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Man who tried to rob Waffle House with an AK-47 is shot by customer

jet57 said:
Ya'know, I posted one a while back of a chubby little gal doing the same thing.

You're upset because it doesn't advance your "gotta have gun!!" circular argument.
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Never said one has to have a gun. My position is that it can even the odds. Your position is that anyone who is not capable of defending themselves without a firearm is a martyr to your cause.
Survival of the fittest seems to be your ideal. Pretty lame.
 
jet57 said:
Nope, I don't need them at all. I own them because I want to.
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But you are stuck-up and so full of yourself that you can tell someone else what they cannot own. You own the very things you do not want others to own....
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Another reason to stay out of any Waffle House...a bunch of Bubbas and Jim Bobs armed with guns ready to rambo whenever any robbery situation presents itself.
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More drive by ignorance..
 
BretJ said:
Never said one has to have a gun. My position is that it can even the odds. Your position is that anyone who is not capable of defending themselves without a firearm is a martyr to your cause.
Survival of the fittest seems to be your ideal. Pretty lame.
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Well sure gun to gun can even the odds, the point is - one isn't necessary.

Your position is that anyone who is not capable of defending themselves without a firearm is a martyr to your cause.
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You're lying here. I never even implied such a thing neither do I have "a cause".

Lame dude.
 
jet57 said:
Well sure gun to gun can even the odds, the point is - one isn't necessary.



You're lying here. I never even implied such a thing neither do I have "a cause".

Lame dude.
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So a 120 pound woman should just accept being raped or strangled by a 220 pound man. You should accept being kicked to death by a group of thugs as a martyr to your gun prohibition cause. Do you deny a firearm in those cases would not at least offer you a fighting chance?
 
Gaius46 said:
To me fear for his wife seems a reasonable justification to follow the guy out - I would have done the same thing. But unless the wife was there and he was heading for her he might be on sketchy ground with calling out to the guy.
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Just committed a violent felony...why would it be shaky ground? Maybe in California or New York. Not in America though.
 
Lovebug said:
It really saddens me that life is so disposable. The robber, if he needed money desperately, may have had better luck selling his weapon instead of robbing people at gun point. He took a calculated risk.
I understand that the customer was concerned about his wife, but he called out the robber instead of just observing the situation. In my opinion, that was a bad move. His wife was not threatened at that point.
But.....we don't know the entire story.
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I understand that. But at some point you have to consider that the ROBBER considered human life disposable as well. He walked into a store with a long gun (because we don't know it was an ak47...as the media is not a good source on knowing what kind of weapon it was). He didn't care about those patrons or the employees. He endangered their lives. That isn't ok. And he doesn't just get to walk away from that, and he doesn't get to continue to point the gun at people.

The point of concealed carry legislation is that : we the people...do not have to be subjected to the reign of tyrants. He was a tyrant. His reign is over.
 
Lovebug said:
I understand that the customer was concerned about his wife, but he called out the robber instead of just observing the situation. In my opinion, that was a bad move. His wife was not threatened at that point.
But.....we don't know the entire story.
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Good points. Though as this situation ended well (though skill, dumb luck, or a combination of both) and the customer's intervention was somewhat justified, I don't think any action should be pursued against the customer. At the same time, I would make it very clear to him that none of the other customers wanted to lose their lives, or their wives in a wild fire fight because somebody might have been watching too many movies and concluded that the good guys never miss and that the bad guys always collapse when hit by bullets.



blackjack50 said:
Just committed a violent felony...why would it be shaky ground? Maybe in California or New York. Not in America though.
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The well being of the robber is not important at all. The well being of other customers, however is. The shooter says the he feared for his wife's safety and that is why he intervened. Unless proven dramatically otherwise, I would give him the benefit of the doubt. At the same time most Waffle Houses have large windows and are surrounded by busy roads. Both pistol rounds and AK-47 rounds might not always hit their intended targets. Not all armed interventions are going to follow movie scripts like this one did (either through skill, luck or both). In short, armed un needed armed interventions that don't end movie style can cost the lives of innocents. Thus, they don't need to be encouraged.
 
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blackjack50 said:
I understand that. But at some point you have to consider that the ROBBER considered human life disposable as well. He walked into a store with a long gun (because we don't know it was an ak47...as the media is not a good source on knowing what kind of weapon it was). He didn't care about those patrons or the employees. He endangered their lives. That isn't ok. And he doesn't just get to walk away from that, and he doesn't get to continue to point the gun at people.

The point of concealed carry legislation is that : we the people...do not have to be subjected to the reign of tyrants. He was a tyrant. His reign is over.
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indeed...........
Lovebug said:
It really saddens me that life is so disposable. The robber, if he needed money desperately, may have had better luck selling his weapon instead of robbing people at gun point. He took a calculated risk.
I understand that the customer was concerned about his wife, but he called out the robber instead of just observing the situation. In my opinion, that was a bad move. His wife was not threatened at that point.
But.....we don't know the entire story.
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blackjack50 said:
Just committed a violent felony...why would it be shaky ground? Maybe in California or New York. Not in America though.
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The violent felony was over and most self defense laws that I know of kind of need you to be in fear for your life, or someone elses, to kick in. I said he's probably on shaky ground because to me it would depend on the circumstances. Was his wife in the parking lot? Was someone else? If the parking lot was empty and he calls out to the guy I'm having a hard time seeing how that's self defense.

btw - NY's self defense laws, while not as liberal as Florida's, aren't overly restrictive. In public we have a duty to retreat - like much of the rest of country - if it can be done safely. We don't have a duty to retreat within our homes.
 
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Someone tried to kill me at a Waffle House, it was the cook.The man tried a citizens arrest, ended up having to kill the perpetrator.I am all for arresting people who open carry rifles and shotguns outside of a hunting context. Fish and Game has no scheduled hunting season for humans.This village idiot needed to be stopped, and he was.
 
Just so that everyone knows: Waffle House is anti concealed carry. And anti gun. Don't know if y'all were aware of that. Pretty ironic.


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I've never personally wanted a carry permit or a gun more than I have this year - thanks Obama.
 
blackjack50 said:
Just so that everyone knows: Waffle House is anti concealed carry. And anti gun. Don't know if y'all were aware of that. Pretty ironic.


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In the state of Florida, it does not matter. They can only ask you to leave if they somehow determine you are carrying. "No firearms" policies have no force of law here. I will carry concealed with no concern in Waffle House.
 
BretJ said:
In the state of Florida, it does not matter. They can only ask you to leave if they somehow determine you are carrying. "No firearms" policies have no force of law here. I will carry concealed with no concern in Waffle House.
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Oh, I know. Lol. I'm a Florida carrier. As far as I am concerned though, if you aren't checking my hips...you aren't concerned about concealed carriers. Just open carrying of firearms ;)

But I just don't go to Waffle House now. I'd rather got to ihop or huddle house anyway.
 
Winchester said:
I recently got my first .223 rifle. I was actually kinda surprised how tiny the cartridges are compared to what I'm used to, even compared to my .243.
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The .243 is more or less a necked down .308 cartridge which gives you a lot more choices for the bullets you can use. You can jam a 75gr bullet into a .223 case but you lose muzzle velocity and therefore lose energy at range. Since you can pack a bigger charge in the .243 cartridge you'll get better velocity with a heavier round and a LOT more energy at range.
 
Lutherf said:
The .243 is more or less a necked down .308 cartridge which gives you a lot more choices for the bullets you can use. You can jam a 75gr bullet into a .223 case but you lose muzzle velocity and therefore lose energy at range. Since you can pack a bigger charge in the .243 cartridge you'll get better velocity with a heavier round and a LOT more energy at range.
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Oh I know, I reload for the .243, it was the caliber I started the kids out on for deer/antelope hunting. I don't know what I was expecting but I was use to shooting a 30.06 out of my Garand and I've shot plenty of .308s, I was just kinda surprised the "military" caliber had shrunk so much.

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