your pig. They are NOT going to stand out in the open, broadside to you and give you that perfect shot.

Just like a politician is NEVER (5th time) going to tell you what they really mean.

You have to look and read snippets of what they say and do to understand what they are planning to do.

Hillary hates guns and does not want anyone to have any of them, but she will NEVER SAY SO.

Get it yet?
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I don't know what to tell you. The NRA should have worded that ad differently. Nothing that you or me can do about that.
 
Fishking said:
The answer is that Hillary is a proven political chameleon who is smart enough not to say certain things that would be political suicide.

Hillary Clinton says she has 'both a public and a private position' on Wall Street: WikiLeaks - Washington Times
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Indeed.
I was about to ask if that was Hillary's public position for the consumption by the compliant and unaware public, or Hillary's private position for consumption by only those that pay her $250K for an hour speech.

My guess it's the former.
 
Bob N said:
I don't know what to tell you. The NRA should have worded that ad differently. Nothing that you or me can do about that.
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Agreed, they could have worded it better.

Now, can you agree I also have a point?

No matter what your leaning, a politician will hardly ever tell you their true intentions outright. (6th time)....and if you are looking for a black & white quote from them saying something clearly and unmistakable, then you have a long wait on your hands.

Better yet, ...never mind. I have said the same very truthful statement to you 6 times now and you have yet to acknowledge I am right with what I said.

Your mind is completely closed on this issue.

Another thing about hogs. I REFUSE to wrestle in the mud with them. It wastes my time and the hog likes it too much.
After six (6) times of saying the very same thing to you and finding you will STILL not acknowledge my point, I am done.

No need to reply. I only discuss things with those who also want to discuss things back with me, and not see only their point in the conversation. Completely ignoring the other person's point. This is you.

Bye.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
25 seconds of hard proof by her own words.

Is the ad 100%........ I never said it was.

But when you use words like Hillary did in the video, you open yourself up to all kinds of flack, and deservingly so.

I don't expect you to agree Moot, given your history of blind obedience to the democrat agenda.
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I don't know about blind obedience...but I do agree with a lot of the democrat platform, especially on economic, environmental and global warming issues...and of course women's rights. Oh yeah, and social security. There's just too many issues higher on my list of priorities than gun control. That said, I did notice that Clinton came out strong against guns in the beginning of her campaign...and my first thought was "what the hell is she thinking?" And then I thought, "well, that's awful brave to take on the NRA like that." But then throughout the rest of her campaign I really haven't heard her say much about gun control at all. But just judging from the way she worked both sides of the aisle when she was a senator suggests she's willing to compromise...and maybe even too much for the left wing's taste. I dunno, we'll see.
 
Moot said:
I don't know about blind obedience...but I do agree with a lot of the democrat platform, especially on economic, environmental and global warming issues...and of course women's rights. Oh yeah, and social security. There's just too many issues higher on my list of priorities than gun control. That said, I did notice that Clinton came out strong against guns in the beginning of her campaign...and my first thought was "what the hell is she thinking?" And then I thought, "well, that's awful brave to take on the NRA like that." But then throughout the rest of her campaign I really haven't heard her say much about gun control at all. But just judging from the way she worked both sides of the aisle when she was a senator suggests she's willing to compromise...and maybe even too much for the left wing's taste. I dunno, we'll see.
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Pretty objective response Moot, and I respect that. But a quick search on her remarks regarding the issue suggests that she wants much more control.
 
Bob N said:
Please watch this:



Where does Hillary Clinton state that a sane, law abiding woman does not have the right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses?
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It's not exactly a Willie Horton....its just raw lying...and bias confirmation.

Remember kids...drink Ovaltine...and don't forget to tell your friends that Hillary wants to takes your guns away...and be sure to tune in next week when we'll be talking about Bill Clinton's loooooooove child.
 
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Moot said:
It's not exactly a Willie Horton....its just raw lying...and bias confirmation.

Remember kids...drink Ovaltine...and don't forget to tell your friends that Hillary wants to takes your guns away...and be sure to tune in next week for....Bill Clinton's loooooooove child.
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I guess Ken Starr will find the love child, huh. :roll:
 
Moot said:
A poster a few posts above you just called Clinton a "wench" and a "lying bitch." No doubt that's just the tip of the ice burg for all the nasty, demeaning, derogatory names the gun rights people call her and anyone else who dares to favor any kind of gun regulations at all. The gun forum is a testament to that.
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Which is about 15 degree less of a big deal than the other terms as those types of labels get people fired.
 
Bob N said:
Please watch this:



Where does Hillary Clinton state that a sane, law abiding woman does not have the right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses?
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Why would Hillary want to reverse HELLER? that is a given.

Heller prevented government from banning honest Americans from owning a handgun in their own home. That is all that Heller stood for. SO why would Hillary want that ruling overturned?
 
Bob N said:
Nontheless, Sir, where does she state that unequivocally --what Kristi stated in that video?
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Your posts are dishonest and playing the same games that other anti gun liberals play. You pretend that unless Hillary comes out and says that she wants to ban all firearms in the USA, she is not anti gun.

Tell me-why does she want to overturn Heller
 
Bob N said:
Sorry. That is still no proof that Hillary would take away a woman's right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses.
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we don't buy your weasel words. Hillary supports laws that have banned honest citizens owning handguns. Hillary does not believe that there is a constitutional right for individuals to own handguns in their own home. Hillary also believes that your "right to own a gun" is based purely on what the government says you can own. In other words, Hillary believes that the federal government or your state government both can legitimately ban your ownership of any and all firearms.

You'r a gun banner Bob. why are you playing this silly game? One of the reasons why you support Hillary is because you hope she bans guns
 
Lutherf said:
Clinton is on record as opposing the Heller decision - Hillary Clinton Opposes Heller Gun Rights Ruling, Adviser Says - Bloomberg Politics

The essence of the Heller decision is that the keeping and bearing of arms is an individual right for lawful purposes such as self defense. If she's opposed to Heller then she must also be opposed to the right of people to defend themselves with firearms.
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exactly and I bet many of Hillary's biggest supporters didn't like Heller either
 
Moot said:
A poster a few posts above you just called Clinton a "wench" and a "lying bitch." No doubt that's just the tip of the ice burg for all the nasty, demeaning, derogatory names the gun rights people call her and anyone else who dares to favor any kind of gun regulations at all. The gun forum is a testament to that.
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that's because Hillary is one of the biggest POSs to ever run for office and her views on our gun rights is disgusting.
 
Moot said:
25 seconds of Hillary talking....and two and half minutes of twisting, misinterpreting, embellishing and flat out lying about what she said to fit the NRA narrative. I rate this ad...90% propaganda.
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I rate your post 100% nonsense. and I know far more about gun issues than either you or Hillary does.
 
Bob N said:
I don't know what to tell you. The NRA should have worded that ad differently. Nothing that you or me can do about that.
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Bob, I asked you several times-while you were still on this thread, why your beloved Hillary wants to overturn Heller? and you didn't respond. think that proves that we are right and Hillary does want to ban guns. Since lower courts have allowed some states or cities to maintain silly assault weapon bans despite Heller, its not as if Heller needs to be reversed in order for the Democrats to harass gun owners with crap like magazine limits or licensing requirements. So the only possible reason for wanting to overturn Heller is so she can push for a nation wide or state wide ban that was in place in DC

and your failure to address that proves you know that
 
Bob N said:
We do. And I have never seen Hillary say that she would take away a woman's right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses.
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She said she wants to emulate Australian style gun control. Australian style gun control banned guns for self defense.
 
Bob N said:
We do. And I have never seen Hillary say that she would take away a woman's right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses.
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You realize you are fooling nobody with your silly game of semantics, right? She has praised Australian style gun control. Australia does not allow possession of guns for self defense. What part of that are you having difficulty with? :doh
 
Bob N said:
Please watch this:

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Where does Hillary Clinton state that a sane, law abiding woman does not have the right to defend herself with a gun if she chooses?
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Its pretty obviously the womans opinion that Hillary supports an eventual ban on self defense firearms. And I agree.

1. she doesnt think the 2nd amendment is an individual right to own firearms
2. she once supported a special tax on firearms
3. she supports increased background checks (ie govt permission). keep in mind she lives in New York where the govt routinely will not allow you to carry a firearm, even if you are a sane, law abiding woman
4. she wants to punish gunmakers for the crimes of their customers

It all adds up and is consistent with liberal ideology.
 
OrphanSlug said:
There is nothing rational about the 2nd Amendment debate any longer, and the political realm of this subject is even more absurd.
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the problem is illustrated in the OP. Gun banners don't plainly state what they want because they know it would be political suicide for Hillary to come out and say stuff such as "no one has a right to keep a handgun for self defense. She realizes many Americans are not constitutionally aware so when she says "Heller should be reversed" or "The Australian laws are a good idea" the average Sheeple doesn't hear anything about gun bans

and her defenders, like Bob, will claim she hasn't called for gun bans.

But to those of us who understand those comments-be it pro rights activist such as me, or Bannerrhoid politicians like Diane Feinstein, its clear

It means she doesn't believe you have a constitutional right to keep a handgun or other commonly owned firearm in your home for self defense.
 
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