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    re: My Gun Control Plan [W:1271]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    But if you are an alcoholic with access to a gun it makes that outcome much more likely to be lethal



    Ditto ...



    Because guns make murder or suicide that much more likely to be successful be that via alcohol, depression or whatever other motivation the human condition is prey to . Thats a very 'rational' conclusion borne out by your numbers
    Except our numbers show it is a very, very small percentage; less than a fraction of 1%.

    You did not answer the question, why are you happy with the status quo? Your country determined a relative handful of deaths due to firearms was worthy of stripping away your freedom to own firearms for the most part. Yet those greater numbers of murders, rapes, family abuse and lives lost or tragically altered by alcohol are just a byproduct of you and the boys having a few drinks and a couple of laughs. Why is it all about personal responsibility for one but not the other?
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    re: My Gun Control Plan [W:1271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimefree View Post


    In less than 100 words state why guns are not tools and correctly categorise them. I bet you cannot.
    Even if guns were tools (and I'm not saying that they are), a gun and a tool are not synonymous. Some construction workers equip themselves with hammers and some farmers equip themselves with scythes. Legislators are granted power by those before them, all the way back to the framers, and by the people who elect them to write laws with a pen.

    What's the difference between a firearm and a tool? The gun control we are talking about does not include nail guns. There's one difference between two guns.

    I've noticed that gun control is a touchy subject. Imprudent posters actually believe that if the Constitution didn't grant the power to the federal government, then the federal government doesn't have that power. That's simply not true. However, we can make gun control a matter of state law and rely on the commerce clause, with that I have no problem whatsoever.

    Still, the Second Amendment does not preclude federal law relating to firearms, as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.
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    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    re: My Gun Control Plan [W:1271]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    You had 28,600 gun deaths in 2000 last year you had over 35,000.

    The numbers really are a bitch for you zealots
    not at all. gun crimes are going down. and we really don't care what foreigners think-especially those that live in bedwetting nations
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    Even if guns were tools (and I'm not saying that they are), a gun and a tool are not synonymous. Some construction workers equip themselves with hammers and some farmers equip themselves with scythes. Legislators are granted power by those before them, all the way back to the framers, and by the people who elect them to write laws with a pen.

    What's the difference between a firearm and a tool? The gun control we are talking about does not include nail guns. There's one difference between two guns.

    I've noticed that gun control is a touchy subject. Imprudent posters actually believe that if the Constitution didn't grant the power to the federal government, then the federal government doesn't have that power. That's simply not true. However, we can make gun control a matter of state law and rely on the commerce clause, with that I have no problem whatsoever.

    Still, the Second Amendment does not preclude federal law relating to firearms, as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.
    you are lying. the constitution never granted the federal government any such power. rather the supreme court ignored the meaning of the constitution, the bill of rights and ratified congressional power grabs that clearly violated the constitution . ONE OR FEWER GUNS-that is one of the most stupid comments I have ever seen on this board, and this board is full of people who clearly have no clue about constitutional theory.
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    re: My Gun Control Plan [W:1271]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are lying. the constitution never granted the federal government any such power. rather the supreme court ignored the meaning of the constitution, the bill of rights and ratified congressional power grabs that clearly violated the constitution . ONE OR FEWER GUNS-that is one of the most stupid comments I have ever seen on this board, and this board is full of people who clearly have no clue about constitutional theory.
    Can you cite a specific example of this "constitutional theory," or is this further argumentum ad lapidem?

    I am not lying, the Second Amendment gives the "people" the right to bear "arms," which means that any person has the right to bear a firearm, not two and not three. The only reason that you have the right to own more than one gun is not according to the Constitution but your unsubstantiated claim that the framers intended it to be that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    re: My Gun Control Plan [W:1271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    Can you cite a specific example of this "constitutional theory," or is this further argumentum ad lapidem?

    I am not lying, the Second Amendment gives the "people" the right to bear "arms," which means that any person has the right to bear a firearm, not two and not three. The only reason that you have the right to own more than one gun is not according to the Constitution but your unsubstantiated claim that the framers intended it to be that way.
    have you ever read Cruikshank? you seem to think that the government's power somehow increases based on what you own. that shows you have absolutely no understanding of the negative restriction that the second amendment was intended to create.

    remind me what section of the constitution actually empowers the federal government to regulate privately owned arms
    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    remind me what section of the constitution actually empowers the federal government to regulate privately owned arms
    Remind me of why a section of the Constitution is necessary to empower the government to regulate privately owned arms. Oh that's right, you can't, because Constitutional law is only a part of statutory law. An important part, but a lack of Constitutional law does not preclude enactment of statute in order to regulate privately owned arms.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    re: My Gun Control Plan [W:1271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    Remind me of why a section of the Constitution is necessary to empower the government to regulate privately owned arms. Oh that's right, you can't, because Constitutional law is only a part of statutory law. An important part, but a lack of Constitutional law does not preclude enactment of statute in order to regulate privately owned arms.
    OMG this is a winner. you not only don't understand the bill of rights, you seem to think that the federal government is a government of unlimited powers. NO wonder this country is going down the toilet-way too many citizens don't even understand the entire premise of the constitution-that the federal government is one of LIMITED powers
    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    re: My Gun Control Plan [W:1271]

    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    Can you cite a specific example of this "constitutional theory," or is this further argumentum ad lapidem?

    I am not lying, the Second Amendment gives the "people" the right to bear "arms," which means that any person has the right to bear a firearm, not two and not three. The only reason that you have the right to own more than one gun is not according to the Constitution but your unsubstantiated claim that the framers intended it to be that way.
    Arms is plural and did you miss that. While you look it up also look up the word infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Arms is plural and did you miss that. While you look it up also look up the word infringed.
    People is also plural and did you miss that? I'll wait, while you figure out how plural persons permits one firearm per person under the plural "arms."
    Last edited by Celebrity; 08-19-16 at 12:12 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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